EPTOn July 27 2011 03:41 r33k wrote:
Ashe soft counters mordekaiser
Ashe soft counters mordekaiser
I'd really like to know how.
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If you are making an assertion, please use the format from the OP. Champion we're analyzing Counters ~ Reasons It'll be easier to read and we can tell the difference between someone making a statement and someone asking a question. Providing reasoning/evidence is important. It's borderline pointless to just say "X counters Y". You're not explaining your stance at all. What skills are you using, how are you laning/positioning yourself, etc? This thread should encourage all of you in LiquidParty to occasionally host some practice games and try out specific solo matchups. Then come back and report your findings. We can have players of various skill levels try out the matchups to get a better understanding. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
I'd really like to know how. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
He pushes the wave, as he walks back you autoattack him with slow and get him low. Heimer is pretty good vs Vayne if he's laning with a babysitter like taric or janna. Both his rockets and his grenade punish any sort of aggression. | ||
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
On July 27 2011 03:45 HyperionDreamer wrote: Yeah, they still give +12 on kill. Orianna kind of destroys most ranged AD mids like ashe/cait, but good players don't put ranged AD in mid like idiots do at my elo. what elo do you consider mid? I play at what I consider mid elo (<1200 = low, to gold = mid and gold + plat = high) and I havent seen a ranged AD mid in a long time. Im on US server fwiw. btw I have to know, does cassiopea counter jarvan iv? I find this THE most frustrating matchup in the world. it's the only time I ever feel at risk trying to kill creeps with jarvan. or maybe Im just turrible | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On July 27 2011 04:00 red_b wrote: what elo do you consider mid? I play at what I consider mid elo (<1200 = low, to gold = mid and gold + plat = high) and I havent seen a ranged AD mid in a long time. Im on US server fwiw. btw I have to know, does cassiopea counter jarvan iv? I find this THE most frustrating matchup in the world. it's the only time I ever feel at risk trying to kill creeps with jarvan. or maybe Im just turrible When I say mids I meant AD characters in the mid lane, not at mid ELO. People still do that at my elo, since 99% of people don't know anything. My elo is 1150 right now, dipped below bronze today cause I ended up raging at a bunch of scrubs and making them ragequit. | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
On July 27 2011 03:11 r33k wrote: Jarvan is hardcountered by brand and garen. Yi is hardcountered by mordekaiser. Teemo/Singed counter jax. Cho counters malz and WW. How does Cho counter Malz? Malz is just going to farm 24/7 and can easily push the wave before Cho can reliably insta clear it. What is Cho going to do? It's not like you're just going to eat a Rupture or get in range of Scream when you can farm from long range. Can we please stick to NeoIllusions' format? People throwing around "X counters Y" doesn't really mean anything. At the very least, give a slightly detailed explanation on how the lane is supposed to go and why, so that we can start a useful discussion. | ||
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Tadzio
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Craton
United States17261 Posts
On July 27 2011 03:41 r33k wrote: Ashe soft counters mordekaiser, rammus also good against malz/ww. Do malz creeps even give gold anymore? ?? I would shit on rammus so hard as malz. | ||
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Sae
United Kingdom74 Posts
On July 27 2011 03:45 HyperionDreamer wrote: Yeah, they still give +12 on kill. Orianna kind of destroys most ranged AD mids like ashe/cait, but good players don't put ranged AD in mid like idiots do at my elo. Good players don't do what everybody else does just because other people do it then rage at others for not doing what everyone else does. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
I wasn't referring to lanes. Who the fuck solo lanes rammus to begin with. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 27 2011 04:56 r33k wrote: I wasn't referring to lanes. Who the fuck solo lanes rammus to begin with. then don't put it in this thread. this is a laning counterpick thread. read the OP | ||
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Tadzio
3340 Posts
On July 27 2011 04:34 Mogwai wrote: Maokai is definitely not mana efficient enough to beat Lanewick IMHO, though I haven't played the matchup. He probably does really well if he gets ganks because he's so boss at supporting ganks, but I don't see how he could succeed 1v1 vs. Lanewick's sustainability. That's what I thought, too! I kept waiting for him to run outta mana (tbh I'm not sure where his mana was coming from. I didn't pay attention to his summoners... maybe he had clarity), and kept thinking my Q is keeping me alive. But his EW hit much harder than my Q and he was the one shrugging off my damage. Maybe if I'd rushed null-magic mantle and never Q'd creeps so his passive would be less effective? All I know is that my "I'mma rely on WW's sustainability!!!" ended with me 0-2-0 at top with my turret down and me cursing myself for buying Philostone before Chalice. My team wasn't too pleased either, lol. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:05 Tadzio wrote: That's what I thought, too! I kept waiting for him to run outta mana (tbh I'm not sure where his mana was coming from. I didn't pay attention to his summoners... maybe he had clarity), and kept thinking my Q is keeping me alive. But his EW hit much harder than my Q and he was the one shrugging off my damage. Maybe if I'd rushed null-magic mantle and never Q'd creeps so his passive would be less effective? All I know is that my "I'mma rely on WW's sustainability!!!" ended with me 0-2-0 at top with my turret down and me cursing myself for buying Philostone before Chalice. My team wasn't too pleased either, lol. I know that when I play Yorick v. Maokai, Maokai is one of the very few champs I can't completely boss around in lane. The reason is simply because of dat passive. 7% max hp heal is just so goddam strong when it's up pretty much 99% of the time. I have a feeling that's probably the same deal with WW v. Maokai. Every time WW Q's you, Mao can retaliate with EW, that's 3 stacks right there. This means the majority of exchanges will proc Mao's passive and he'll just heal up in tandem with WW. Of course, you'll need the mp/5 as Mao to keep up, but I'm guessing if you run lots of mp/5 runes and stack 2-3 Dorans you should be able to do pretty well... | ||
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Sermokala
United States14038 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On July 27 2011 04:00 r33k wrote: He pushes the wave, as he walks back you autoattack him with slow and get him low. He pushes the wave, you autoattack him 3 times just to break his shield. During that time you have 6 minions attacking you for well over 100 damage, and at this point Morde just turns around and unloads all his spells that are now off cooldown. His AoE has enough range to hit Ashe even when she is kiting perfectly. There's no way you're gonna beat a Morde like that. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On July 27 2011 02:44 Haemonculus wrote: Not sure if this is a real counter, but I've gotten my ass completely handed to me as cass by sololane yi. You go up to Q them. They alpha, (so your thingy misses), alpha hits you for like a million damage, then he trollfaces away and maybe you land one E in his back as he backs up a tidbit. Repeat twice or 3 times and you've got to b or he can go for the kill. But yi's such a strange hero that he's probably not ever worth banning. If you take an early level in W you can drop that after he comes out of alpha, then chase him with Es and Q once it comes off cd. I haven't played vs a Yi though (but I do a similar thing vs Jax), so if he beats you before level 4 you probably have to not use Q to harass and save it to punish alpha. It should be pretty easy to land since it shows where he's going to pop out. After 6 if he tries that I think you can just ult and kill him, since I believe (not sure) Yi comes out of alpha facing his target. | ||
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unsoundlogic
United States391 Posts
Hard countered by: Maokai. His passive negates any harass you attempt and he can harass you back freely while shrugging off any damage with the passive. The best you can really do is wait til you see his passive is up and spam skills until he hits something. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
So, I'm asking: which common solo top champ hard counters Maokai and why? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:50 r.Evo wrote: Hmm... you guys make me re-think that tree... So, I'm asking: which common solo top champ hard counters Maokai and why? Probably Teemo. He doesn't spam spells, so he won't power Mao's passive. His autoattack harass can start at lvl 1 and attempt to gain a large edge immediately. The only weakness I can see is the fact that he's so damn squishy. If Mao can land several E+Ws Teemo's pretty much dead. So I guess it'd be more of a soft counter than anything, and it'll really depend on runing and player skill. | ||
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