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If you are making an assertion, please use the format from the OP.

Champion we're analyzing
Counters
~ Reasons

It'll be easier to read and we can tell the difference between someone making a statement and someone asking a question.

Providing reasoning/evidence is important. It's borderline pointless to just say "X counters Y". You're not explaining your stance at all. What skills are you using, how are you laning/positioning yourself, etc?


This thread should encourage all of you in LiquidParty to occasionally host some practice games and try out specific solo matchups. Then come back and report your findings. We can have players of various skill levels try out the matchups to get a better understanding.
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 01:42:36
July 28 2011 01:16 GMT
#101

Yep. Wrong thread. Frustration made me do it.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 28 2011 01:26 GMT
#102
On July 28 2011 10:16 Aurdon wrote:
own3d.tv is such a piece of shit. I really hate that the general LoL community has adopted it for their streaming purposes.


Wrong thread?
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
July 28 2011 08:53 GMT
#103
On July 28 2011 05:25 Prisoner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 02:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
False. Boots first morde with 3 pots will destroy virtually anyone without innate sustain. Even if you do cut the shield the damage you have to take as he stands in a creep wave with his shield up and e-ing you whenever its up is WAY more than you can do to him. Especially since he can sustain with pots. And it only gets worse as he levels since morde gains defensive stats faster than you can gain offensive ones.


Wait you stand near your creeps when your laning vs morde? Yeah that would lead to morde raping anyone . I always stand far enough behind or to the side of them so I don't take the constant E spam.

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On July 28 2011 03:57 Sponkz wrote:
On July 28 2011 02:45 Prisoner wrote:
On July 28 2011 01:58 Sponkz wrote:
On July 28 2011 01:35 Yttrasil wrote:
Possibly also Garen though I cannot really explain why.


Garen is a hard counter to everything but Jarvan, we all know that.


Is Jarvan the best counter for him can you list some more? I have had hella problems laning against him lately. Or at least explain how to counter him with Jarvan.



Well Garen is the leader of the Demacian Millitary thus making him invurnable to deaths against everyone except Jarvan IV, as he is the Demacian king's son. Makes sense right?

So there is no hard counter for Garen then?


Jarvan is a hard counter to Garen?
hi
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
July 28 2011 10:29 GMT
#104
Trolling aside garen tends to beat most melees because his base burst damage is obscene and unless you can trade even with him he can keep doing it. Most ranged can kill him, though.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
July 28 2011 11:14 GMT
#105
He beats many AP carries aswell, if they're running Double AP.
hi
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
July 28 2011 15:07 GMT
#106
In a duolane Janna works nicely
FADC
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 28 2011 16:46 GMT
#107
On July 29 2011 00:07 rwrzr wrote:
In a duolane Janna works nicely

As long as the lane doesn't get denied or outfarmed, but she's the weakest botlane support imho
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clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
July 28 2011 17:05 GMT
#108
On July 29 2011 01:46 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 00:07 rwrzr wrote:
In a duolane Janna works nicely

As long as the lane doesn't get denied or outfarmed, but she's the weakest botlane support imho


I think this highly depends on what you lane with and against her. If your opponents have a healing reduction (mf, trist) then janna suddenly becomes super interesting. Also if you have AD scalings on your carry like ashe/cait.
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Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
July 28 2011 19:16 GMT
#109
I feel like Janna pantheon might be a pretty legit pseudo-counter to the EU bot lane meta. Pan is pretty strong against ad as it is, and dat shield is awesome when you're jumping on people and being Pantheon and stuff.
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 28 2011 19:21 GMT
#110
On July 29 2011 04:16 Odds wrote:
I feel like Janna pantheon might be a pretty legit pseudo-counter to the EU bot lane meta. Pan is pretty strong against ad as it is, and dat shield is awesome when you're jumping on people and being Pantheon and stuff.

oh hey, that's the lane utah and I were stomping with a couple weeks ago, herpdederp
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Odds
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada1188 Posts
July 28 2011 19:49 GMT
#111
Sorry streams don't work on my shitty computer so I had no idea smashturkey

Any insights to offer? I just got panth and love him dearly but IDK what kind of lanes to put him in or how to itemize or anything and IDK if anything in the old thread still applies.
Odds.633, AM. Plat level currently. Would love more practice partners, add me, let's play!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 28 2011 19:54 GMT
#112
you have to ward early and often in the lane since you need to force aggression and you're vulnerable to jungle ganks. Pantheon needs to open boots so that both characters have health potions to work with. each matchup plays differently, typically depending on the support. Against soraka, you try to harass the soraka so that she has to heal herself and then you unload on the carry so that you can do so without having to eat through astra blessing's armor buff. Against sona, you just pick 1 (doesn't matter who) and harass them so that she can't stay efficient with her heal). Against taric you need to bait his stun without using yours and then go for a stun combo while he waits for the CD. Taric is the hardest because he also has an efficient low level heal and a passive armor buff.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 21:27:24
July 28 2011 21:26 GMT
#113
Just for the record I've had great success with janna/leona and I also imagine leona/pantheon would work great. You need a good janna though. Most people seem clueless as how to play her.
ManBearPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Belgium207 Posts
July 29 2011 11:43 GMT
#114
Just saw this thread on reddit, thought it was relevant.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 12:39:18
July 29 2011 12:39 GMT
#115
On July 29 2011 20:43 ManBearPig wrote:
Just saw this thread on reddit, thought it was relevant.


haha, definitely very relevant but a lot of troll posts too though.

Been a bit busy this week. I'll shape up the OP this weekend.
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Khelevaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine34 Posts
July 29 2011 21:41 GMT
#116
I found that Cassiopeia is a soft-counter to some casters (malz, brand, anivia) due to the fact that they cannot trade spells with her, especially at low levels. The skillshots these guys have do comparable damage to her, but Cass is a lot more spammy, meaning that she gets a lot more tries at hitting her skills. And once the other caster misses a skillshot she can go in and push them around.

She also has an advantage over vlad due to the range difference.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 29 2011 22:06 GMT
#117
On July 30 2011 06:41 Khelevaster wrote:
I found that Cassiopeia is a soft-counter to some casters (malz, brand, anivia) due to the fact that they cannot trade spells with her, especially at low levels. The skillshots these guys have do comparable damage to her, but Cass is a lot more spammy, meaning that she gets a lot more tries at hitting her skills. And once the other caster misses a skillshot she can go in and push them around.

She also has an advantage over vlad due to the range difference.

Cassiopeia is a good counter pick to multiple solo top sustain champions. Almost no melee can stand up to her QE spam and if they try to jump her, she just ults. Wonder why people don't do this more.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Khelevaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine34 Posts
July 29 2011 22:36 GMT
#118
On July 30 2011 07:06 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 06:41 Khelevaster wrote:
I found that Cassiopeia is a soft-counter to some casters (malz, brand, anivia) due to the fact that they cannot trade spells with her, especially at low levels. The skillshots these guys have do comparable damage to her, but Cass is a lot more spammy, meaning that she gets a lot more tries at hitting her skills. And once the other caster misses a skillshot she can go in and push them around.

She also has an advantage over vlad due to the range difference.

Cassiopeia is a good counter pick to multiple solo top sustain champions. Almost no melee can stand up to her QE spam and if they try to jump her, she just ults. Wonder why people don't do this more.


She might be a bit too squishy for solo top. Champs like Jax or Xin would wreck her. But I haven't played her in that role much.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 29 2011 23:12 GMT
#119
Cass's level 2 is probably the strongest in the game
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
July 29 2011 23:18 GMT
#120
She's a good pubstomp champion, anyone who doesn't open boots+3 is at an immediate disadvantage and will likely lose the early stages of the lane.

IDK if I like her as much in the mid-late game....
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