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Depends on wether the person has watched The Dogwhisperer or not
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On July 25 2012 06:06 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 04:11 NTTemplar wrote:On July 25 2012 03:11 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 03:07 Forikorder wrote:On July 25 2012 03:05 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 03:01 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On July 25 2012 02:57 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 02:55 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On July 25 2012 02:42 Infernal_dream wrote:On July 25 2012 02:21 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
A german sheperd weighs anywhere from 65-85 pounds. The average man weighs anywhere from 160-200 pounds. Do you really think an animal that weighs almost less then half as a human will win in a fight to the death? Get real. The human would win more then 80% of the time. And you're basing this purely off of weight? I'm 6'0 and only weigh 130 lbs. My dad is 6'5 230 lbs. I've whooped his ass more than once in a fight. Weight doesn't mean shit. You're right.Weight doesnt mean shit in a fight. That's why Martial arts arn't based on weight classes. There is no such thing as the lightweight, middleweight, or heavyweight classes. Fighters never get penalized in sanctioned bouts for coming into weighinss overweight because weight doesnt give you an advantage in a fight. You don't have any idea what you're talking about. That's for people who have trained their whole lives for fighting... In that case it does mean something, but considering average people... I don't think so. Otherwise I should have lost every fight I have been in, I was 5'6" in 10th grade. Luckily I grew... If you were betting on a fight against two untrained people. One was 100 pounds and the other was 200 pounds. Who would you bet on? Weight is ALWAYS a factor in a fight no matter how trained the fighters are. No it isn't... I would take a 130 pound professional boxer over a 200 pound average semi in-shape person without training. thats skill VS unskilled take 2 boxers, equal skill, give one a 70 pund advantage who wins? an ant, no matter how skilled, cant beat an elephant I understand that when both parties have even fighting experience it does make a difference... I already said that. In my eyes, a dog would fall under the skilled category... How often do average people just shadow box or punch shit for fun or just to do it? Not that often. How often does a dog chew and bite shit? All the damn time, their whole life is based around their jaws. A 100 pound average guy against a 200 pound average guy, who would you bet on? Weight is a clear concern when both are equally skilled or in my example equally unskilled as most are. Also I vote person, since I have witnessed a shepard attacking a guy, it did not end the shepperds way. It jumped him, he immediatly slung his wrist area(?) (the place between elbow and hand, dunno name), got bit but it didn't hold on too hard apparently as he right after slammed it into the ground and then held it down for a few sec before he got help with it. Personally though I would rip his eyeballs out, however I have had some martial training (no black belt jackie chan stuff though). Why would I compare that when we aren't talking about human on human fights... Would you pick a 100 pound chimp or gorilla or would you pick a 300 pound professional athlete? If you picked the 300 pound human, you would watch him get his eyes, ears, lips, fingers and genitals ripped off.
This is actually an interesting point. 100poung gorilla would mean a baby gorilla, since they normally weight 300-400 pounds, but chimps can be pretty vicious.
Still, 100pounds vs 300pounds? are you sure the athlete can't choke/poke or even straight up punch/kick his way out?
Edit: did more reading, chimps are indeed very strong especially at pulling (which would translate to ripping off), but still 100lbs is a very small chimp (normal weight is around 180lbs). So yeah, an athlete could probably take on a junior-chimp, since they would not be fully developed yet.
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On July 25 2012 07:48 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 06:06 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 04:11 NTTemplar wrote:On July 25 2012 03:11 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 03:07 Forikorder wrote:On July 25 2012 03:05 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 03:01 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On July 25 2012 02:57 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 02:55 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On July 25 2012 02:42 Infernal_dream wrote:
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And you're basing this purely off of weight? I'm 6'0 and only weigh 130 lbs. My dad is 6'5 230 lbs. I've whooped his ass more than once in a fight. Weight doesn't mean shit. You're right.Weight doesnt mean shit in a fight. That's why Martial arts arn't based on weight classes. There is no such thing as the lightweight, middleweight, or heavyweight classes. Fighters never get penalized in sanctioned bouts for coming into weighinss overweight because weight doesnt give you an advantage in a fight. You don't have any idea what you're talking about. That's for people who have trained their whole lives for fighting... In that case it does mean something, but considering average people... I don't think so. Otherwise I should have lost every fight I have been in, I was 5'6" in 10th grade. Luckily I grew... If you were betting on a fight against two untrained people. One was 100 pounds and the other was 200 pounds. Who would you bet on? Weight is ALWAYS a factor in a fight no matter how trained the fighters are. No it isn't... I would take a 130 pound professional boxer over a 200 pound average semi in-shape person without training. thats skill VS unskilled take 2 boxers, equal skill, give one a 70 pund advantage who wins? an ant, no matter how skilled, cant beat an elephant I understand that when both parties have even fighting experience it does make a difference... I already said that. In my eyes, a dog would fall under the skilled category... How often do average people just shadow box or punch shit for fun or just to do it? Not that often. How often does a dog chew and bite shit? All the damn time, their whole life is based around their jaws. A 100 pound average guy against a 200 pound average guy, who would you bet on? Weight is a clear concern when both are equally skilled or in my example equally unskilled as most are. Also I vote person, since I have witnessed a shepard attacking a guy, it did not end the shepperds way. It jumped him, he immediatly slung his wrist area(?) (the place between elbow and hand, dunno name), got bit but it didn't hold on too hard apparently as he right after slammed it into the ground and then held it down for a few sec before he got help with it. Personally though I would rip his eyeballs out, however I have had some martial training (no black belt jackie chan stuff though). Why would I compare that when we aren't talking about human on human fights... Would you pick a 100 pound chimp or gorilla or would you pick a 300 pound professional athlete? If you picked the 300 pound human, you would watch him get his eyes, ears, lips, fingers and genitals ripped off. This is actually an interesting point. 100poung gorilla would mean a baby gorilla, since they normally weight 300-400 pounds, but chimps can be pretty vicious. Still, 100pounds vs 300pounds? are you sure the athlete can't choke/poke or even straight up punch/kick his way out? Edit: did more reading, chimps are indeed very strong especially at pulling (which would translate to ripping off), but still 100lbs is a very small chimp (normal weight is around 180lbs). So yeah, an athlete could probably take on a junior-chimp, since they would not be fully developed yet.
This comparison is rather stupid as Chimps have far more weapons than that of a dog, are much stronger, and have experience fighting/killing things with the same physiology as a human... but I'll bite.
A small chimp is probably twice as strong as an average human. Add to that their quickness, jumping ability, pulling power, and their teeth. There is no doubt that a chimp has an advantage in a 1v1 fight. That doesn't mean that the human couldn't get lucky and somehow get a choke hold using his weight to his advantage... but the chimp is still favored here.
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It's not a comparison, it's a separate discussion, since they were discussing weight as an advantage. But he said 100lbs chimp vs 300lbs athlete, so not really average human.
Not saying that the chimp wouldn't be favored, but most heavyweight fighters weigh about 230-240lbs (tyson, ali, fedor, etc.), and training can really make a difference. I think a strong fighter could definitely take out a small chimp. Not "would win every time" but definitely possible.
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+ Show Spoiler +I like to watch this now and then, makes me shiver a little bit: Tyson part starts at 2:30 Now you take that to a small chimp and he's toast. Yes, it would be hard to land it, but if you've seen these guy's reflexes and hit speed you would understand that it's not impossible. AGAIN, this is from "very strong athlete" perspective, not "guy who eats chips/cola and plays dota2 all day" (me)
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The dogs can bite. Humans can bite back (if they so desired), can use their limbs as weapons, and have a weight advantage. Not really sure how the dog stands a chance of winning.
The dogs can bite. Humans can bite back (if they so desired), can use their limbs as weapons, and have a weight advantage. Not really sure how the dog stands a chance of winning.
On July 25 2012 08:33 CubEdIn wrote:
It's not a comparison, it's a separate discussion, since they were discussing weight as an advantage. But he said 100lbs chimp vs 300lbs athlete, so not really average human.
Not saying that the chimp wouldn't be favored, but most heavyweight fighters weigh about 230-240lbs (tyson, ali, fedor, etc.), and training can really make a difference. I think a strong fighter could definitely take out a small chimp. Not "would win every time" but definitely possible.
weighing three times more is nothing trivial, especially since a chimp would be utilizing similar weapons to the human. This example is as one sided as an 8 year old fighting an adult, or a human against a full-grown gorilla.
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Identical skilled 150 pound fighter vs a 300 pound one is totally 50%/50%.
The 150 pound will use his speed to his advantage while the 300 have to aim extremely well at his punches because of the mobility issue.
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If the person gets a good position over the dog it is over. Stop the jaws and you take away their only weapon, yeah it will squirm but with good grip you have it. Can either suffocate it or just rip the jaws apart given enough strength, why am I thinking like this :o
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On July 22 2012 08:55 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 07:22 sunprince wrote:On July 22 2012 06:52 mikedebo wrote:
lol I just remembered something that my wing chun sifu did in our class once, a long time ago
Some guy in the class asked a similar question to this -- like, if dude X fought a pit bull, who would win. Sifu listens to everyone joke around for a bit, and then he says "I have a story."
He talks about this guy who in the 1800s was China's best kung-fu fighter, he won every tournament he fought etc. Eventually, he decides that people are boring to fight, and so he's going to move onto animals. The first animal he picks is an old lion at the local zoo. He promises the zookeepers that he won't hurt it too badly, because it's so old.
Kung fu dude gets into the cage and waits for the lion to charge. It charges; he moves to punch it, and the lion swipes his head off with one claw.
One guy in our class asked "Sifu, what's the point? We weren't talking about lions, we were talking about dogs."
And sifu answered "Animals don't fight like men. Men don't fight like animals." That's because kung fu is bullshit. By contrast, any real trained fighter can recognize the distinct similarities in fighting styles of animals such as grizzly bears or gorillas and legitimate grappling arts such as wrestling, BJJ, and judo. I disagree. I've been in a lot of fights and the hardest I've ever gotten my ass handed to me was by 60 year old Filipino guy who did kung fu. I have training in muay thai, kickboxing, BJJ, MMA, and boxing and this old Filipino guy timed my punch, tagged me with a backfist, and hammered my face into the floor with punches. Kung fu isn't bullshit. It's not unbeatable and a lot of it nowadays is whack but trust me, there's guys out there who were doing kung fu when Bruce Lee was alive and they will fuck you up.
The video I linked shows exactly what grandmasters from back then were capable of: nothing. Any martial art which does not train full-contact with maximum resistance is worthless, and that applies to the vast majority (though not necessarily all) of kung fu.
On July 22 2012 09:28 Dr.Lettuce wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 07:33 sunprince wrote:On July 22 2012 05:36 cz wrote:On July 22 2012 05:06 Barrin wrote:On May 26 2008 05:39 Rekrul wrote:
just let it bite you and head lock it and choke it to death, i guess if you fuck it up and it gets to ur neck you're fucked though
person Scrolled down til i found the first person who thought as I did. ur good rekrul :D and if the dog doesn't really rush right at you, you can probably just kick it's head really hard. I'm a bit bigger and stronger than the average guy, but I wouldn't reall fear for my life if I was in this situation. I'd be surprised if I came out unscathed though. TBH most dogs are really scared of me lol, but I guess this one would be trained. I'd give an average guy 60-90 out of 100, depending on how ready he was for it. Problem is that choking the dog requires you to put your neck near its teeth. Rear naked chokes, Ezekiel chokes, and D'arce chokes are all safe. A properly executed arm triangle choke would probably block the dog's head with it's front leg as well. Given the weight disparity between a typical adult male human and a German shephard, you could also use a body triangle (from back mount, as doing this from guard could get you bitten in the torso) or do jime (assuming you can reach the dog's front legs from guard) to choke out the dog via trunk compression. LOL at arm triangle on a dog. That is the greatest image I've ever imagined.. I was thinking a body triangle would probably be fine. Don't know about a D'arce to be honest I think your second arm would be too close to it's mouth. Assuming you shifted your weight correctly above the dogs head/neck you could probably snap on a pretty nice anaconda.
The D'arce should be fine as long as you control the head properly, but you might have a point about it being too risky (especially when slipping it in). I'm not sure how you would safely set up the anaconda choke versus a dog (I suspect that the typical front headlock set up gets you bitten), but I don't use anaconda chokes much so I'm sure there's a way to do it.
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On July 25 2012 08:23 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 07:48 CubEdIn wrote:On July 25 2012 06:06 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 04:11 NTTemplar wrote:On July 25 2012 03:11 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 03:07 Forikorder wrote:On July 25 2012 03:05 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 03:01 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On July 25 2012 02:57 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 02:55 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
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You're right.Weight doesnt mean shit in a fight. That's why Martial arts arn't based on weight classes. There is no such thing as the lightweight, middleweight, or heavyweight classes. Fighters never get penalized in sanctioned bouts for coming into weighinss overweight because weight doesnt give you an advantage in a fight. You don't have any idea what you're talking about. That's for people who have trained their whole lives for fighting... In that case it does mean something, but considering average people... I don't think so. Otherwise I should have lost every fight I have been in, I was 5'6" in 10th grade. Luckily I grew... If you were betting on a fight against two untrained people. One was 100 pounds and the other was 200 pounds. Who would you bet on? Weight is ALWAYS a factor in a fight no matter how trained the fighters are. No it isn't... I would take a 130 pound professional boxer over a 200 pound average semi in-shape person without training. thats skill VS unskilled take 2 boxers, equal skill, give one a 70 pund advantage who wins? an ant, no matter how skilled, cant beat an elephant I understand that when both parties have even fighting experience it does make a difference... I already said that. In my eyes, a dog would fall under the skilled category... How often do average people just shadow box or punch shit for fun or just to do it? Not that often. How often does a dog chew and bite shit? All the damn time, their whole life is based around their jaws. A 100 pound average guy against a 200 pound average guy, who would you bet on? Weight is a clear concern when both are equally skilled or in my example equally unskilled as most are. Also I vote person, since I have witnessed a shepard attacking a guy, it did not end the shepperds way. It jumped him, he immediatly slung his wrist area(?) (the place between elbow and hand, dunno name), got bit but it didn't hold on too hard apparently as he right after slammed it into the ground and then held it down for a few sec before he got help with it. Personally though I would rip his eyeballs out, however I have had some martial training (no black belt jackie chan stuff though). Why would I compare that when we aren't talking about human on human fights... Would you pick a 100 pound chimp or gorilla or would you pick a 300 pound professional athlete? If you picked the 300 pound human, you would watch him get his eyes, ears, lips, fingers and genitals ripped off. This is actually an interesting point. 100poung gorilla would mean a baby gorilla, since they normally weight 300-400 pounds, but chimps can be pretty vicious. Still, 100pounds vs 300pounds? are you sure the athlete can't choke/poke or even straight up punch/kick his way out? Edit: did more reading, chimps are indeed very strong especially at pulling (which would translate to ripping off), but still 100lbs is a very small chimp (normal weight is around 180lbs). So yeah, an athlete could probably take on a junior-chimp, since they would not be fully developed yet. This comparison is rather stupid as Chimps have far more weapons than that of a dog, are much stronger, and have experience fighting/killing things with the same physiology as a human... but I'll bite. A small chimp is probably twice as strong as an average human. Add to that their quickness, jumping ability, pulling power, and their teeth. There is no doubt that a chimp has an advantage in a 1v1 fight. That doesn't mean that the human couldn't get lucky and somehow get a choke hold using his weight to his advantage... but the chimp is still favored here.
My point is that weight doesn't mean victory when you're comparing two different species.
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On July 25 2012 09:20 Xiphos wrote:
Identical skilled 150 pound fighter vs a 300 pound one is totally 50%/50%.
The 150 pound will use his speed to his advantage while the 300 have to aim extremely well at his punches because of the mobility issue.
lol do you seriously believe this? Have you ever watched a MMA match?
Once they're on the ground, it's not so difficult to aim.
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Why are so many people talking about throwing punches at a dog, lol? Choke that thing. It's gg.
All a dog has is its jaw - that's it, people. We are humans. You're telling me you couldn't macgyver your way out of a fight with a dog when all it has is one tool to our... many?
Just sounds crazy to me. Say what you want, I'd mess up the dog fast. Unscathed? Probably not. Have you seen a dog fight? They're vicious. But, that's not the point. I'd win.
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On July 25 2012 23:43 danl9rm wrote:
Why are so many people talking about throwing punches at a dog, lol? Choke that thing. It's gg.
All a dog has is its jaw - that's it, people. We are humans. You're telling me you couldn't macgyver your way out of a fight with a dog when all it has is one tool to our... many?
Just sounds crazy to me. Say what you want, I'd mess up the dog fast. Unscathed? Probably not. Have you seen a dog fight? They're vicious. But, that's not the point. I'd win.
I'm actually getting annoyed with people enough to set this up, lol. I'm sure the line of volunteers will be a lot shorter than the total people saying they would win.
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On July 26 2012 00:57 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 23:43 danl9rm wrote:
Why are so many people talking about throwing punches at a dog, lol? Choke that thing. It's gg.
All a dog has is its jaw - that's it, people. We are humans. You're telling me you couldn't macgyver your way out of a fight with a dog when all it has is one tool to our... many?
Just sounds crazy to me. Say what you want, I'd mess up the dog fast. Unscathed? Probably not. Have you seen a dog fight? They're vicious. But, that's not the point. I'd win. I'm actually getting annoyed with people enough to set this up, lol. I'm sure the line of volunteers will be a lot shorter than the total people saying they would win.
Yeah see, it's easy to be on the dog side, and then go "oh well, I was wrong", but would you bet your life the dog would win? I mean if the guy wins, would you kill yourself?
No, and you know why? Because you don't wanna die. And neither will whoever goes into that room. And trust me, even though dogs are vicious, humans on the edge are animals as well. I would bet my life that the human would win, I'm that sure. Fuck I would even do it if the reward was great enough (something like: you win, you get 100M EURs so you never have to worry about money again, you lose, you die).
Not that I would willingly kill an animal, and I'm probably a bit above the "average human" standards, in terms of height and weight (5'11"/194lbs) not physical condition per se, but I do run/go to the gym every few days.
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I dont understand how a 100 (or 180)lbs chimp could win against a 300lbs athelte, they may be stronger but they have 0 technique and would not be able to block punches and a single punch from the 300lbs guy would knock it out I would imagine
unless they grab your arms straight away and you wouldnt be able to break the grip, but you could still take it down where again the athlete should have the advantage
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If u can make it bit your arm, withstand the bite then u can probably choke or try to elbow the head or something, or just imobilize it. The point is the initial attack
edit: it was pitbull I would have voted for the dog tho ...
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German sheppard:
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Dog win ezpz, everyone would give up.
No one can kill that.
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On July 26 2012 03:58 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 00:57 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 23:43 danl9rm wrote:
Why are so many people talking about throwing punches at a dog, lol? Choke that thing. It's gg.
All a dog has is its jaw - that's it, people. We are humans. You're telling me you couldn't macgyver your way out of a fight with a dog when all it has is one tool to our... many?
Just sounds crazy to me. Say what you want, I'd mess up the dog fast. Unscathed? Probably not. Have you seen a dog fight? They're vicious. But, that's not the point. I'd win. I'm actually getting annoyed with people enough to set this up, lol. I'm sure the line of volunteers will be a lot shorter than the total people saying they would win. Yeah see, it's easy to be on the dog side, and then go "oh well, I was wrong", but would you bet your life the dog would win? I mean if the guy wins, would you kill yourself? No, and you know why? Because you don't wanna die. And neither will whoever goes into that room. And trust me, even though dogs are vicious, humans on the edge are animals as well. I would bet my life that the human would win, I'm that sure. Fuck I would even do it if the reward was great enough (something like: you win, you get 100M EURs so you never have to worry about money again, you lose, you die). Not that I would willingly kill an animal, and I'm probably a bit above the "average human" standards, in terms of height and weight (5'11"/194lbs) not physical condition per se, but I do run/go to the gym every few days.
Let's make it a money bet then, I'll cough up a few grand if someone will step in with a German Shepard of my choosing (no it won't be a roided up freak). The number of people stepping up will be less, because they are all talk and most of them would take flight and not fight.
On July 26 2012 04:20 cilinder007 wrote:
I dont understand how a 100 (or 180)lbs chimp could win against a 300lbs athelte, they may be stronger but they have 0 technique and would not be able to block punches and a single punch from the 300lbs guy would knock it out I would imagine
unless they grab your arms straight away and you wouldnt be able to break the grip, but you could still take it down where again the athlete should have the advantage
Go wiki chimps, or watch a documentary about them. They are notoriously strong and angry when they fight.
On July 26 2012 04:46 Crappy wrote:German sheppard: Dog win ezpz, everyone would give up. No one can kill that.
Point proven!
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On July 26 2012 04:51 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 03:58 CubEdIn wrote:On July 26 2012 00:57 GreEny K wrote:On July 25 2012 23:43 danl9rm wrote:
Why are so many people talking about throwing punches at a dog, lol? Choke that thing. It's gg.
All a dog has is its jaw - that's it, people. We are humans. You're telling me you couldn't macgyver your way out of a fight with a dog when all it has is one tool to our... many?
Just sounds crazy to me. Say what you want, I'd mess up the dog fast. Unscathed? Probably not. Have you seen a dog fight? They're vicious. But, that's not the point. I'd win. I'm actually getting annoyed with people enough to set this up, lol. I'm sure the line of volunteers will be a lot shorter than the total people saying they would win. Yeah see, it's easy to be on the dog side, and then go "oh well, I was wrong", but would you bet your life the dog would win? I mean if the guy wins, would you kill yourself? No, and you know why? Because you don't wanna die. And neither will whoever goes into that room. And trust me, even though dogs are vicious, humans on the edge are animals as well. I would bet my life that the human would win, I'm that sure. Fuck I would even do it if the reward was great enough (something like: you win, you get 100M EURs so you never have to worry about money again, you lose, you die). Not that I would willingly kill an animal, and I'm probably a bit above the "average human" standards, in terms of height and weight (5'11"/194lbs) not physical condition per se, but I do run/go to the gym every few days. Let's make it a money bet then, I'll cough up a few grand if someone will step in with a German Shepard of my choosing (no it won't be a roided up freak). The number of people stepping up will be less, because they are all talk and most of them would take flight and not fight.
As I said, it's easy to choose a side when not much is at stake. But you would not bet your life the dog wins. When someone is stepping in, he literally bets his life he will win, the dog isn't capable of rational thought, so it would only make sense that whoever votes for the dog would have their life at stake too if the dog loses.
And sure there will be very few people willing to do it, unless stakes are really high (at least a few hundred thousands I assume), because they are risking their lives after all.
This is the only aspect of the discussion that bothers me, people don't seem to realize that the human will be very... animal-like in a fight like this.
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On July 21 2012 13:55 P7GAB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 13:49 MrRicewife wrote:On July 21 2012 13:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
I actually have experience "fighting" a dog. Well trying to stop it from fighting another dog.
One time a person brought a dog onto our farm, it looked kinda like a cross between a golden retriever and a rottweiler. And it ran out and latched onto my dog, while everyone else was out inspecting so I had to fight it on my own.
Eventually my dogs guts went everywhere, and I tried everything beating the crap out of it, grabbing its neck and knee-ing it, it was like trying to fight a brick wall, I couldn't do anything. This went for about 10 minutes. I am a 6ft tall adult, and this was just a large female dog, and I literally felt helpless. I wasn't in the right mind frame to get an axe and try and kill it though, as I thought physical force would be enough.
When that dog went to the vet it was apparently "badly damaged", so obviously my attacks did something, but being badly damaged didn't seem to make a hint of difference when that dog was set on killing my dog.
There's a difference between hitting a dog when you are its owner, and hitting it when it wants to kill something. When they want to kill, its like they gain super-powers and nothing affects them, dogs are very submissive when you are its owner, you think it would be the same in a fight, its the complete opposite.
Seriously try kicking a dog in the face when it wants to kill you, its not gonna do anything and will just rip you apart. shit man thats so sad. two dogs fighting makes the worst sound in the world. honestly, it's so depressing and sad and scary. I hope that dog got help or was put down, because it sounds dangerous to anything if it just charged without warning. I killed a dog once on an indian reserve. I'm an electrician and i was at work throwing up an outside light. All of a sudden this fucking dog runs up charging me and barking and growling. i was terrified, so fucking scary. so i run up the porch hoping to get away from this fucking thing and bam its after me. im really fucking scared here, like seizing up so scared. i had a huge flat blade screwdriver in my tool pouch, so i stabbed it right in the side. it bit me on the arm, and i kicked it right in the fucking head (steel toe boots). it ran about 20 ft out in the field and fell over. fucking piece of shit dog. i am an animal lover, but reserve dogs, they aren't animals. they are demon beasts. and they are wild as fuck. i went straight to the chief after, told him look im sorry but it fucking came after me and im bleeding it bit me etc. he told me they kill these things all the time and they are all wild and crazy. anyway, this thing was kind of a mutt, skinny, underfed so it wasn't exactly a fair fight. Sorry to upset anyone, but this thread is open for these discussions so.. like i said, i love animals. i would be a vet if i could handle putting down puppies and kittens but i cant. i own 6 cats, 2 dogs, 4 ferrets, and i grew up with countless other animals. you name it. i feed and take care of them and love them all. but my safety is more valuable than a stray dog. sorry again if it upsets anyone. thats some crazy shit how bad was the damage to your arm?
It actually wasn't too bad tbh. I was wearing a carhart jacket being outside and all. I had to go to the docs tho and get it cleaned, check for rabies other bacteria too. dogs mouth is quite clean tho, doctor was saying. No scar today. Like I said, the dog was really underfed and skinny, and when it bit down it hurt like a son of a bitch, really fucking bad. It burned for a long time too, but it let go very quickly. Not like what a trained dog would be like though.
On July 21 2012 14:14 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 13:49 MrRicewife wrote:On July 21 2012 13:21 sluggaslamoo wrote:
I actually have experience "fighting" a dog. Well trying to stop it from fighting another dog.
One time a person brought a dog onto our farm, it looked kinda like a cross between a golden retriever and a rottweiler. And it ran out and latched onto my dog, while everyone else was out inspecting so I had to fight it on my own.
Eventually my dogs guts went everywhere, and I tried everything beating the crap out of it, grabbing its neck and knee-ing it, it was like trying to fight a brick wall, I couldn't do anything. This went for about 10 minutes. I am a 6ft tall adult, and this was just a large female dog, and I literally felt helpless. I wasn't in the right mind frame to get an axe and try and kill it though, as I thought physical force would be enough.
When that dog went to the vet it was apparently "badly damaged", so obviously my attacks did something, but being badly damaged didn't seem to make a hint of difference when that dog was set on killing my dog.
There's a difference between hitting a dog when you are its owner, and hitting it when it wants to kill something. When they want to kill, its like they gain super-powers and nothing affects them, dogs are very submissive when you are its owner, you think it would be the same in a fight, its the complete opposite.
Seriously try kicking a dog in the face when it wants to kill you, its not gonna do anything and will just rip you apart. shit man thats so sad. two dogs fighting makes the worst sound in the world. honestly, it's so depressing and sad and scary. I hope that dog got help or was put down, because it sounds dangerous to anything if it just charged without warning. I killed a dog once on an indian reserve. I'm an electrician and i was at work throwing up an outside light. All of a sudden this fucking dog runs up charging me and barking and growling. i was terrified, so fucking scary. so i run up the porch hoping to get away from this fucking thing and bam its after me. im really fucking scared here, like seizing up so scared. i had a huge flat blade screwdriver in my tool pouch, so i stabbed it right in the side. it bit me on the arm, and i kicked it right in the fucking head (steel toe boots). it ran about 20 ft out in the field and fell over. fucking piece of shit dog. i am an animal lover, but reserve dogs, they aren't animals. they are demon beasts. and they are wild as fuck. i went straight to the chief after, told him look im sorry but it fucking came after me and im bleeding it bit me etc. he told me they kill these things all the time and they are all wild and crazy. anyway, this thing was kind of a mutt, skinny, underfed so it wasn't exactly a fair fight. Sorry to upset anyone, but this thread is open for these discussions so.. like i said, i love animals. i would be a vet if i could handle putting down puppies and kittens but i cant. i own 6 cats, 2 dogs, 4 ferrets, and i grew up with countless other animals. you name it. i feed and take care of them and love them all. but my safety is more valuable than a stray dog. sorry again if it upsets anyone. That must have been terrifying, I'm glad you are safe. You definitely have a lot of courage working on that site, if that happened to me I probably wouldn't still be working there. I am actually surprised nobody warned you about it, let alone gave you the tools to deal with such a situation. Must have been terrible feeling like you had to fight for your life like that. Even now I make sure that people are with their dog the entire time, and whenever somebody brings a dog, I make sure there is an axe that I can get in a moments notice. Call me paranoid, but that's what happens when you see this shit once. I was bitten on the hand (I managed to pull away so probably no where near as badly as yours) and even when my adrenalin was pumping I yelled, even though I wasn't feeling pain. It wasn't like crashing badly on a bike where you kinda brush it off, it was kind of a reflex. Maybe it alerts others to help, too bad nobody was around. Likewise I couldn't help myself explaining my story simply because this thread just reminded me of it. Its nice to know there are people in a similar boat though. When I went to the doctor she told me never to intervene between two dogs fighting, its like a suicide mission. You don't really think about that when its happening though. She seemed more understanding when I told her my dog died and she was like "was it that serious?". I couldn't help rolling my eyes though lol. The vet who saw our dog (or what was left of it), told us that their dog needed to be destroyed. Only problem was that person disappeared soon after it happened. She then rang us up and told us her dog was taken to the vet and was badly damaged, which kinda rubbed me the wrong way. Iirc she's going to jail for a bit because she has no money now, according to police she was notorious for being shifty, like setting up cattle on other peoples farms when they weren't home, and lodging her money in New Zealand so she could claim bankruptcy at any given notice and possibly a few other benefits. I don't think she intentionally brought her dog to kill our dog though.
I never worked a reserve again. The people on the reserve around my place, are horrible people. Two years ago, mid-winter, an indian let his 2 year old daughter out in -30 fucking weather. Of course he was drunk as an idian and didn't even know wtf was going on. needless to say, the girl didn't last long, dying a horrible death. As for their responsibility of keeping track of wild animals on their land; whatever you see shoot - if you want to. And let someone else clean up the mess. Fucking digusting pigs.
The nurse you spoke to was a total %*itch. You obviously shouldn't intervene - but when it's your dog, give me a break lady. She sounds judgemental and quick triggered to be honest. Tsk tsk.
I'm sorry man - I have zero patience with wrong people. If the owner called me and said her dog was badly damaged I seriously would have asked her politely to bring her dog over to my place so I can damage what wasn't damaged already. I'm not fucking exaggerating. What nerve that lady has. And from what you just said - it looks like she found her rightful home. I'm steaming over here just thinking about how arrogant and ignorant people can be with animals. Who the FUCK does she think she fleeing like that and then calling you up later. Fuck that woman, bad vibes to her all the way. I could only imagine how she treated her illegal cattle. Or what kind of meat they produced and was sold to good people. So mad right now.
Sorry for the late responses. Typically my posts just get buried, no matter if they are good or not so I don't check often.
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