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Yurie

11940 Posts

22 hours ago

#17961

On November 29 2025 14:31 Manit0u wrote:

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I did look it up. Recently Ukrainians have cleared the center of Pokrovsk (again) and also secured new supply and logistic routes into Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad, denying months of Russian efforts in the area.

It's getting tiresome hearing this "Pokrovsk is going to fall any moment now" for the past year...

I honestly think moving out of Pokrovsk is likely in Ukrainian interest by this point. Retreating under fire is hard and supplying units that are close to cut off is hard. Both increasing casualties compared to retreating earlier. It is very hard to judge without the information Ukraine has though it looks like it is time from the outside. Loss ratio drops or even reverses if you hold a point too long.

Land hasn't been what this war is about for a long time. Holding it just worsens your position.

Excludos

Norway8209 Posts

21 hours ago

#17962

On November 29 2025 20:03 Yurie wrote:

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On November 29 2025 14:31 Manit0u wrote:

On November 29 2025 07:40 ETisME wrote:

On November 29 2025 01:03 Manit0u wrote:

On November 28 2025 22:37 ETisME wrote:
Just as Ukraine is holding off and killing as efficient as possible, buying time for next defensive position, russians are taking their time to slow encirclement to bait more counter attacks from Ukraine side.

Myrnohrad is a total disaster, with several counter attack attempts got wiped and basically one way trip. And now its pretty much encircled entirely.
Repeated number is up to 2000 Ukrainian soldiers over there.

Don't expect the war to go on in linear fashion. It's a battle of strength until cracks start leaking. Pokrovisk is a big one.

So, 2000 Ukrainian soldiers are able to hold off 50000+ Russian soldiers for 1.5 years. This sure does sound terrible..
Why are you worried about their lives so much when Russia is losing 30000 soldiers every month?

Also, Pokrovsk is not a big one, there's nothing there apart from some soldiers trying to stall Russia's advances - no critical infrastructure, no production facilities, nothing. It's not even half the size of Kramatorsk that's been preparing for this the entire war and it's the next big obstacle for Russia in Donetsk (and they haven't even started approaching it yet).

The onus here is on Russia to somehow prove they can take the rest of Donetsk so rapidly that the Ukrainians have to surrender it. So far they haven't proven they're capable of doing that.

This map shows Russian gains in the last 12 months.

Sure looks like Russia is on its way to capture all of Ukraine soon...

I am talking about myrnohrad.
Look up high way of death.
Not to mention Ukraine is likely losing their elite units like 38 bridage over there. Ukraine army is largely depending on them.

Pokrovsk is strategically important, not just the infrastructure but the position now destabilize a lot of front lines elsewhere

Only issue is that they're causing absolute havoc on the Russian attackers down there. They're in good positions, door to door suits the better trained Ukrainians better, and perhaps most important, they are able to cover off Russia's supply route.

If one looks away from the humanity of it, just looking at pure numbers and statistics, Ukraine is winning out by holding on for as long as they can, making Russia bleed for every meter.

Manit0u

Poland17483 Posts

21 hours ago

#17963

Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad are used as a focal point to concentrate Russian forces and hold them there as long as possible. This relieves other parts of the front so it's actually in Ukraine's best intrerest to hold it for as long as possible. They're fully aware that it's costly for them but they still do it because it's the best option. Any ground they give Russians for free just makes situation worse elsewhere so it's also a no go.

Russia has to take incredible casualties for very little gain. And due to the tactics they're employing whatever they do take is basically just an unusable ruin since all the infrastructure and most of the buildings are gone by that time.

Billyboy

1298 Posts

18 hours ago

#17964

Just a reminder that a month ago Zeo popped in to call everyone stupid for believe the propaganda that Pokrovsk was still being held, when Russia had already taken it. A bunch of us who are brainwashed said that what we were reading and watching said Ukraine was holding, it was very difficult, they would likely lose it but take as many Russians and equipment with them as possible.

I wonder which group is taking in more realistic propaganda? Hard to say really...

Manit0u

Poland17483 Posts

8 hours ago

#17965

A quick rundown of the current state of Russia.

Manit0u

Poland17483 Posts

51 minutes ago

#17966

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRoI5r2jARz/

New footage from attack on the port in Novorossiysk recorded by Turkish sailors who were there at the time.