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On November 27 2025 17:35 Excludos wrote:
Someone from Hong Kong not supporting Ukraine is genuinely unfathomable to me. Especially if you don't want to be called Chinese. Hong Kong is being more and more merged into China. You have lost your sovereignty, and you are about to lose your culture
People are not monolithic entities that think based on colour of skin or where they are born. People can think for themselves based on their own experiences and don't need you telling someone from Hong Kong what they should be thinking. Maybe you'd like HK to be a smoking crater in the ground with 100s of thousands of dead (because you don't live there), but something tells me they have a more pragmatic approach to their own problems.
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United States43291 Posts
Ah yes. The people of Hong Kong don’t need other people telling them what to think and that’s why their political parties have been banned and thousands of secret police from the mainland have been deployed there. They can think for themselves, as long as it aligns with the CCP. Glad zeo was here to let us know that we shouldn’t tell them what they ought to believe. That’s Beijing’s job.
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Northern Ireland26147 Posts
Is Hong Kong one of the exceedingly rare places where they’d rather have the British back?
Guess the Palestinians would also take that state of affairs
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Northern Ireland26147 Posts
On November 27 2025 07:52 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2025 07:14 Gahlo wrote:On November 26 2025 18:14 Excludos wrote:On November 26 2025 16:12 maybenexttime wrote:According to a recent leak, it is apparent that the supposed US envoy to Russia is acting as a Russian agent. https://archive.is/utUkc To the surprise of no one with eyes and brain cells to rub together Edit: confirmed by Trump himself, who now is just casually normalizing treason.. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/11/26/8009009/ Is it treason if Trump signs off on it? He's not a king, merely a government official. Witkoff was advising Russia on how to play Trump to do their bidding. I would say that's clear treason.
Even the benign explanation is pretty damning. Let’s assume Witkoff genuinely thinks this is a great deal and in American interests. You can’t sell it to Trump on that basis, you have to butter him up. And not only that, you have to do it in a limited timeframe before the other person also does the same thing.
Fudge sake. It’s laughable deeply depressing stuff, especially the denial people have. Folks in USPol were denying what’s patently obvious, and has been obvious for years just a few days ago, and then this drops. You almost couldn’t have asked for a better illustration of it if you tried.
I don’t, btw buy the more benign end of this spectrum, but even if it were the case it would still be bad
And what’s even more mental is that Trump can just say he didn’t even read it when questioned on it. This would be a pretty major deal in any vaguely functional country.
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The part that gets me is that most theories of Trump have him as a narcissist with fits of rage, he thinks he's smarter and more powerful then anyone else, and of course, encyclopedias have been written on how to manipulate him, thousands of articles covering how people do it, and I can get that he doesn't read and doesn't care, but this is very clearly someone who is supposed to work for him working for Putin, directly, there is clear evidence, and he isn't even bothered by it?
I mean who spun it that way, how? Shouldn't he be firing Witkoff while yelling his lungs out at him and having the military police escort him out, I mean the guy was giving another country direct advice how to manipulate him to get what they want.
The only theory that fits all the known facts is that Trump and Putin's goals are so aligned, to the point that even Witkoff wasn't aware that he doesn't have to put his thumb on the scale even more, so Trump didn't mind this, because he's in Putin's pocket anyway.
Anyhow, I find it kind of funny that you guys are bewildered by Zeo's approach, he is from a country that was built on trying to deny others their sovereignty and is completely unrepentant about it, of course he thinks that no one from the column of "to be subjugated" should have a problem with that, I mean his whole existence is based on supporting a mafia state, he has 0 sense of self or actual pride in anything other then weird fantasies these mafiots use to manipulate him.
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Trump owns him now. He steps out of line and Trump can charge him with treason. It is like in the old USSR (and every corrupt country), or the mob. You want people doing the bad shit and you to know about it, because that gives you the power. Clean people are scary.
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Oh boy, I think you might have missed the massive trail of corruption and conflict of interest that Witkoff's been leaving behind from the moment he started his globetrotting.
His 32 y/o son has been following in his wake and "making deals" along with Don Jr. and Eric:
https://newrepublic.com/article/200551/trump-witkoff-emiratis-bribery-corruption
There is enough shit just with the crypto schemes they've been running to put them all away for a long time, if need arises.
I don't think that this guy would have ever ended up in this position if Trump didn't own him beforehand.
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