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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43803 Posts
November 28 2025 09:11 GMT
#17941
On November 28 2025 14:56 ETisME wrote:
some common grounds are being identified now

Common ground between Russia and the surrender agreement that Russia dictated is to be expected.
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12702 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-28 09:57:13
November 28 2025 09:19 GMT
#17942
On November 28 2025 17:01 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2025 14:56 ETisME wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-us-ukraine-text-could-form-basis-future-peace-agreement-2025-11-27/
Interesting, looks like at least some common grounds are being identified now
But I think the key issues especially on how the territory is drawn are gonna break the deal.
According to a few military specialist page, Russia would capture those parts they want in a year-ish time. Maybe even faster depending how pokrovsk withdraw went and how the glide bomb tech vs counter tech go

Almost everything I've read says at least two years not one. Any sources for that timeline?

It won't be in English. It's from several Taiwanese military analysts pages.

Not this one in particular but to give you a rough idea.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17qKZv9hkw/

Their post on the glide bombs are crucial, because it directly translate russia superior air dominance into safe strategic purpose.
Not only is Ukraine has notl real means to define the existing ones, Russia is already on an improved version like umpb d-30sn.

These will shell shock any Ukraine defense teams into unable to do sustain prolonged war. Further worsening the lack of manpower issue.
Loss of pokrovsk also unstablised a lot of areas, making it spread even more thin.

Also just to expand on glide bomb vs jamming, it looks like the more anti jamming are on the glide bombs, it is multiples harder to set up strong enough jamming.

Based off latest image, the on target accuracy is roughly 30%, but many are close enough to have shellshock effect.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12702 Posts
November 28 2025 09:20 GMT
#17943
On November 28 2025 18:11 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2025 14:56 ETisME wrote:
some common grounds are being identified now

Common ground between Russia and the surrender agreement that Russia dictated is to be expected.

Ukraine worked on the revision.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6336 Posts
November 28 2025 09:55 GMT
#17944
On November 28 2025 10:22 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2025 09:31 Simberto wrote:
On November 28 2025 09:15 Manit0u wrote:
What you don't seem to grasp is that every day this war is going on is another day Russia didn't win. The onus is entirely on Russia here because they're the attacker. They can stop this war any time they want but they apparently don't want to stop it so the war continues. All that Ukraine has to do to win is just not give up and that's what they've been doing for the past 4 years so right now they're winning this war.

Russia doesn't really give Ukraine any choice here. Surrender and lose your country or fight and lose your country. They'd rather fight than be sent to reeducation camps and be subject to ethnic cleansing.

Putin can take his lebensraum and shove it up his arse.


The weird thing is that "Lebensraum" is the one thing that Russia has enough of. Russia is full of space to live. What Russia probably wanted out of this war is more people. That doesn't seem to be working out well.

Even if they fully win now, they mostly get an empty land, because they need to do a lot of murdering before Ukrainian partisans stop being a problem for them.

Hard to say why but I reckon they just want to reshuffle the population on the outskirts of Russia to "resist some of the cultural social changes" from the west

Look at Mariupol, it's been reshaped as a strictly very Russian cities. And similarly, a lot of populations been moved around in occupied territories to make it more Russian

This is one of the more illogical cope narratives being pushed - the seething over cities being rebuilt and people coming back to them. When rebuilding damaged civilian apartments is being peddled as a war crime you know its a slow news day. Kiev hadn't invested anything into infrastructure or modernisation for decades and just building new things doesn't mean its 'Russian architecture', what are they supposed to do? Build commie blocks so it looks like the rest of Kiev controlled Ukraine?

Millions of Ukrainian civilians fled to Russia from 2014 and since 2022. If there is new housing being built in Mariupol and other parts of what was formerly Ukraine I don't see what the problem is with Ukrainian passport holders being given incentives to move there or people from Mariupol moving back to their homes.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12702 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-28 10:07:59
November 28 2025 09:58 GMT
#17945
On November 28 2025 18:55 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2025 10:22 ETisME wrote:
On November 28 2025 09:31 Simberto wrote:
On November 28 2025 09:15 Manit0u wrote:
What you don't seem to grasp is that every day this war is going on is another day Russia didn't win. The onus is entirely on Russia here because they're the attacker. They can stop this war any time they want but they apparently don't want to stop it so the war continues. All that Ukraine has to do to win is just not give up and that's what they've been doing for the past 4 years so right now they're winning this war.

Russia doesn't really give Ukraine any choice here. Surrender and lose your country or fight and lose your country. They'd rather fight than be sent to reeducation camps and be subject to ethnic cleansing.

Putin can take his lebensraum and shove it up his arse.


The weird thing is that "Lebensraum" is the one thing that Russia has enough of. Russia is full of space to live. What Russia probably wanted out of this war is more people. That doesn't seem to be working out well.

Even if they fully win now, they mostly get an empty land, because they need to do a lot of murdering before Ukrainian partisans stop being a problem for them.

Hard to say why but I reckon they just want to reshuffle the population on the outskirts of Russia to "resist some of the cultural social changes" from the west

Look at Mariupol, it's been reshaped as a strictly very Russian cities. And similarly, a lot of populations been moved around in occupied territories to make it more Russian

This is one of the more illogical cope narratives being pushed - the seething over cities being rebuilt and people coming back to them. When rebuilding damaged civilian apartments is being peddled as a war crime you know its a slow news day. Kiev hadn't invested anything into infrastructure or modernisation for decades and just building new things doesn't mean its 'Russian architecture', what are they supposed to do? Build commie blocks so it looks like the rest of Kiev controlled Ukraine?

Millions of Ukrainian civilians fled to Russia from 2014 and since 2022. If there is new housing being built in Mariupol and other parts of what was formerly Ukraine I don't see what the problem is with Ukrainian passport holders being given incentives to move there or people from Mariupol moving back to their homes.

I think you are misunderstanding.
Mariupol is no longer under Ukraine control.
I am saying russia has rebuild it with deukraine ideology and moved pro russian population in.

Putin just got this pushed through: Strategy of Russia's national policy in the period to 2036

China has reported how many population have been moving around in Russia. It's definitely not natural movement.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17707 Posts
November 28 2025 10:24 GMT
#17946
Of course it's not. Putin is panicking and they've been crying for years now that the "real" Russians are being bred out by all the mongoloid types from fringe republics etc. Childbirth rates are also pretty low in Russia proper (one of the reasons why they're kidnapping and reeducating Ukrainian children).

I've made the lebensraum comparison earlier not by accident. Just like Hitler wanted to occupy central and eastern Europe and get rid of Poles, Jews, Ukrainians etc. and resettle those lands with Germans so does Putin want to do with Ukraine.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6271 Posts
November 28 2025 11:28 GMT
#17947
On November 28 2025 18:19 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2025 17:01 RvB wrote:
On November 28 2025 14:56 ETisME wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-us-ukraine-text-could-form-basis-future-peace-agreement-2025-11-27/
Interesting, looks like at least some common grounds are being identified now
But I think the key issues especially on how the territory is drawn are gonna break the deal.
According to a few military specialist page, Russia would capture those parts they want in a year-ish time. Maybe even faster depending how pokrovsk withdraw went and how the glide bomb tech vs counter tech go

Almost everything I've read says at least two years not one. Any sources for that timeline?

It won't be in English. It's from several Taiwanese military analysts pages.

Not this one in particular but to give you a rough idea.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17qKZv9hkw/

Their post on the glide bombs are crucial, because it directly translate russia superior air dominance into safe strategic purpose.
Not only is Ukraine has notl real means to define the existing ones, Russia is already on an improved version like umpb d-30sn.

These will shell shock any Ukraine defense teams into unable to do sustain prolonged war. Further worsening the lack of manpower issue.
Loss of pokrovsk also unstablised a lot of areas, making it spread even more thin.

Also just to expand on glide bomb vs jamming, it looks like the more anti jamming are on the glide bombs, it is multiples harder to set up strong enough jamming.

Based off latest image, the on target accuracy is roughly 30%, but many are close enough to have shellshock effect.

Seems very unlikely to me that improved glide bombs will make that much of a difference. It would have to enable Russia to significantly increase their rate of advance into the most fortified area of Ukraine. Pokrovsk is not even lost yet. They've moved at approximately 100 metres a day while concentrating most of their offensive effort on the city.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17707 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-28 11:36:34
November 28 2025 11:31 GMT
#17948
On November 28 2025 18:19 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2025 17:01 RvB wrote:
On November 28 2025 14:56 ETisME wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-us-ukraine-text-could-form-basis-future-peace-agreement-2025-11-27/
Interesting, looks like at least some common grounds are being identified now
But I think the key issues especially on how the territory is drawn are gonna break the deal.
According to a few military specialist page, Russia would capture those parts they want in a year-ish time. Maybe even faster depending how pokrovsk withdraw went and how the glide bomb tech vs counter tech go

Almost everything I've read says at least two years not one. Any sources for that timeline?

It won't be in English. It's from several Taiwanese military analysts pages.

Not this one in particular but to give you a rough idea.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17qKZv9hkw/

Their post on the glide bombs are crucial, because it directly translate russia superior air dominance into safe strategic purpose.
Not only is Ukraine has notl real means to define the existing ones, Russia is already on an improved version like umpb d-30sn.

These will shell shock any Ukraine defense teams into unable to do sustain prolonged war. Further worsening the lack of manpower issue.
Loss of pokrovsk also unstablised a lot of areas, making it spread even more thin.

Also just to expand on glide bomb vs jamming, it looks like the more anti jamming are on the glide bombs, it is multiples harder to set up strong enough jamming.

Based off latest image, the on target accuracy is roughly 30%, but many are close enough to have shellshock effect.


Glide bombs are the only advantage Russia has at the moment but it's not crucial at the front because the war hes evolved. There is no "frontline" in the common sense, Ukraine has hidden lookout posts with very few soldiers in them, not engaging and only reporting, spread every few kilometers. Then some foot patrols composed of very small squads. Russia on the other hand is trying to infiltrate small groups of soldiers through those, gather at the rear and secure positions.

Russians managed to use bad weather (halting drone operations) to capture some more of Pokrovsk but still the probability of them capturing it by the end of this year is 50/50 at best. Capturing whole of Donetsk within one more year is pretty much an impossible task for the Russians since they are getting more and more problems on their own turf, desertion rates are huge and conscription isn't going as well (sign on bonuses fell from 4 million to a few hundred thousand if they are being paid at all since over half of the Russian regions are now reporting budget deficits). So, Russia is facing increasing problems with replenishing and sustaining its army and Kramatorsk aglomeration is much larger and better defended than Pokrovsk. If it took Russia 1.5 years to still not fully capture Pokrovsk how long do you feel it would take them to capture a tougher target when they have less resources?

Putin was really banking on this "peace deal" Russia has pushed since capturing Donetsk was one of the primary goals for this "special operation". If they fail to capture it then it means defeat. They were hoping to get this deal done so they could get it without a fight and use the extra time to rebuild for another invasion. Unfortunately for Putin though Ukrainian people and military made it clear that if Russia can't capture Donetsk by itself they sure won't give it to them for free (their stance is - if you can't take it, we won't give it to you).

Edit:

To put it differently. In 4 years Russia didn't manage to capture even half of Donetsk. What makes you think that they can capture all of it within 1 more year?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12702 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-28 13:41:07
November 28 2025 13:37 GMT
#17949
On November 28 2025 20:31 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2025 18:19 ETisME wrote:
On November 28 2025 17:01 RvB wrote:
On November 28 2025 14:56 ETisME wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-us-ukraine-text-could-form-basis-future-peace-agreement-2025-11-27/
Interesting, looks like at least some common grounds are being identified now
But I think the key issues especially on how the territory is drawn are gonna break the deal.
According to a few military specialist page, Russia would capture those parts they want in a year-ish time. Maybe even faster depending how pokrovsk withdraw went and how the glide bomb tech vs counter tech go

Almost everything I've read says at least two years not one. Any sources for that timeline?

It won't be in English. It's from several Taiwanese military analysts pages.

Not this one in particular but to give you a rough idea.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17qKZv9hkw/

Their post on the glide bombs are crucial, because it directly translate russia superior air dominance into safe strategic purpose.
Not only is Ukraine has notl real means to define the existing ones, Russia is already on an improved version like umpb d-30sn.

These will shell shock any Ukraine defense teams into unable to do sustain prolonged war. Further worsening the lack of manpower issue.
Loss of pokrovsk also unstablised a lot of areas, making it spread even more thin.

Also just to expand on glide bomb vs jamming, it looks like the more anti jamming are on the glide bombs, it is multiples harder to set up strong enough jamming.

Based off latest image, the on target accuracy is roughly 30%, but many are close enough to have shellshock effect.


Glide bombs are the only advantage Russia has at the moment but it's not crucial at the front because the war hes evolved. There is no "frontline" in the common sense, Ukraine has hidden lookout posts with very few soldiers in them, not engaging and only reporting, spread every few kilometers. Then some foot patrols composed of very small squads. Russia on the other hand is trying to infiltrate small groups of soldiers through those, gather at the rear and secure positions.

Russians managed to use bad weather (halting drone operations) to capture some more of Pokrovsk but still the probability of them capturing it by the end of this year is 50/50 at best. Capturing whole of Donetsk within one more year is pretty much an impossible task for the Russians since they are getting more and more problems on their own turf, desertion rates are huge and conscription isn't going as well (sign on bonuses fell from 4 million to a few hundred thousand if they are being paid at all since over half of the Russian regions are now reporting budget deficits). So, Russia is facing increasing problems with replenishing and sustaining its army and Kramatorsk aglomeration is much larger and better defended than Pokrovsk. If it took Russia 1.5 years to still not fully capture Pokrovsk how long do you feel it would take them to capture a tougher target when they have less resources?

Putin was really banking on this "peace deal" Russia has pushed since capturing Donetsk was one of the primary goals for this "special operation". If they fail to capture it then it means defeat. They were hoping to get this deal done so they could get it without a fight and use the extra time to rebuild for another invasion. Unfortunately for Putin though Ukrainian people and military made it clear that if Russia can't capture Donetsk by itself they sure won't give it to them for free (their stance is - if you can't take it, we won't give it to you).

Edit:

To put it differently. In 4 years Russia didn't manage to capture even half of Donetsk. What makes you think that they can capture all of it within 1 more year?

The front is different is precisely because of the glide bombs. It changed how russians advances.

Just as Ukraine is holding off and killing as efficient as possible, buying time for next defensive position, russians are taking their time to slow encirclement to bait more counter attacks from Ukraine side.

Myrnohrad is a total disaster, with several counter attack attempts got wiped and basically one way trip. And now its pretty much encircled entirely.
Repeated number is up to 2000 Ukrainian soldiers over there.

Don't expect the war to go on in linear fashion. It's a battle of strength until cracks start leaking. Pokrovisk is a big one.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1320 Posts
November 28 2025 13:53 GMT
#17950
On November 28 2025 05:07 Billyboy wrote:
You answered in your post, the previous stuff involved Trumps. Leverage works both ways. He owned Trump, Trump owned him, they had some sort of MAD, relationship, who knows? But this one is all Witkoff and will ruin his credibility.

But beyond all that, I'm not sure it is the right play to right a condescending post insinuating someone else is naïve right after you write a novel wondering why Trump is not firing someone working directly for Russia.


Sorry if I offended you, I ment this a "maybe you didn't know" but whatever, I'll just expand my policy of not engaging with you from the I/P thread to TL in general since you seem to be extremely aggro for no reason.

Moving on.

Regarding the "in a year the Russia would have the rest of Donbas" stuff, let's look at the map:

[image loading]


Some famous names here.

We have Lyman, taken in 2022, re-captured during the big Ukrainian counter-offensive, still Ukrainian, 2 years later.
We have Bakhmut (pop 71,094), famously basically flattened and the biggest battle before Pokrovsk, held by Russians since May 2023.
We have Avdivka (pop 31,392), famously Russians lost a shitton of armor and manpower trying to get it until the glide bombs actually allowed them to break through, that was almost 2 years ago.
Then, we have Pokrovsk (pop 60,127), still hasn't fallen, despite Russians focusing on it for more then 1 year in full force, and way longer before that.
If and when Russians take Pokrovsk, they have Krematorsk (pop 147,145) waiting for them, which has been preparing for this all of this time, it's a way bigger city then the next 2 on the list combined, and that's just one of the obsticles before they can take all of Donbas.

So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17707 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-28 16:26:55
November 28 2025 16:03 GMT
#17951
On November 28 2025 22:37 ETisME wrote:
Just as Ukraine is holding off and killing as efficient as possible, buying time for next defensive position, russians are taking their time to slow encirclement to bait more counter attacks from Ukraine side.

Myrnohrad is a total disaster, with several counter attack attempts got wiped and basically one way trip. And now its pretty much encircled entirely.
Repeated number is up to 2000 Ukrainian soldiers over there.

Don't expect the war to go on in linear fashion. It's a battle of strength until cracks start leaking. Pokrovisk is a big one.


So, 2000 Ukrainian soldiers are able to hold off 50000+ Russian soldiers for 1.5 years. This sure does sound terrible..
Why are you worried about their lives so much when Russia is losing 30000 soldiers every month?

Also, Pokrovsk is not a big one, there's nothing there apart from some soldiers trying to stall Russia's advances - no critical infrastructure, no production facilities, nothing. It's not even half the size of Kramatorsk that's been preparing for this the entire war and it's the next big obstacle for Russia in Donetsk (and they haven't even started approaching it yet).

The onus here is on Russia to somehow prove they can take the rest of Donetsk so rapidly that the Ukrainians have to surrender it. So far they haven't proven they're capable of doing that.

[image loading]

This map shows Russian gains in the last 12 months.

Sure looks like Russia is on its way to capture all of Ukraine soon...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5771 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-28 16:50:29
November 28 2025 16:49 GMT
#17952
I think it's worth remembering that Russia currently holds less Ukrainian territory than at its peak in 2022, despite suffering over a million casualties since then.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-28 17:13:25
November 28 2025 17:11 GMT
#17953
Interesting news coming out of Ukraine. Andrii Yermak, Zelenskyy's head of office resigned today after NABU (the anti-corruption body mandated by the EU that almost got shut down but Zelenskyy reversed the decision after protests) raided his apartment, so the guy seems to be involved in some corrupt shit, the investigation was a long one so I doubt they'd go in for someone this high up if they didn't have oodles of evidence.

This is good! I'm guessing he was behind the attempt to get NABU shut down, he failed and now they got him, as a contrast, I'm sure no one can even imagine an independent anti-corruption body taking down someone who is basically one of Putin's top confidants.

I'm sure the usual suspects will come over to tell us this is proof Ukraine is corrupt, to me, it's the proof of opposite, it's a country that is aware of it's corruption problem and dealing with it.

I can't wait for them to join us in EU so we can all laugh at the Russians who couldn't believe how even small towns and villages in Ukraine have indoor plumbing and paved roads, and that was before any real money came their way.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18250 Posts
November 28 2025 17:22 GMT
#17954
On November 29 2025 02:11 Jankisa wrote:
Interesting news coming out of Ukraine. Andrii Yermak, Zelenskyy's head of office resigned today after NABU (the anti-corruption body mandated by the EU that almost got shut down but Zelenskyy reversed the decision after protests) raided his apartment, so the guy seems to be involved in some corrupt shit, the investigation was a long one so I doubt they'd go in for someone this high up if they didn't have oodles of evidence.

This is good! I'm guessing he was behind the attempt to get NABU shut down, he failed and now they got him, as a contrast, I'm sure no one can even imagine an independent anti-corruption body taking down someone who is basically one of Putin's top confidants.

I'm sure the usual suspects will come over to tell us this is proof Ukraine is corrupt, to me, it's the proof of opposite, it's a country that is aware of it's corruption problem and dealing with it.

I can't wait for them to join us in EU so we can all laugh at the Russians who couldn't believe how even small towns and villages in Ukraine have indoor plumbing and paved roads, and that was before any real money came their way.

That's fair. Putin's top confidantes tend to fall out of windows before investigations even get started!
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-28 18:03:37
November 28 2025 17:58 GMT
#17955
This is probably the biggest news in Ukraine's internal policy since the beginning of the war. Yes, even bigger than replacing Załużny with Syrski. Yermak was considered, by many, to be Ukraine's nr. 2 or nr. 1 (depending on whether you believe it was Zelensky who controlled Yermak or the other way around). Either way, he is probably resigning in an attempt to shield Zelensky from the fallout of the corruption scandal. Lets see if it succeedes. Some might see it as Trumps attempt to force Zelensky into peace (NABU is considered by many to be strongly influenced by Western allies). Others, as France/UK/Germany trying to prevent US-RU deal.

Anyway this was in the making ever since Zelenskyy tried (and failed) to shut down NABU and those corruption tapes were released. I just hope it isn't Ukraine who finally will pay the price for that. Also as a minor note, many consider Yermak to be the source of the anti-Polish stance inside the Ukrainian government; let's see if this changes anything in relations.
Pathetic Greta hater.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12702 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-28 22:46:38
November 28 2025 22:40 GMT
#17956
On November 29 2025 01:03 Manit0u wrote:
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On November 28 2025 22:37 ETisME wrote:
Just as Ukraine is holding off and killing as efficient as possible, buying time for next defensive position, russians are taking their time to slow encirclement to bait more counter attacks from Ukraine side.

Myrnohrad is a total disaster, with several counter attack attempts got wiped and basically one way trip. And now its pretty much encircled entirely.
Repeated number is up to 2000 Ukrainian soldiers over there.

Don't expect the war to go on in linear fashion. It's a battle of strength until cracks start leaking. Pokrovisk is a big one.


So, 2000 Ukrainian soldiers are able to hold off 50000+ Russian soldiers for 1.5 years. This sure does sound terrible..
Why are you worried about their lives so much when Russia is losing 30000 soldiers every month?

Also, Pokrovsk is not a big one, there's nothing there apart from some soldiers trying to stall Russia's advances - no critical infrastructure, no production facilities, nothing. It's not even half the size of Kramatorsk that's been preparing for this the entire war and it's the next big obstacle for Russia in Donetsk (and they haven't even started approaching it yet).

The onus here is on Russia to somehow prove they can take the rest of Donetsk so rapidly that the Ukrainians have to surrender it. So far they haven't proven they're capable of doing that.

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This map shows Russian gains in the last 12 months.

Sure looks like Russia is on its way to capture all of Ukraine soon...

I am talking about myrnohrad.
Look up high way of death.
Not to mention Ukraine is likely losing their elite units like 38 bridage over there. Ukraine army is largely depending on them.

Pokrovsk is strategically important, not just the infrastructure but the position now destabilize a lot of front lines elsewhere
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26499 Posts
November 28 2025 23:03 GMT
#17957
On November 29 2025 02:11 Jankisa wrote:
Interesting news coming out of Ukraine. Andrii Yermak, Zelenskyy's head of office resigned today after NABU (the anti-corruption body mandated by the EU that almost got shut down but Zelenskyy reversed the decision after protests) raided his apartment, so the guy seems to be involved in some corrupt shit, the investigation was a long one so I doubt they'd go in for someone this high up if they didn't have oodles of evidence.

This is good! I'm guessing he was behind the attempt to get NABU shut down, he failed and now they got him, as a contrast, I'm sure no one can even imagine an independent anti-corruption body taking down someone who is basically one of Putin's top confidants.

I'm sure the usual suspects will come over to tell us this is proof Ukraine is corrupt, to me, it's the proof of opposite, it's a country that is aware of it's corruption problem and dealing with it.

I can't wait for them to join us in EU so we can all laugh at the Russians who couldn't believe how even small towns and villages in Ukraine have indoor plumbing and paved roads, and that was before any real money came their way.

It’s almost refreshing these days to see someone done for ostensible corruption
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17707 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-29 06:54:08
November 29 2025 05:31 GMT
#17958
On November 29 2025 07:40 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2025 01:03 Manit0u wrote:
On November 28 2025 22:37 ETisME wrote:
Just as Ukraine is holding off and killing as efficient as possible, buying time for next defensive position, russians are taking their time to slow encirclement to bait more counter attacks from Ukraine side.

Myrnohrad is a total disaster, with several counter attack attempts got wiped and basically one way trip. And now its pretty much encircled entirely.
Repeated number is up to 2000 Ukrainian soldiers over there.

Don't expect the war to go on in linear fashion. It's a battle of strength until cracks start leaking. Pokrovisk is a big one.


So, 2000 Ukrainian soldiers are able to hold off 50000+ Russian soldiers for 1.5 years. This sure does sound terrible..
Why are you worried about their lives so much when Russia is losing 30000 soldiers every month?

Also, Pokrovsk is not a big one, there's nothing there apart from some soldiers trying to stall Russia's advances - no critical infrastructure, no production facilities, nothing. It's not even half the size of Kramatorsk that's been preparing for this the entire war and it's the next big obstacle for Russia in Donetsk (and they haven't even started approaching it yet).

The onus here is on Russia to somehow prove they can take the rest of Donetsk so rapidly that the Ukrainians have to surrender it. So far they haven't proven they're capable of doing that.

[image loading]

This map shows Russian gains in the last 12 months.

Sure looks like Russia is on its way to capture all of Ukraine soon...

I am talking about myrnohrad.
Look up high way of death.
Not to mention Ukraine is likely losing their elite units like 38 bridage over there. Ukraine army is largely depending on them.

Pokrovsk is strategically important, not just the infrastructure but the position now destabilize a lot of front lines elsewhere


I did look it up. Recently Ukrainians have cleared the center of Pokrovsk (again) and also secured new supply and logistic routes into Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad, denying months of Russian efforts in the area.

It's getting tiresome hearing this "Pokrovsk is going to fall any moment now" for the past year...
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8731 Posts
November 29 2025 06:52 GMT
#17959
On November 29 2025 02:22 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2025 02:11 Jankisa wrote:
Interesting news coming out of Ukraine. Andrii Yermak, Zelenskyy's head of office resigned today after NABU (the anti-corruption body mandated by the EU that almost got shut down but Zelenskyy reversed the decision after protests) raided his apartment, so the guy seems to be involved in some corrupt shit, the investigation was a long one so I doubt they'd go in for someone this high up if they didn't have oodles of evidence.

This is good! I'm guessing he was behind the attempt to get NABU shut down, he failed and now they got him, as a contrast, I'm sure no one can even imagine an independent anti-corruption body taking down someone who is basically one of Putin's top confidants.

I'm sure the usual suspects will come over to tell us this is proof Ukraine is corrupt, to me, it's the proof of opposite, it's a country that is aware of it's corruption problem and dealing with it.

I can't wait for them to join us in EU so we can all laugh at the Russians who couldn't believe how even small towns and villages in Ukraine have indoor plumbing and paved roads, and that was before any real money came their way.

That's fair. Putin's top confidantes tend to fall out of windows before investigations even get started!


well it's clearly a point for Russia here. efficiency is the goal and the investigation done in the blink of an eye, between the drop out the window and the "landing" of the suspect.

kinda like in the good ol' times when we did trial by combat. you survive and you are innocent, or at least close enough.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3390 Posts
November 29 2025 08:22 GMT
#17960
On November 29 2025 02:11 Jankisa wrote:
Interesting news coming out of Ukraine. Andrii Yermak, Zelenskyy's head of office resigned today after NABU (the anti-corruption body mandated by the EU that almost got shut down but Zelenskyy reversed the decision after protests) raided his apartment, so the guy seems to be involved in some corrupt shit, the investigation was a long one so I doubt they'd go in for someone this high up if they didn't have oodles of evidence.

This is good! I'm guessing he was behind the attempt to get NABU shut down, he failed and now they got him, as a contrast, I'm sure no one can even imagine an independent anti-corruption body taking down someone who is basically one of Putin's top confidants.

That's one way of looking at things, but he was also Zelensky's right-hand man.
This might weaken Zelensky to the point where open political arguments break-out in his party and administration.
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