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Last Edited: 2025-11-26 02:55:48
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On November 26 2025 11:33 ETisME wrote:
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On November 26 2025 11:29 Manit0u wrote:
There is no existential crisis for Europe here. There might be for Russia though if they continue doing what they're doing.

EU Foreign Policy Chief: Kaja Kallas (at the time) stated, "Russia's war against Ukraine is an existential threat to Europe. We all want this war to end. But how it ends matters."
​European Commission Officials: Valdis Dombrovskis, Executive Vice President of the European Commission, characterized the invasion as an "existential crisis" for Europe.
​Baltic and Eastern European Leaders: Leaders from countries like Lithuania and Estonia—who feel the direct threat most acutely—have consistently used the term "existential threat" for both Ukraine and Europe.
​French President Emmanuel Macron has also hit back at Russian reactions to his own description of Moscow as an "existential threat to Europe," defending his statement by saying the Kremlin was piqued because the truth had been uncovered.
​A collective statement signed by foreign policy leaders from nations like France, Ireland, Poland, Spain, and the UK warned that the war—and the peace that follows—"will shape European security for generations and affect the existential interests of all Europeans."

not only is the war is called existential threat, France said Moscow itself is an existential threat, and how the war ends is an existential threat.

And look, EU gave a counter offer to the existential threat.


This is what they're saying to keep people supporting the war. If they kept saying it's no biggie and no problem people wouldn't care.

In any case, Zelensky agreed to the reviewed 19 point plan. Russia on the other hand doesn't want it so no peace will be reached because according to the leaks the Ukrainians didn't agree to anything that would go against their constitution (territorial integrity and joining NATO are in their constitution).

China has now hiked the prices of goods exported to Russia by 87% on average. It seems like Russia is losing friends everywhere now.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
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Last Edited: 2025-11-26 03:28:14
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#17882
On November 26 2025 11:55 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2025 11:33 ETisME wrote:
On November 26 2025 11:29 Manit0u wrote:
There is no existential crisis for Europe here. There might be for Russia though if they continue doing what they're doing.

EU Foreign Policy Chief: Kaja Kallas (at the time) stated, "Russia's war against Ukraine is an existential threat to Europe. We all want this war to end. But how it ends matters."
​European Commission Officials: Valdis Dombrovskis, Executive Vice President of the European Commission, characterized the invasion as an "existential crisis" for Europe.
​Baltic and Eastern European Leaders: Leaders from countries like Lithuania and Estonia—who feel the direct threat most acutely—have consistently used the term "existential threat" for both Ukraine and Europe.
​French President Emmanuel Macron has also hit back at Russian reactions to his own description of Moscow as an "existential threat to Europe," defending his statement by saying the Kremlin was piqued because the truth had been uncovered.
​A collective statement signed by foreign policy leaders from nations like France, Ireland, Poland, Spain, and the UK warned that the war—and the peace that follows—"will shape European security for generations and affect the existential interests of all Europeans."

not only is the war is called existential threat, France said Moscow itself is an existential threat, and how the war ends is an existential threat.

And look, EU gave a counter offer to the existential threat.


This is what they're saying to keep people supporting the war. If they kept saying it's no biggie and no problem people wouldn't care.

In any case, Zelensky agreed to the reviewed 19 point plan. Russia on the other hand doesn't want it so no peace will be reached because according to the leaks the Ukrainians didn't agree to anything that would go against their constitution (territorial integrity and joining NATO are in their constitution).

China has now hiked the prices of goods exported to Russia by 87% on average. It seems like Russia is losing friends everywhere now.

That's precisely my point to kwark.

Russian PR speech, stirring nationalism. Lots of it is propaganda and sure it has some degree of truth.
Not unlike Europe calling it existential threat and also has degree of truth but ultimately they are all on negotiation table.

Yes I did read about the China hike pricing as well, 87% over 4 years.
In fact it's so high that the overall trade volume is lower but the hike makes the total trade value similarish though.

Hard to say what is going on with Russian economy.
Many Chinese articles mentioned Russia economy is very self reliant and resilient, something they recommend replicating in China more and more.

Also they are still facing payment difficulties after the SWIFT cut off, and apparently it's getting worse after couple of years stabilising
And I can reassure you Chinese web is actually quite against what russia is doing, calling it self sabotaging etc. Not sure if that's to deter more Chinese joining the war effort.
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