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On November 25 2025 23:25 WombaT wrote: IIRC Jankisa never claimed that various banks weren’t looking into such things, merely that crypto isn’t some panacea for European economic issues. But I may be recalling incorrectly.
The thing I jumped over in the US politics thread and got baited in to a wider Crypto convo was his claim that EU is looking to adopt stable-coins because of this lie he spouted:
On November 10 2025 15:38 ETisME wrote: [And then there are still those who can't accept the fact that crypto is happening. EU still loving the CBDC idea, and they barely can catch up while the crypto adoption in retail are forcing them to finally move ahead.
Despite me first telling him that the EU initiative is about creating a digital Euro which isn't based on stable coin or any crypto technology (and is motivated by relying on USA fintech, not crypto) and asking for sources of EU retail adoption he kept on droning about unrelated things.
There is no retail adoption of crypto in EU countries, I believe everyone here from the continent can confirm. Holding crypto is not the same as paying for things in crypto. There is no adoption of crypto as a useful technology for aynthing other then gambling and drugs.
He is still refusing to admit that he has no idea (outside of a title of a think tank piece which he hasn't read) on how the EU Accession process works and is not really engaging with anything there other then "no you are wrong" because there are existing mechanisms that no one except a random think tank ever suggested for Ukraine.
Of course it's nonsense. No country will ever adopt crypto, neither will it ever be widely adopted in retail. Every country needs to be able to control its economy and printing or recalling money is one way of doing that. Also, good luck trying to do taxes on crypto...
But enough of that crypto bullshit.
The glorious Russian 28 peace plan was torn to shreds yesterday in Geneva. The new one is 19 points and more favorable towards Ukraine (no specifics as of yet). I think even Marco Rubio said that the original 28 point plan was basically a Russian wishlist and it wasn't drafted by the US.
On the front there are reports of Ukraine making some counter-attacks in Pokrovsk to recapture the city center.
A power plant in Moscow has been hit, giving Russia the taste of their own medicine hopefully.
Some parts of Russia are now also pretty deep in crisis. Yakutia freezes military bonuses because it's unable to meet its budget.
Also, even the most hardline pro-Russian telegram channels are now beginning to call for Putin to take a look at his own backyard: https://t.me/dontstopwar/23488
Translation:
Putin: These people, sitting on their golden thrones, hardly think about ordinary soldiers and the people of Ukraine.
With all due respect, many of our leaders do not think about our ordinary soldiers and people! Uncle Vova (ed: that's how they call Putin), there is such lawlessness going on behind your back, and unfortunately, we are no better. It's just that most of this pack, which spits on everyone, controls all the media and, guided by their position, does not allow anyone to point a finger at them! At the very least, we should be ashamed that we are collecting money for small children via text messages and that the warehouses are full of drones, while bureaucracy and fear of the leadership force our fighters to waste time and their own money or the money of volunteers so that, God forbid, they don't have to deal with military investigators or the military prosecutor's office.
I really don't get what is happening when it comes to US and Russia's approach to the last few days.
I mean, here, we made a plan, well, actually more of a wish list but our boy Donnie will say that this is it, take it or leave it or else.
The plan is not even announced, it's leaked and it seems to have been authored by a guy who got a special waiver to even get in to the US and is close Putin confidant, Kirill Dmitriev who met with Kushner (not even a government employee in any capacity) and known "doesn't know anything about Russia but is good at real-estate" guy Steve Witkoff.
Then Donnie took the plan as it was and told Ukrainians they have until Thanksgiving (because that day really holds a lot of significance for both them and Russians).
From there we got the usual song and dance, EU leaders being pissed, sending angry notes about being excluded, gathering hastily and making new proposals.
In the end we'll (I guess) end up in the same place as before, which is war goes on, nothing changes and Trump makes some angry noises at Russians for not playing ball and in 3 months we'll go do the same thing again.
On November 26 2025 04:16 Jankisa wrote:... Russians for not playing ball and in 3 months we'll go do the same thing again.
Well if we repeat it every 3 months it will work sooner or later. Since at some point Russia calls it quits and things actually gets moving.
Or Ukrainian military collapses enough that front lines moves a lot and thus Russian territory goals get mostly met. Seems less likely to me but the chance is there I guess.
On November 25 2025 23:25 WombaT wrote: IIRC Jankisa never claimed that various banks weren’t looking into such things, merely that crypto isn’t some panacea for European economic issues. But I may be recalling incorrectly.
The thing I jumped over in the US politics thread and got baited in to a wider Crypto convo was his claim that EU is looking to adopt stable-coins because of this lie he spouted:
On November 10 2025 15:38 ETisME wrote: [And then there are still those who can't accept the fact that crypto is happening. EU still loving the CBDC idea, and they barely can catch up while the crypto adoption in retail are forcing them to finally move ahead.
Despite me first telling him that the EU initiative is about creating a digital Euro which isn't based on stable coin or any crypto technology (and is motivated by relying on USA fintech, not crypto) and asking for sources of EU retail adoption he kept on droning about unrelated things.
There is no retail adoption of crypto in EU countries, I believe everyone here from the continent can confirm. Holding crypto is not the same as paying for things in crypto. There is no adoption of crypto as a useful technology for aynthing other then gambling and drugs.
He is still refusing to admit that he has no idea (outside of a title of a think tank piece which he hasn't read) on how the EU Accession process works and is not really engaging with anything there other then "no you are wrong" because there are existing mechanisms that no one except a random think tank ever suggested for Ukraine.
I never said digital euro is based on blockchain. You are arguing against yourself. I said EU is looking at adopting CBDC than crypto stablecoins, yet another case of more control rather than free market. And then I gave you a list of nations issuing their own digital stablecoins.
Stablecoins have massive adoption in Africa. (Hopefully you know that's a continent.) https://share.google/ziy2k0RNx4uPJkgNC Latin America is looking similar.
Venezula is using stablecoins for selling oil How Venezuela uses crypto to sell oil—and what the US should do about it - Atlantic Council https://share.google/BdV92gdgjrjKRTfU1
Also you are wrong on the article btw. I even told you the think tank pieces have given actual case examples. We done proving you wrong yet?
Here's a great interview/video from a Portuguese foreign fighter in Ukraine, talking about one of the operations that went wrong early on in 2022 (Filmed POV from one of his teammates). He also talks a bit about why he went to Ukraine and fought for their freedom.
On November 25 2025 23:25 WombaT wrote: IIRC Jankisa never claimed that various banks weren’t looking into such things, merely that crypto isn’t some panacea for European economic issues. But I may be recalling incorrectly.
The thing I jumped over in the US politics thread and got baited in to a wider Crypto convo was his claim that EU is looking to adopt stable-coins because of this lie he spouted:
On November 10 2025 15:38 ETisME wrote: [And then there are still those who can't accept the fact that crypto is happening. EU still loving the CBDC idea, and they barely can catch up while the crypto adoption in retail are forcing them to finally move ahead.
Despite me first telling him that the EU initiative is about creating a digital Euro which isn't based on stable coin or any crypto technology (and is motivated by relying on USA fintech, not crypto) and asking for sources of EU retail adoption he kept on droning about unrelated things.
There is no retail adoption of crypto in EU countries, I believe everyone here from the continent can confirm. Holding crypto is not the same as paying for things in crypto. There is no adoption of crypto as a useful technology for aynthing other then gambling and drugs.
He is still refusing to admit that he has no idea (outside of a title of a think tank piece which he hasn't read) on how the EU Accession process works and is not really engaging with anything there other then "no you are wrong" because there are existing mechanisms that no one except a random think tank ever suggested for Ukraine.
I never said digital euro is based on blockchain. You are arguing against yourself. I said EU is looking at adopting CBDC than crypto stablecoins, yet another case of more control rather than free market. And then I gave you a list of nations issuing their own digital stablecoins.
Stablecoins have massive adoption in Africa. (Hopefully you know that's a continent.) https://share.google/ziy2k0RNx4uPJkgNC Latin America is looking similar.
Venezula is using stablecoins for selling oil How Venezuela uses crypto to sell oil—and what the US should do about it - Atlantic Council https://share.google/BdV92gdgjrjKRTfU1
Also you are wrong on the article btw. I even told you the think tank pieces have given actual case examples. We done proving you wrong yet?
Who cares about fucking crypto? It’s not remotely relevant to this topic, and in general is total, total bullshit anyway.
On November 25 2025 23:25 WombaT wrote: IIRC Jankisa never claimed that various banks weren’t looking into such things, merely that crypto isn’t some panacea for European economic issues. But I may be recalling incorrectly.
The thing I jumped over in the US politics thread and got baited in to a wider Crypto convo was his claim that EU is looking to adopt stable-coins because of this lie he spouted:
On November 10 2025 15:38 ETisME wrote: [And then there are still those who can't accept the fact that crypto is happening. EU still loving the CBDC idea, and they barely can catch up while the crypto adoption in retail are forcing them to finally move ahead.
Despite me first telling him that the EU initiative is about creating a digital Euro which isn't based on stable coin or any crypto technology (and is motivated by relying on USA fintech, not crypto) and asking for sources of EU retail adoption he kept on droning about unrelated things.
There is no retail adoption of crypto in EU countries, I believe everyone here from the continent can confirm. Holding crypto is not the same as paying for things in crypto. There is no adoption of crypto as a useful technology for aynthing other then gambling and drugs.
He is still refusing to admit that he has no idea (outside of a title of a think tank piece which he hasn't read) on how the EU Accession process works and is not really engaging with anything there other then "no you are wrong" because there are existing mechanisms that no one except a random think tank ever suggested for Ukraine.
I never said digital euro is based on blockchain. You are arguing against yourself. I said EU is looking at adopting CBDC than crypto stablecoins, yet another case of more control rather than free market. And then I gave you a list of nations issuing their own digital stablecoins.
Stablecoins have massive adoption in Africa. (Hopefully you know that's a continent.) https://share.google/ziy2k0RNx4uPJkgNC Latin America is looking similar.
Venezula is using stablecoins for selling oil How Venezuela uses crypto to sell oil—and what the US should do about it - Atlantic Council https://share.google/BdV92gdgjrjKRTfU1
Also you are wrong on the article btw. I even told you the think tank pieces have given actual case examples. We done proving you wrong yet?
Who cares about fucking crypto? It’s not remotely relevant to this topic, and in general is total, total bullshit anyway.
I didn't bring it up. And doesn't matter what topic it is. If he's wrong I am showing him/her why he's wrong. Having access to proxy dollar is massive for many things. Especially not relying on SWIFT.
On November 26 2025 04:16 Jankisa wrote:... Russians for not playing ball and in 3 months we'll go do the same thing again.
Well if we repeat it every 3 months it will work sooner or later. Since at some point Russia calls it quits and things actually gets moving.
Or Ukrainian military collapses enough that front lines moves a lot and thus Russian territory goals get mostly met. Seems less likely to me but the chance is there I guess.
More negotiations should always be welcomed.
Russia is not going on negotiation table until the deal looks "reasonable". The US knows and can work closer with Ukraine, so they will always start off with unfavourable terms for Ukraine and get it ironed out. EU can throw whatever they want in there and hope for the best.
Imo if we looked at the original 28 points proposal, other than the extremely pro russia one like giving away uncontested land, there's a few that looking more concrete than ever.
The use of Russian frozen asset for rebuild effort, how it would look. US now gives security guarantee under listed conditions. The rebuild effort. Euroepan jets stationing in poland Ukraine to have religious and languages tolerance under EU law Ukraine still can trade through Dnipro river
Don't see many talking about this but ukraine has already lost significant access to the sea.
How is stationing European jets in Poland relevant or important? The only thing it does is giving russia an excuse to whine about stationing American jets in Poland, or any other NATO member's equipment that isn't jets.
Since when are we living in isolated bubble? If that was the case, Cuba missiles crisis would have never been a crisis. Having European jets in Poland, a NATO member, would have been seen as NATO expansion. This gives European allies and NATO a much stronger deterrence if russia invades again. Kwark, you should be jizzing yourself for it, since russia will always invade again based on your belief.
On November 26 2025 06:55 ETisME wrote: Since when are we living in isolated bubble? If that was the case, Cuba missiles crisis would have never been a crisis. Having European jets in Poland, a NATO member, would have been seen as NATO expansion. This gives European allies and NATO a much stronger deterrence if russia invades again. Kwark, you should be jizzing yourself for it, since russia will always invade again based on your belief.
Poland is European and already has Polish (thus european and NATO) fighter jets in Poland. Allowing Poland to keep doing what it already does on its own sovereign territory is utterly weird.
What is next, does Germany get to have German policemen in Germany? Maybe the US wants some american ships in american waters?
On November 26 2025 06:55 ETisME wrote: Since when are we living in isolated bubble? If that was the case, Cuba missiles crisis would have never been a crisis. Having European jets in Poland, a NATO member, would have been seen as NATO expansion. This gives European allies and NATO a much stronger deterrence if russia invades again. Kwark, you should be jizzing yourself for it, since russia will always invade again based on your belief.
Poland is European and already has Polish (thus european and NATO) fighter jets in Poland. Allowing Poland to keep doing what it already does on its own sovereign territory is utterly weird.
What is next, does Germany get to have German policemen in Germany? Maybe the US wants some american ships in american waters?
Now it's expanded to allowing European jets, not just polish jets. Why do you think this was in the 28points lol
On November 26 2025 06:55 ETisME wrote: Since when are we living in isolated bubble? If that was the case, Cuba missiles crisis would have never been a crisis. Having European jets in Poland, a NATO member, would have been seen as NATO expansion. This gives European allies and NATO a much stronger deterrence if russia invades again. Kwark, you should be jizzing yourself for it, since russia will always invade again based on your belief.
You know of course that NATO and US can and are stationing their jets in Poland already, right? Russia has no say in what can and can't be stationed in Poland.
AWACS are flying constantly near the Ukrainian border to provide intel.
Hell, Poland could even station Chinese fighter jets if it wanted I think.
On November 26 2025 06:55 ETisME wrote: Since when are we living in isolated bubble? If that was the case, Cuba missiles crisis would have never been a crisis. Having European jets in Poland, a NATO member, would have been seen as NATO expansion. This gives European allies and NATO a much stronger deterrence if russia invades again. Kwark, you should be jizzing yourself for it, since russia will always invade again based on your belief.
Poland is European and already has Polish (thus european and NATO) fighter jets in Poland. Allowing Poland to keep doing what it already does on its own sovereign territory is utterly weird.
What is next, does Germany get to have German policemen in Germany? Maybe the US wants some american ships in american waters?
Now it's expanded to allowing European jets, not just polish jets. Why do you think this was in the 28points lol
There are Dutch and Norwegian jets stationed in Poland after the drone incursions.
On November 26 2025 06:55 ETisME wrote: Since when are we living in isolated bubble? If that was the case, Cuba missiles crisis would have never been a crisis. Having European jets in Poland, a NATO member, would have been seen as NATO expansion. This gives European allies and NATO a much stronger deterrence if russia invades again. Kwark, you should be jizzing yourself for it, since russia will always invade again based on your belief.
You know of course that NATO and US can and are stationing their jets in Poland already, right? Russia has no say in what can and can't be stationed in Poland.
AWACS are flying constantly near the Ukrainian border to provide intel.
Hell, Poland could even station Chinese fighter jets if it wanted.
It is to make clear to Russia, Poland can and will station European jets. What's hard to understand here?
Also if this isn't as big of a deal, then : Poland has rejected this, PM said ""Nothing about us without us," And the EU revision of the 28 points have removed this.
Guess Poland has a lot of objections against what many here considered not a big deal aye.
On November 26 2025 06:55 ETisME wrote: Since when are we living in isolated bubble? If that was the case, Cuba missiles crisis would have never been a crisis. Having European jets in Poland, a NATO member, would have been seen as NATO expansion. This gives European allies and NATO a much stronger deterrence if russia invades again. Kwark, you should be jizzing yourself for it, since russia will always invade again based on your belief.
You know of course that NATO and US can and are stationing their jets in Poland already, right? Russia has no say in what can and can't be stationed in Poland.
AWACS are flying constantly near the Ukrainian border to provide intel.
Hell, Poland could even station Chinese fighter jets if it wanted.
It is to make clear to Russia, Poland can and will station European jets. What's hard to understand here?
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