EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 862
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ZeroByte13
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GreenHorizons
United States23810 Posts
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LightSpectra
United States2400 Posts
On September 24 2025 02:34 ZeroByte13 wrote: Europe betrays USA again. Wdym? America's been telling Europe to up their defense spending for decades. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8247 Posts
On September 24 2025 02:44 LightSpectra wrote: Wdym? America's been telling Europe to up their defense spending for decades. "Not like that!" - Trump, probably | ||
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ZeroByte13
785 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1329 Posts
On September 24 2025 02:40 GreenHorizons wrote: Germany arming up just in time for the AfD to take control over all those shiny new weapons. Cool... European democracies, especially the ones like Germany, due to the lack of political duopoly and generally a lot of their populations being well off are much more resilient to hostile fascist takeovers then USA is and was. Things would have to go way sideways for Germany under governance of someone who is not relatively conservative already for AfD to actually get to a point where they can rule on their own and have the popular support to do crazy shit. I think you might be projecting their stance on Israel a bit too far and judging them as a whole nation ready for mayhem, they are definitely not. They are, tho, industrial powerhouse, and they are also very firm and big supporters of Ukraine, across the board if you exclude AfD and communists, so if, as it looks like it, the conflicts drags on to a point where all the plans for re-armament and industrialization for weaponry come online Ukraine will be the testing grounds for all these toys, just in the hands of Ukrainians, who will, if everything pans out and they hold strong, be able to kick the invaders out. I am, of course, perhaps way overly optimistic on this long term view but here's hoping. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17715 Posts
On September 24 2025 08:14 Jankisa wrote: I am, of course, perhaps way overly optimistic on this long term view but here's hoping. I think that most people participating in this thread are hoping that the conflict will resolve favorably for Ukraine (and hoping even more for it to happen sooner rather than later). | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17715 Posts
We'll see what happens next week and if he won't change his mind until then. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11792 Posts
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KwarK
United States43828 Posts
the original Borders from where this War started, is very much an option Russia invaded in 2014 and has been fighting since then so logically he would mean that except it's entirely possible he doesn't know that Russia invaded in 2014. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10871 Posts
On September 24 2025 21:13 Simberto wrote: Trump clearly has the issue surrounded. He sits on top of it and is spinning wildly. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8247 Posts
On September 25 2025 01:02 KwarK wrote: It was very unclear whether Trump included Crimea. Russia invaded in 2014 and has been fighting since then so logically he would mean that except it's entirely possible he doesn't know that Russia invaded in 2014. I think you've already given this way more thought than Trump ever has. It's likely he has no idea when the war started, other than that it was Biden's fault, like everything is. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12425 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23810 Posts
On September 25 2025 01:58 Nebuchad wrote: He probably didn't even realize that he was saying something meaningful, he's freestyling just about all the time. I think people are also misreading what he meant. I think he was basically just saying "Yeah, because of me telling you to spend more on military, you can win against Russia. So you guys should totally do that now". He's essentially checked out and considers it a European problem now. A sort of Tuxedo Mask meme moment if you will. | ||
zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8247 Posts
After nearly 3 years of war, entirely of their own doing, Russia claims they have no choice but to continue to wage war, because it's about Russia's future. All the people maimed and dying in the process are somehow not part of that equation | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17715 Posts
On September 25 2025 16:24 Excludos wrote: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/9/24/russia-says-no-choice-but-war-after-trump-u-turn-on-ukraine After nearly 3 years of war, entirely of their own doing, Russia claims they have no choice but to continue to wage war, because it's about Russia's future. All the people maimed and dying in the process are somehow not part of that equation Russia is not a reasonable actor and they also don't care about their people at all, they haven't for over a century now. Losing people is of no consequence to them, losing land however is unthinkable. I also really enjoyed them talking that Ukraine is incapable of taking back any territory when they've just lost 300sqkm this week and overall they have lost more territory than they have captured since 2022. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17715 Posts
Plenty of Russian drones were spotted over Denmark. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6271 Posts
On September 25 2025 15:30 zatic wrote: Trump also just parrots whatever the person he talked to last told him. Just wait for another call with Putin and him berating Zelensky for starting a war against Russia again. That's too much of a simplification. There are subjects where he changes positions. There are also subjects where he does not such as tariffs. Prior to his second term there was no way to know how his position on Ukraine would develop. He has also consistently become more pro Ukraine over months despite talking to Putin. It started from him repeating only Russian talking points with Russia "holding all the cards" and a shouting match with Zelensky in the White House to a ceasefire where both parties had to swap land to his latest tweet. Trump is never going to give Ukraine aid packages like Biden. He's too transactional for that. Still, at least he's selling US weapons and putting some pressure on the EU on sanctions (e.g. buying Russian oil till 2027) . The counterfactual would've been Trump completely abandoning Ukraine, forcing them into an unfavorable ceasefire. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5778 Posts
He's also not putting pressure on the EU regarding sanctions. He's looking for an excuse to lift sanctions by accusing the EU of buying Russian gas/oil, when in reality the biggest offenders are his buddies like Orban and Fico. | ||
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