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Jankisa
Croatia586 Posts
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Billyboy
1013 Posts
An Egyptian source with knowledge of the matter told CNN on Wednesday that Hamas has submitted its response on Gaza ceasefire and hostage deal, but “did not meet the expectations” of Qatari and Egyptian mediators. The source said mediators in return have “asked Hamas to submit a revised response that could enable progress toward reaching a deal.” “The mediators are pushing for the updated reply to arrive today,” the source added. An Israeli source has said: “Hamas’s response was received by the mediators and was unacceptable even to them.” “Israel hasn’t even officially received the reply. It is fundamentally different from what was on the table,” the source told CNN on Wednesday. Following Hamas’ response, two far-right Israeli ministers have called on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to continue the war in Gaza until Hamas is “destroyed.” “(The) time has come to close the door once and for all on a partial deal,” Israel’s Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said Wednesday in a statement addressed to Netanyahu. “We should not be talking to Hamas. Hamas must be destroyed – no humanitarian aid, no surrender deals,” Israel’s National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir also said. As a side note, Netanyahu is blaming Hamas for the starvation saying enough aid is getting in. Horrible if true, but highly unlikely. Israeli government spokesperson David Mencer has told reporters that Israel is not responsible for any food shortages or hunger in Gaza. “In Gaza today there is no famine caused by Israel,” Mencer said at a media briefing on Wednesday. “There is, however, a man-made shortage engineered by Hamas. Now, too often the full story is not being told. The suffering exists because Hamas has created it. The suffering exists because Hamas has made it.” More than 100 humanitarian aid organizations have called on Israel to allow the full flow of food and clean water into Gaza, with the director of Oxfam telling CNN that full-scale famine is imminent while aid is “being systematically restricted by the Government of Israel.” Mencer dismissed the criticism of aid organizations Wednesday, claiming that “these are false warnings.” The US and Israeli-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) also claimed in a statement to CNN that United Nations aid is being “looted” by Hamas and others. The UN reported this week that over 1,000 Palestinians have been killed seeking aid in Gaza since late May when GHF began operating in the strip. Of those, hundreds were killed near GHF sites, according to the UN. GHF called the figure “false and exaggerated,” and said it appears “to come directly from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry.” Both the UN and US officials have previously appraised the figures from the Ministry of Health in Gaza as credible. | ||
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PremoBeats
385 Posts
The issue has mostly been Hamas stealing, hoarding and reselling aid at inflated prices on the black market to make a quick buck for more rockets off the backs of "their" population, beating and torturing Palestinians who tried to "steal" some of the food and aid like they have been doing for decades. So, pretty likely to be true, as this is a recurring theme in this conflict. The collective punishment is still inexcusable, but the stated goal and intent by Israel has always been to hunger out Hamas, not the population... the cruel but necessary distinction between a war crime and genocide. And didn't MP leave this thread before after posting some nonsense about fascism? How did the shitshow of the last pages even come to pass, lol :D On the issue of his ban: a warning would be good... same goes for applying a standard. There were many more bannable things going on in this thread since I joined, so I'd let MP back into the fun. | ||
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Billyboy
1013 Posts
Aside from that collective punishment very rarely works, it often has done the opposite and make people more willing to fight against you. And it has no chance working here because Hamas does not care whether the Gazan's suffer or die. They either justify it as them having a better afterlife, they think destruction of Israel and killing all that supported them is worth that cost, or they are just evil and don't care anymore. No matter the reason it is clearly a bad military strategy which makes the use of it pretty clearly not for military purposes. As an aside most people wouldn't care if they were accused of a war crime or genocide in a court, the punishments are not different depending on the war crime. Like if you get convicted of the war crime of intentionally killing civilians or genocide, the needle feels the same and has the same outcome. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21666 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35143 Posts
On July 24 2025 05:30 PremoBeats wrote: Well, we actually know how much food went in and how much is needed. The math on that actually is not very hard to do. The issue has mostly been Hamas stealing, hoarding and reselling aid at inflated prices on the black market to make a quick buck for more rockets off the backs of "their" population, beating and torturing Palestinians who tried to "steal" some of the food and aid like they have been doing for decades. So, pretty likely to be true, as this is a recurring theme in this conflict. The collective punishment is still inexcusable, but the stated goal and intent by Israel has always been to hunger out Hamas, not the population... the cruel but necessary distinction between a war crime and genocide. And didn't MP leave this thread before after posting some nonsense about fascism? How did the shitshow of the last pages even come to pass, lol :D On the issue of his ban: a warning would be good... same goes for applying a standard. There were many more bannable things going on in this thread since I joined, so I'd let MP back into the fun. What money do you actually think is left to sell thing for? If the goal is to starve (hunger out, btw, is a wild term) Hamas and Hamas supposedly has the ability to take the food from the populace then starving the population isn't some unfortunate byproduct, it's the goal. They stop making a "quick buck" to make rockets if aid flowed freely and they weren't committing perfidy with what trickle is allowed instead. | ||
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