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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25231 Posts
July 21 2025 23:34 GMT
#9201
On July 22 2025 08:23 evilfatsh1t wrote:
would be satisfying for almost everyone if magic powers just said "ok im wrong". but it wont end because he has to get in the last word

I feel if both were biologically immortal, Kwark and Magic could potentially keep this going to the heat death of the universe. It’s like a non-hypothetical example of the unstoppable force versus the immovable object.

But aye. For fuck’s sake. Although I guess at least it’s less depressing than the thread’s actual topic to read about.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
July 22 2025 00:35 GMT
#9202
On July 22 2025 08:23 evilfatsh1t wrote:
would be satisfying for almost everyone if magic powers just said "ok im wrong". but it wont end because he has to get in the last word


I don't think that satisfaction should be a high priority. We're just a bunch of boomers discussing politics with friends, despite how many of you will deny that.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1926 Posts
July 22 2025 05:53 GMT
#9203
I am not a boomer. How dare you.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4091 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-22 08:11:38
July 22 2025 08:10 GMT
#9204
On July 22 2025 08:23 evilfatsh1t wrote:
would be satisfying for almost everyone if magic powers just said "ok im wrong". but it wont end because he has to get in the last word


If the person who's objectively right just said he's objectively wrong, everything would be fine /s

Not doing it. When people are wrong, they deserve pushback until they accept they are wrong. If the majority of people make bad arguments, then they're wrong. It's that simple.

Again. Can those two things be true at the same time?

1. You serve in the Wehrmacht.

2. You did not commit any war crimes.

Yes or no. Simple question. I'm now asking this question to everyone in this discussion. There's a correct answer and there's an incorrect answer. You can either be right, or you can be wrong. You choose.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1926 Posts
July 22 2025 09:11 GMT
#9205
There is noone in this discussion anymore but you, discuss among yourself. Might i suggest a different forum?
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4091 Posts
July 22 2025 10:01 GMT
#9206
On July 22 2025 18:11 Broetchenholer wrote:
There is noone in this discussion anymore but you, discuss among yourself. Might i suggest a different forum?


Tell that to everyone, otherwise it's obvious you don't actually mean what you say.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-22 10:20:09
July 22 2025 10:19 GMT
#9207
On July 22 2025 19:01 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2025 18:11 Broetchenholer wrote:
There is noone in this discussion anymore but you, discuss among yourself. Might i suggest a different forum?


Tell that to everyone, otherwise it's obvious you don't actually mean what you say.
No we all want you to shut up.

Literally everyone told you you were wrong and you still can't get that through your head, if you want to talk about the Palestine conflict without twisting peoples words then go right ahead but if you feel the overwhelming urge to go off topic, take it somewhere else.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4091 Posts
July 22 2025 10:45 GMT
#9208
On July 22 2025 19:19 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2025 19:01 Magic Powers wrote:
On July 22 2025 18:11 Broetchenholer wrote:
There is noone in this discussion anymore but you, discuss among yourself. Might i suggest a different forum?


Tell that to everyone, otherwise it's obvious you don't actually mean what you say.
No we all want you to shut up.

Literally everyone told you you were wrong and you still can't get that through your head, if you want to talk about the Palestine conflict without twisting peoples words then go right ahead but if you feel the overwhelming urge to go off topic, take it somewhere else.


Uh-huh. The people who are making the argument that both of my grandfathers were Nazis want me to shut up. Me, the one who knows that neither of them were Nazis, is the one who should shut up. The innocent should shut up, the bullies should get away with bullying. I see your priorities.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10700 Posts
July 22 2025 12:28 GMT
#9209
Yes, your basically a prosecuted minority. Now better go hide before everyone comes for you.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4091 Posts
July 22 2025 13:37 GMT
#9210
On July 22 2025 21:28 Velr wrote:
Yes, your basically a prosecuted minority. Now better go hide before everyone comes for you.


How does it feel being a good little KwarK minion?

User was temp banned for this post.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
jackabroy
Profile Joined July 2025
1 Post
July 22 2025 20:52 GMT
#9211
Yeah, it is heartbreaking. The people there are suffering and need peace and support.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia594 Posts
July 23 2025 11:34 GMT
#9212
So the guy got banned for, being annoying?

I'm aware that there is no real freedom of speech in places like this, but you guys all engaged with him on this ridiculous tangent, collectively derailed the thread and then banned the guy because he was being annoying to a moderator and wouldn't back down from his position?

Seems pretty silly and petty, on top of basically shutting down any relevant discussion in this thread.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9646 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-23 11:50:20
July 23 2025 11:49 GMT
#9213
On July 23 2025 20:34 Jankisa wrote:
So the guy got banned for, being annoying?

I'm aware that there is no real freedom of speech in places like this, but you guys all engaged with him on this ridiculous tangent, collectively derailed the thread and then banned the guy because he was being annoying to a moderator and wouldn't back down from his position?

Seems pretty silly and petty, on top of basically shutting down any relevant discussion in this thread.

This discussion was entirely, 100% irrelevant and he wouldn't let it go.
Were you actually enjoying reading about whether or not he said something earlier this year?
RIP Meatloaf <3
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12172 Posts
July 23 2025 12:06 GMT
#9214
On July 23 2025 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2025 20:34 Jankisa wrote:
So the guy got banned for, being annoying?

I'm aware that there is no real freedom of speech in places like this, but you guys all engaged with him on this ridiculous tangent, collectively derailed the thread and then banned the guy because he was being annoying to a moderator and wouldn't back down from his position?

Seems pretty silly and petty, on top of basically shutting down any relevant discussion in this thread.

This discussion was entirely, 100% irrelevant and he wouldn't let it go.
Were you actually enjoying reading about whether or not he said something earlier this year?


The ban can be defended easily but there are many many other people that could have been banned using that standard and weren't.
No will to live, no wish to die
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9646 Posts
July 23 2025 12:13 GMT
#9215
On July 23 2025 21:06 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2025 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2025 20:34 Jankisa wrote:
So the guy got banned for, being annoying?

I'm aware that there is no real freedom of speech in places like this, but you guys all engaged with him on this ridiculous tangent, collectively derailed the thread and then banned the guy because he was being annoying to a moderator and wouldn't back down from his position?

Seems pretty silly and petty, on top of basically shutting down any relevant discussion in this thread.

This discussion was entirely, 100% irrelevant and he wouldn't let it go.
Were you actually enjoying reading about whether or not he said something earlier this year?


The ban can be defended easily but there are many many other people that could have been banned using that standard and weren't.

There's a politics feedback thread:
https://tl.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-feedback-thread
For conversations exactly this one, feel free to post in there about it
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia594 Posts
July 23 2025 12:43 GMT
#9216
On July 23 2025 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2025 20:34 Jankisa wrote:
So the guy got banned for, being annoying?

I'm aware that there is no real freedom of speech in places like this, but you guys all engaged with him on this ridiculous tangent, collectively derailed the thread and then banned the guy because he was being annoying to a moderator and wouldn't back down from his position?

Seems pretty silly and petty, on top of basically shutting down any relevant discussion in this thread.

This discussion was entirely, 100% irrelevant and he wouldn't let it go.
Were you actually enjoying reading about whether or not he said something earlier this year?


I did not, I did mention that this was a ridiculous tangent and I didn't read it at all because I learned to skip large swaths of conversations here and in the other threads which come down to bickering and semantics.

I also tried, at a few occasions to bring the conversation back on topic and engage with the only other user doing the same who apparently gave up after a while.

None of that changes my question. Many times in this and US politics threads there would arise this sort of a meta conversation between a few users which wold end up in jabbing, bickering, provoking etc. This is the first time I saw one of the participants banned with no warning, so I wanted to bring it up.

I'm generally against banning unless it's spam, extremely bad faith or harassment, so I wanted to check what happened here.

Thank you for pointing me at the feedback thread, I'll check it out as I can see there is discussion of that ban there.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-23 15:22:56
July 23 2025 15:21 GMT
#9217
On July 23 2025 21:06 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2025 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2025 20:34 Jankisa wrote:
So the guy got banned for, being annoying?

I'm aware that there is no real freedom of speech in places like this, but you guys all engaged with him on this ridiculous tangent, collectively derailed the thread and then banned the guy because he was being annoying to a moderator and wouldn't back down from his position?

Seems pretty silly and petty, on top of basically shutting down any relevant discussion in this thread.

This discussion was entirely, 100% irrelevant and he wouldn't let it go.
Were you actually enjoying reading about whether or not he said something earlier this year?


The ban can be defended easily but there are many many other people that could have been banned using that standard and weren't.

It shouldn't have just been him, for sure. I think our little community would benefit a lot from some actual slaps on the wrist here and there to prevent the personal back and forth that's become way too prevalent lately.

On July 23 2025 21:43 Jankisa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2025 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 23 2025 20:34 Jankisa wrote:
So the guy got banned for, being annoying?

I'm aware that there is no real freedom of speech in places like this, but you guys all engaged with him on this ridiculous tangent, collectively derailed the thread and then banned the guy because he was being annoying to a moderator and wouldn't back down from his position?

Seems pretty silly and petty, on top of basically shutting down any relevant discussion in this thread.

This discussion was entirely, 100% irrelevant and he wouldn't let it go.
Were you actually enjoying reading about whether or not he said something earlier this year?

I'm generally against banning unless it's spam, extremely bad faith or harassment, so I wanted to check what happened here.

Thank you for pointing me at the feedback thread, I'll check it out as I can see there is discussion of that ban there.


I think using bans to serve a role similar to a mute on Discord is reasonable. Give someone 6 hours to cool off a bit etc
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia594 Posts
July 23 2025 16:23 GMT
#9218
OK, I read up on it and I guess I get it, time out seems appropriate.

What would be even more appropriate, from a perspective of a relative newcomer to these threads is a warning (first) and a notification (later) why this happened, otherwise, if we need to know about the feedback thread and read all of that in order to understand what happened in the background it's impossible for newer people to know how to moderate their behavior and learn from this.

I get a feeling from the other thread that everyone is kind of jaded and thinks nothing can be done to bring up the quality of discussion, but a bare minimum would be to post the reason for the ban as well as the duration.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
July 23 2025 16:48 GMT
#9219
On July 24 2025 01:23 Jankisa wrote:
OK, I read up on it and I guess I get it, time out seems appropriate.

What would be even more appropriate, from a perspective of a relative newcomer to these threads is a warning (first) and a notification (later) why this happened, otherwise, if we need to know about the feedback thread and read all of that in order to understand what happened in the background it's impossible for newer people to know how to moderate their behavior and learn from this.

I get a feeling from the other thread that everyone is kind of jaded and thinks nothing can be done to bring up the quality of discussion, but a bare minimum would be to post the reason for the ban as well as the duration.


I think you're looking for this https://tl.net/forum/closed-threads/32696-automated-ban-list-latest-levitrafootball?page=3921#78409
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia594 Posts
July 23 2025 17:55 GMT
#9220
Thank you, appreciate it!
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
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