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On July 28 2024 02:48 Cricketer12 wrote:
Didn't Hezbollah respond to an Israeli airstrike or am I missing someting?
Which was already a response to their previous attack that was aimed at the American embassy, but landed short, only killing one civilian.
This one is so much worse. It hit a playground. 9 children dead (as of writing), 17 more critical, and dosens more wounded. This isn't going to be just a retaliatory attack and then pretend to be done with it, this will be an invasion.
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Yeah, IDF killed 4 Radwan commanders, not children playing soccer as Hebollah did today
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Israel has and is still murdering dozen of thousand of children and indirectly kill even more. They straight up showering children with bullets : https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab
They striked another school with +30 victims a few hours ago but a rocket which killed a few israeli on a annexed territory revives this thread ?
Lol, what a hypocrisy
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I don’t think anyone in thread is saying that those aren’t travesties, but one is business as usual, the other may precipitate the further escalation of the conflict.
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On July 28 2024 04:08 WombaT wrote:
I don’t think anyone in thread is saying that those aren’t travesties, but one is business as usual, the other may precipitate the further escalation of the conflict.
They know, friend.
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On July 28 2024 02:48 Cricketer12 wrote:
Didn't Hezbollah respond to an Israeli airstrike or am I missing someting?
Hezbollah has zero reason to even be shooting rockets at Israel. Hezbollah did not respond to anything. They've been the agressor against Israel since October 7.
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Eh, both sides can continue killing each other until no one is left for all I care. United States should just mind its own business, while Russia and China mind everybody else's. Wait a minute, why are they flying bombers in our backyards (Alaska) now? Russia wants all that oil back or something?
Why are other countries aiming their nukes at us? Just when did we let them tech to nukes in the first place?! I just want to mind my own business, why won't these assholes leave me the fuck alone?!?!
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I guess that after this many rockets fired a catastrophic success was only a matter of time.
Some response is a given, but it's also hard to imagine IDF rolling on Beirut 3 months before elections in US.
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Looks like the response from Israel came today. A strike in Beirut that targetted and killed(according to Israeli news) Hezbollahs second in command.
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Another one bites the dust.
IDF took out Hamas #1 when he visited Teheran.
Wonderful news to start this wednesday
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-chief-ismail-haniyeh-killed-iran-hamas-says-statement-2024-07-31/
"CAIRO, July 31 (Reuters) - Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in the early hours of the morning in Iran, the Palestinian militant group Hamas said on Wednesday, describing the strike as a "severe escalation" that would not achieve its goals.
Iran's Revolutionary Guards confirmed the death of Haniyeh, hours after he attended a swearing in ceremony for the country's new president, and said it was investigating.
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It's a amazing that anyone can have the gall to call killing a leader, in the midst of a war that's slowly reducing an entire region to a car park, a "Severe escalation". Really shows their mindset.
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The Hezbollah strike was Surprising lenient (at least so far) but assassination in Iran shows that Israel thinks it has escalation dominance.
We will see if serious response happens but either way the cease fire negotiations are not likely to get anywhere soon.
This might be heading to another forever-war.
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On July 31 2024 23:56 pmp10 wrote:
The Hezbollah strike was Surprising lenient (at least so far) but assassination in Iran shows that Israel thinks it has escalation dominance.
We will see if serious response happens but either way the cease fire negotiations are not likely to get anywhere soon.
This might be heading to another forever-war.
If we completely ignore Iran attacking Israel through proxies has everyone ignored the large conventional strike Iran launched themselves? Something that most countries would considered a clear act of war.
I don't see how killing a terrorist leader in Iran can even be considered escalation at all.
And yes Israel has escalation dominance. Iran is trying their hardest to hurt Israel and the only times we notice is the rare instance when they get through.
Meanwhile Israel can do everything between assasinating targets at will in Iran to nuking everyone in the country in less than 15 minutes.
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On July 31 2024 20:04 Excludos wrote:
It's a amazing that anyone can have the gall to call killing a leader, in the midst of a war that's slowly reducing an entire region to a car park, a "Severe escalation". Really shows their mindset.
I honestly think it should be the expected outcome in a war. Killing opponent leadership until the state collapses or you get somebody more willing to support whatever outcome you are striving for. It is likely to be much cheaper than trying to win a war on the ground, especially now a days when you can find somebody using the internet/satellites and then reach hundreds or even thousands of kilometers out.
It is a clear act of war against Hamas. But Israel already consider themselves at war, so it is a logical action.
Doing it in a third party nation is the interesting dynamic. Iran isn't one though, so it doesn't play into it here.
Edit. Russian war of aggression against Ukraine is a good example. If Putin and his ministers died it is likely that war is over quickly. Instead we are trending towards a million casualties.
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If I'm being honest, I'm starting to be convinced that it's unlikely that Israel makes it through this. There's no path for Netanyahu that isn't further and further into escalation, and he's already at the "I'm giving fascist speeches at Congress" stage so there's not a ton more stairs after that. But yeah I could be biased because I also can't wait to finally be in the time period where liberals "had no way of knowing what was really happening"
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On August 01 2024 01:41 Nebuchad wrote:
If I'm being honest, I'm starting to be convinced that it's unlikely that Israel makes it through this. There's no path for Netanyahu that isn't further and further into escalation, and he's already at the "I'm giving fascist speeches at Congress" stage so there's not a ton more stairs after that. But yeah I could be biased because I also can't wait to finally be in the time period where liberals "had no way of knowing what was really happening"
"I've never even heard of Sde Teiman?!"- Liberals soon™
Lawmaker Hanoch Milwidsky was asked as he defended the alleged abuse whether it was legitimate, "to insert a stick into a person's rectum?"
"Yes!" he shouted in reply to his fellow parliamentarian. "If he is a Nukhba [Hamas militant], everything is legitimate to do! Everything!"
www.cbsnews.com
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On August 01 2024 01:41 Nebuchad wrote:
If I'm being honest, I'm starting to be convinced that it's unlikely that Israel makes it through this. There's no path for Netanyahu that isn't further and further into escalation, and he's already at the "I'm giving fascist speeches at Congress" stage so there's not a ton more stairs after that. But yeah I could be biased because I also can't wait to finally be in the time period where liberals "had no way of knowing what was really happening"
What do you mean by this? What does Israel "not making it" look like?
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On August 01 2024 01:06 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2024 23:56 pmp10 wrote:
The Hezbollah strike was Surprising lenient (at least so far) but assassination in Iran shows that Israel thinks it has escalation dominance.
We will see if serious response happens but either way the cease fire negotiations are not likely to get anywhere soon.
This might be heading to another forever-war.
I don't see how killing a terrorist leader in Iran can even be considered escalation at all.
It's an escalation precisely because the man was hosted in Iran.
Just how Iranian direct attack on Israel was an escalation.
The rules of the game are changing and the future is looking ugly.
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On August 01 2024 03:32 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2024 01:06 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On July 31 2024 23:56 pmp10 wrote:
The Hezbollah strike was Surprising lenient (at least so far) but assassination in Iran shows that Israel thinks it has escalation dominance.
We will see if serious response happens but either way the cease fire negotiations are not likely to get anywhere soon.
This might be heading to another forever-war.
I don't see how killing a terrorist leader in Iran can even be considered escalation at all. It's an escalation precisely because the man was hosted in Iran. Just how Iranian direct attack on Israel was an escalation. The rules of the game are changing and the future is looking ugly.
Just like when the US escalated WWII at the battle of midway by sinking Japanese carriers...
An escalation is when one side of a conflict crosses a new line. Iran has already attacked Israeli military airfields directly.
So Israel could launch direct strikes at Irans military in Iran and that would not be an escalation.
Thus I fail to see how assasinating a non-Iranian target would be an escalation.
But I also know that there are many people who have a separate scale of escalation for Israel and their enemies where Israel is always supposed to be several steps down on the ladder in order to not be the aggressor.
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On August 01 2024 03:22 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2024 01:41 Nebuchad wrote:
If I'm being honest, I'm starting to be convinced that it's unlikely that Israel makes it through this. There's no path for Netanyahu that isn't further and further into escalation, and he's already at the "I'm giving fascist speeches at Congress" stage so there's not a ton more stairs after that. But yeah I could be biased because I also can't wait to finally be in the time period where liberals "had no way of knowing what was really happening" What do you mean by this? What does Israel "not making it" look like?
It looks like what happened in South Africa, but with different details. I don't think the Apartheid regime makes it through this if there isn't a severe deescalation, and no reasonable person can count on fascists deescalating.
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