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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12341 Posts
July 09 2024 11:44 GMT
#5901
Uldridge: => "Don't you get it? They can't do it explicitly, because that would dry up their big Benjamins stream real quick.
They need to genocide covertly so that no one (i.e. everyone) can understand what they are actually doing.
It's so easy to paint everything black and white
"

This looks sarcastic so I'm curious why this isn't true?
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T0mken
Profile Joined March 2014
Norway78 Posts
July 19 2024 17:50 GMT
#5902
Would the people of Palestinia work together peacefully if there were no jews in Israel? Would it even be possible, or is the hatred toward Israel and jews the only things that make them "work" together? How big differences of muslim groups is there internally in Palestine?
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12341 Posts
July 19 2024 19:03 GMT
#5903
On July 20 2024 02:50 T0mken wrote:
Would the people of Palestinia work together peacefully if there were no jews in Israel? Would it even be possible, or is the hatred toward Israel and jews the only things that make them "work" together? How big differences of muslim groups is there internally in Palestine?


Predominantly sunni muslims, with some small minorities. There are also christian Palestinians and jewish Palestinians.
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Ciaus237
Profile Joined July 2015
South Africa286 Posts
July 20 2024 08:21 GMT
#5904
ICJ ruling from a process started around 2022 is in:
Reuters - Top UN court says Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories is illegal

In summary: the court found Israel's activities in the West Bank and East Jerusalem constitute an illegal occupation. The court stated that Israel was obligated to pay reparations and immediately remove all settlements in occupied territory. No country is to aid the settlement or recognize it as legal.


"Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and the regime associated with them, have been established and are being maintained in violation of international law," President Nawaf Salam said, reading the findings of a 15-judge panel.
The court said Israel's obligations include paying restitution for harm and "the evacuation of all settlers from existing settlements".

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.
.

The ICJ opinion also found that the U.N. Security Council, the General Assembly and all states have an obligation not to recognise the occupation as legal nor "render aid or assistance" toward maintaining Israel's presence in the occupied territories.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4356 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-21 12:02:07
July 21 2024 11:57 GMT
#5905
Israel now bombing port city of Hodeidah in Yemen following a drone strike that killed one person in Tel Aviv.
Oil refinery hit.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/20/airstrikes-hit-yemens-hodeidah-port-after-israel-vows-revenge-for-houthi-attack

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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2652 Posts
July 21 2024 16:04 GMT
#5906
Yemen saw the absolutely insane amount of "find out" after Oct 7th and decided they absolutely also wanted to fuck around.

I understand they are owned by Iran with leadership who probably doesn't give a shit about regular people but it's still an insane decision.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43232 Posts
July 21 2024 16:55 GMT
#5907
On July 22 2024 01:04 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Yemen saw the absolutely insane amount of "find out" after Oct 7th and decided they absolutely also wanted to fuck around.

I understand they are owned by Iran with leadership who probably doesn't give a shit about regular people but it's still an insane decision.

It’s all insane. They’re trying to get into an existential struggle with a nuclear power that is fully prepared to defend itself with a preemptive nuclear strike if it judges the need to outweigh the fallout.

When Britain and the US shot down Iranian missiles launched at Israel they weren’t defending Israel, they were defending Iran. Israel is fully capable of defending itself if backed into a corner.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11929 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-22 07:53:22
July 21 2024 19:07 GMT
#5908
Speculation:

Teddy Roosevelt carrier group is not going into the red sea. Basically saying Yemen (Iran) has control over the area. I think the US would be quite happy if Israel went into Yemen or started actively striking them more heavily. Especially if they are willing to take the PR hit for hitting important civilian targets. Probably happy enough to ignore Palestine even more actively, same would be true for most of Europe. The shipping there is more important than the millions of Palestinians for Europe, Egypt etc.

Not seeing anything pointing to lower insurance rates in the Suez Canal route. Spiking global shipping heavily while cutting Egypt income. If that is true long term then we might see Egypt doing things behind the scenes to strike at Yemen while supporting them publicly.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3356 Posts
July 22 2024 05:09 GMT
#5909
On July 22 2024 01:04 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Yemen saw the absolutely insane amount of "find out" after Oct 7th and decided they absolutely also wanted to fuck around.

I understand they are owned by Iran with leadership who probably doesn't give a shit about regular people but it's still an insane decision.

At this point they have been bombed for a decade by western allies.
This is just making things official.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2652 Posts
July 22 2024 06:25 GMT
#5910
On July 22 2024 14:09 pmp10 wrote:
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On July 22 2024 01:04 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Yemen saw the absolutely insane amount of "find out" after Oct 7th and decided they absolutely also wanted to fuck around.

I understand they are owned by Iran with leadership who probably doesn't give a shit about regular people but it's still an insane decision.

At this point they have been bombed for a decade by western allies.
This is just making things official.


Yeah but this is the same western allies who are trying to get Israel to ease up on Gaza. If they really piss them off it's not going to be on the same level.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18119 Posts
July 22 2024 08:56 GMT
#5911
On July 22 2024 15:25 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2024 14:09 pmp10 wrote:
On July 22 2024 01:04 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Yemen saw the absolutely insane amount of "find out" after Oct 7th and decided they absolutely also wanted to fuck around.

I understand they are owned by Iran with leadership who probably doesn't give a shit about regular people but it's still an insane decision.

At this point they have been bombed for a decade by western allies.
This is just making things official.


Yeah but this is the same western allies who are trying to get Israel to ease up on Gaza. If they really piss them off it's not going to be on the same level.

Really? I haven't seen Saudi Arabia say peep about Israel/Gaza. In fact, anecdotally, my mother-in-law did Hadj this year, and a woman in her group prayed for peace in Gaza and for the palestinians, and was in no uncertain terms told to stfu and that the mosque was no place for politics.

And the US "trying to get Israel to ease up on Gaza" is laughable.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6252 Posts
July 23 2024 18:10 GMT
#5912
Then you should read news from outside your bubble. Saudi Arabia has publicly criticized Israel many times. For instance www.ft.com, www.bbc.com. They're trying to balance the anger of the population with the longer term goal of normalization.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12341 Posts
July 24 2024 18:10 GMT
#5913
Genuinely disgusting standing ovation. Like literally I have my plate in front of me and I'm not hungry anymore...
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23470 Posts
July 24 2024 18:37 GMT
#5914
On July 25 2024 03:10 Nebuchad wrote:
Genuinely disgusting standing ovation. Like literally I have my plate in front of me and I'm not hungry anymore...

The US is all about unity right now, unfortunately supporting the ethnic cleansing/genocide of Palestinians is one of the limited things they agree on.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12341 Posts
July 24 2024 18:42 GMT
#5915
It's like Netanyahu challenged himself on how many fascist talking points he could get applauded by the US congress, just for a laugh.

So hard to tell who the bad guys are by the way, I understand why some of you are still struggling.
No will to live, no wish to die
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3356 Posts
July 26 2024 07:33 GMT
#5916
It's seems that Harris is willing to publicly press Bibi on cease-fire.
I'd expect that this pressure will only increase as the US elections near.
But even if Israel gives way, it still doesn't mean that any peace will survive long past the poll closing time.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12341 Posts
July 26 2024 07:57 GMT
#5917
It sounds unlikely that he'll stop before november, he needs to at least check if Trump wins.
No will to live, no wish to die
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden790 Posts
July 27 2024 17:04 GMT
#5918
Well, with todays attack from Hezbollah I dont think theres anyway the northern front wont become very active rather sooner then later
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8165 Posts
July 27 2024 17:11 GMT
#5919
On July 28 2024 02:04 Kreuger wrote:
Well, with todays attack from Hezbollah I dont think theres anyway the northern front wont become very active rather sooner then later


Yeah. Hezbollah forced their hands with this one. There is no way for Israel not to retaliate in force from such an attack.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
July 27 2024 17:48 GMT
#5920
Didn't Hezbollah respond to an Israeli airstrike or am I missing someting?
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