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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On August 06 2024 21:31 JoinTheRain wrote: Isn't it to be expected though? Torturing prisoners, I mean. I thought it's the default attitude to POW to be tortured to some extent. I don't condone it, by no means, I'm just not astonished that it occurs. Absolutely not. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25497 Posts
On August 06 2024 21:31 JoinTheRain wrote: Isn't it to be expected though? Torturing prisoners, I mean. I thought it's the default attitude to POW to be tortured to some extent. I don't condone it, by no means, I'm just not astonished that it occurs. It was quite rare at least in the West even with a conflict as vicious as WW2. Rare of course not meaning unheard of. It will happen, as will atrocities in war, the key factor is is it something that is meant to happen or something that occasionally occurs despite structural and cultural impediments. I’m less concerned by some torture occurring, as horrific as that as as the response to it occurring, because in Israel that response very much skews towards the former reading. When the US was found to have perpetrated such acts (and indeed far more mildly than these reports), there was widespread revulsion and court martials etc. Not protests and prominent political figures coming out with the effect of ‘how dare you investigate us torturing people!’ | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden744 Posts
So , something might happen this time | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
https://x.com/palinfoen/status/1822120694756336025 https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1822149262714577259 Might be the 1234567890 "hamas command center" destroyed after 10 months of this so called war. Tbf, that's not really surprising, reading churchill's rants about palestinians and other "inferior races" during the british mandate just show that in spite of appareance, nothing has changed. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria408 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2089 Posts
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PremoBeats
447 Posts
On August 10 2024 22:45 stilt wrote: Another brillant strikes by Israel https://x.com/palinfoen/status/1822120694756336025 https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1822149262714577259 Might be the 1234567890 "hamas command center" destroyed after 10 months of this so called war. Tbf, that's not really surprising, reading churchill's rants about palestinians and other "inferior races" during the british mandate just show that in spite of appareance, nothing has changed. The source says 100 dead in the school, which is wrong as there were two strikes - one at a mosque and one at a school. At the school there were around 40 dead. All according to Gaza officials which are controlled by Hamas. Here one can read on the Israel's reaction to the accusation: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/10/middleeast/israeli-school-strike-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html " When asked about the strike, an Israeli military official earlier told CNN the Israel Defense Forces had used “three small and precise munitions that cannot cause the damage the Palestinians claim they have caused.” CNN also reported earlier that Israel used at least one US-manufactured precision-guided bomb during the strike, according to weapons experts. Footage of the aftermath filmed by CNN showed parts of an explosive device that Trevor Ball, a former US Army explosive ordnance disposal technician, confirmed were from a GBU-39 small diameter bomb. According to weapons expert Chris Cobb Smith, the GBU-39, which is manufactured by Boeing, is a high-precision munition “designed to attack strategically important point targets” while causing low collateral damage. " Wouldn't be surprised if this was another fake out of the Palestywood-productions. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4182 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
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PremoBeats
447 Posts
On August 14 2024 20:37 Magic Powers wrote: Almost 40 000 Palestinians died of completely natural causes ya'll. The death and destruction is Palestywood-productions. Who said something of 40k dying to natural causes? This is a war, of course there are casualties. This is horrible, but unavoidable, especially if you want to destroy Hamas and its structures completely. On top, it needs to be done in one of the most populated areas on this planet. If you compare casualties to other similar wars, the death count is incredibly low. Plus, we have all the evidence of the IDV using pamphlets, radio broadcasts, TV broadcasts and speaker transmissions warning civilians (which delayed their response and endangered its soldiers). We also have evidence of Hamas shooting at civilians who tried to flee. On August 14 2024 20:37 Gahlo wrote: Right, because a school has the structural integrity to withstand bombing to the same level as a "strategically important point target." Yup, but it is intentional by Hamas. Cause you can tell that to the terrorists who shouldn't hide behind civilians and civilian infrastructure. | ||
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Byo
Canada207 Posts
Dying isn't the only measure of suffering, if you were living in Gaza before Oct 7, and you hated Hamas all your life with all western knowledge possible I would still think you would probably think Israel is the bad guy in this conflict. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12204 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On August 14 2024 21:06 PremoBeats wrote: Who said something of 40k dying to natural causes? This is a war, of course there are casualties. This is horrible, but unavoidable, especially if you want to destroy Hamas and its structures completely. On top, it needs to be done in one of the most populated areas on this planet. If you compare casualties to other similar wars, the death count is incredibly low. Plus, we have all the evidence of the IDV using pamphlets, radio broadcasts, TV broadcasts and speaker transmissions warning civilians (which delayed their response and endangered its soldiers). We also have evidence of Hamas shooting at civilians who tried to flee. Yup, but it is intentional by Hamas. Cause you can tell that to the terrorists who shouldn't hide behind civilians and civilian infrastructure. They made me do it! | ||
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PremoBeats
447 Posts
On August 14 2024 21:23 Byo wrote: Which "similar" war are you comparing it with? And how was that war similar? Dying isn't the only measure of suffering, if you were living in Gaza before Oct 7, and you hated Hamas all your life with all western knowledge possible I would still think you would probably think Israel is the bad guy in this conflict. Similarity in density of population per squaremetre. The thing is that you cannot really compare Gaza to anything before, as there was never a war where terrorists were hiding so shamelessly beneath/in/under/atop civilian infrastructure such as schools, hospitals or religious sites. I once wrote a post on 9gag where I collected some data, but can't find it atm. But you can read up on the issue here. https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286 Your hypothetical is... well, a hypothetical. So why don't we stay with the facts and the things we do have? Why do you think that Israel is the bad guy in this conflict? On August 14 2024 21:34 Nebuchad wrote: Isn't it fascinating how the percentage of people who think islam is a threat to the West is something like 30-40% of people, but we never hear anyone say that they think Israel is the good side because it's killing all those threatening muslims? It's always some convoluted reasoning that no one would actually believe if it was applied to humans instead of being applied to Palestinians. With this observation in mind, I continue to posit that we're not debating a lot of good faith positions, because the good faith ones are deemed too politically incorrect to be asserted. To be honest, the faith of these people doesn't matter to me. That they are terrorists and indoctrinating little kids from Kindergarten on to hate, despise and kill others is something that I think is quite disturbing. Well, yes. I mean, under your mocking remark is the exact truth. Of course a country will retaliate after October 7th. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12204 Posts
On August 14 2024 22:02 PremoBeats wrote: To be honest, the faith of these people doesn't matter to me. That they are terrorists and indoctrinating little kids from Kindergarten on to hate, despise and kill others is something that I think is quite disturbing. I don't believe you. Here's my reasoning for not believing you: Israel also has a bunch of terrorism and support for terrorism, including but not limited to state terrorism, and also indoctrinates little kids from Kindergarten to hate, and you don't care. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21712 Posts
And if you have an issue with children being indoctrinated to hate, maybe stop bombing their schools and homes. Israel's response to oct 7th will have created more Hamas fighers ready to die to hurt Israel then any Hamas propaganda could have accomplished. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4182 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9660 Posts
On August 14 2024 22:27 Magic Powers wrote: Israel is not currently defending itself. It's the aggressor. Of course it is. Its defending itself against the children who will grow up to be terrorists, because Israel killed their parents two weeks ago. Gotta kill 'em now before they become too dangerous. | ||
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PremoBeats
447 Posts
On August 14 2024 22:20 Nebuchad wrote: I don't believe you. Here's my reasoning for not believing you: Israel also has a bunch of terrorism and support for terrorism, including but not limited to state terrorism, and also indoctrinates little kids from Kindergarten to hate, and you don't care. Why would I hate someone based on their religion? That's quite the accusation you throw out there... Do you realize what these Palestinian children learn? Did you see the TV shows, the board games? The copies of Mein Kampf? The educational material from Kindergartens and schools? What is your evidence for saying that Israel is indoctrinating children to hate? On August 14 2024 22:23 Gorsameth wrote: No one here is saying Israel can't defend itself. The manner in which they are is what people take issue with. And if you have an issue with children being indoctrinated to hate, maybe stop bombing their schools and homes. Israel's response to oct 7th will have created more Hamas fighers ready to die to hurt Israel then any Hamas propaganda could have accomplished. What is the manner? Taking precautions no other state or waring organization ever took? Endangering their own troops in the process? So what is your solution? Not retaliate? Leave Hamas to attack again? It is not the IDF's fault that the terrorists are hiding and operating in/around civilian infrastructure... | ||
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