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On April 10 2024 03:11 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2024 01:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 09 2024 23:14 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 09 2024 19:55 Velr wrote:On April 09 2024 19:16 Magic Powers wrote:
I agree with Nebuchad. Xenophobia, transphobia and abortion are specific to foreigners, transgender people and women. There can be no mistake. Criticism of Israel is absolutely not specific to Jews. Yes, but there is a simple Test. As soon as someone sais "from the river to the sea" or similar stuff, it's pretty much plain antisemitism. Many, many, many people that see themselves as "just ciritical of Israel" fail that simple test. Netanyahu and the Likud are guilty of antisemitism? For those unfamiliar with the reference: Is Mehdi Hasan pretending to not see the difference? The vast majority of Palestinians (80% according to the polls) want to ethnically cleanse the whole of Palestine from the Jews. That's what's behind this slogan. On the other hand, there are 2M Arab Israeli citizens. Israel controlling Gaza and West Bank does not necessarily mean ethnic cleansing.
Errr, this isn't even a dog whistle, because it's far too blatant. There is absolutely no way Bibi and the Likud in general are not aware of what is meant with the sentence. Their coopting of it isn't to say "From the River to the Sea, we will live together happily!"
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Ignore me, other people have brought it up.
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Yet Biden won't stop funding. Ffs.
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This isn't the first time Biden/Harris have baited people with a headline that reads "immediate ceasefire" to only then clarify "6 weeks"...can't imagine why they would ever want to do that....
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On April 10 2024 10:38 Cricketer12 wrote:This isn't the first time Biden/Harris have baited people with a headline that reads "immediate ceasefire" to only then clarify "6 weeks"...can't imagine why they would ever want to do that....
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You do know that a ceasefire is not the same as immediate and eternal peace?
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On April 10 2024 10:38 Cricketer12 wrote:This isn't the first time Biden/Harris have baited people with a headline that reads "immediate ceasefire" to only then clarify "6 weeks"...can't imagine why they would ever want to do that....
These things usually start as 'temporary'.
Some low-level conflict might follow but restarting full-scale invasion will be very difficult after a month of cease-fire.
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On April 10 2024 21:58 JimmiC wrote:For those mad at Biden an Harris for saying they almost have a deal than don’t it is because they keep coming to terms then Hamas says just kidding no, or in this case we don’t have the agreed upon 40 hostages alive. I get that it’s more fun to blame Israel and also Biden but can you imagine going through the whole painful negotiating process only to keep finding out there is less and less hostages alive? At some point you are just going to stop. Heck Israel keeps agreeing (ok we will take young men) to have the goal posts moved again. They might as some have suggested have no living hostages and the whole process be a farce. Show nested quote + Hamas has indicated it is currently unable to identify and track down 40 Israeli hostages needed for the first phase of a ceasefire deal, according to an Israeli official and a source familiar with the discussions, raising fears that more hostages may be dead than are publicly known.
The framework that has been laid out by negotiators says that during a first six-week pause in the fighting, Hamas should release 40 of the remaining hostages, including all the women as well as sick and elderly men. In exchange, hundreds of Palestinian prisoners would be released from Israeli prisons.
Hamas has told international mediators – which include Qatar and Egypt — it does not have 40 living hostages who match those criteria for release, both sources said. CNN’s record of the conditions of the hostages also suggests there are fewer than 40 living hostages who meet the proposed criteria.
The inability — or unwillingness — of Hamas to tell Israel which hostages would be released, alive, is a major obstacle, the second source added. With Hamas appearing to be unable to reach 40 in the proposed categories, Israel has pushed for Hamas to fill out the initial release with younger male hostages, including soldiers, the Israeli official said.
Throughout the months of negotiations since the last ceasefire, Israel has repeatedly asked for a list of the hostages and their conditions. Hamas has argued that they need a break in the fighting to be able to track and gather down the hostages, the same argument they made in November before a week-long pause that broke down after Hamas failed to deliver more hostages.
The majority of the almost 100 hostages who remain alive are believed to be male IDF soldiers or men of military reserve age. Hamas is expected to try to use them in later phases to try to negotiate more significant concessions, including more high-level prisoners and a permanent end to the war.
Yeah no. When Kamala told the press "there needs to be an immediate ceasefire, waited for gasps and applause from the press junkit present, before saying "for 6 weeks" it wasn't because Hamas rejected a deal in those 3 seconds.
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What I fail to understand is how Israel's strategy is supposed to keep the hostages alive. War has not prevented them from being killed or neglected until death. Back in November Hamas likely released only a minority of living hostages. If 100 or more hostages were alive after that exchange, and now it's less than 100, then what could've caused more hostages to die since? It makes little sense for Hamas to have a policy of killing the remaining hostages considering they've exchanged 50 of them in November. Their actual policy is more likely to keep them alive so they can exchange them for more prisoners (among other reasons).
So if Hamas are trying to keep the hostages alive, but they keep dying regardless, then what's causing that? Could it perhaps be that Hamas have their hands full trying to stay alive and escape to safe places, rendering them unable to protect the hostages from the bombs? After all, this is the same argument people (on all sides) have been using to explain the high casualties: bombing Hamas is only possible at the cost of many civilians. If that is true, then it would also be true for the hostages, and it would explain why Hamas can't deliver the number of hostages Israel is asking for, even if they wanted to.
Is there anything I'm overlooking?
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On April 10 2024 22:36 Magic Powers wrote:
What I fail to understand is how Israel's strategy is supposed to keep the hostages alive. War has not prevented them from being killed or neglected until death. Back in November Hamas likely released only a minority of living hostages. If 100 or more hostages were alive after that exchange, and now it's less than 100, then what could've caused more hostages to die since? It makes little sense for Hamas to have a policy of killing the remaining hostages considering they've exchanged 50 of them in November. Their actual policy is more likely to keep them alive so they can exchange them for more prisoners (among other reasons).
So if Hamas are trying to keep the hostages alive, but they keep dying regardless, then what's causing that? Could it perhaps be that Hamas have their hands full trying to stay alive and escape to safe places, rendering them unable to protect the hostages from the bombs? After all, this is the same argument people (on all sides) have been using to explain the high casualties: bombing Hamas is only possible at the cost of many civilians. If that is true, then it would also be true for the hostages, and it would explain why Hamas can't deliver the number of hostages Israel is asking for, even if they wanted to.
Is there anything I'm overlooking? Netanyahu has never cared for the hostages. Brining them back alive isn't even a secondary concern.
This war would not have been conducted in the way it was if that wasn't the case.
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On April 10 2024 22:36 Magic Powers wrote:
What I fail to understand is how Israel's strategy is supposed to keep the hostages alive. War has not prevented them from being killed or neglected until death. Back in November Hamas likely released only a minority of living hostages. If 100 or more hostages were alive after that exchange, and now it's less than 100, then what could've caused more hostages to die since? It makes little sense for Hamas to have a policy of killing the remaining hostages considering they've exchanged 50 of them in November. Their actual policy is more likely to keep them alive so they can exchange them for more prisoners (among other reasons).
So if Hamas are trying to keep the hostages alive, but they keep dying regardless, then what's causing that? Could it perhaps be that Hamas have their hands full trying to stay alive and escape to safe places, rendering them unable to protect the hostages from the bombs? After all, this is the same argument people (on all sides) have been using to explain the high casualties: bombing Hamas is only possible at the cost of many civilians. If that is true, then it would also be true for the hostages, and it would explain why Hamas can't deliver the number of hostages Israel is asking for, even if they wanted to.
Is there anything I'm overlooking?
That Israel has been doing everything they could to prevent the hostages from getting food, water, etc
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So I guess we know who the targets were. Reminder that this guy lives in Qatar, and of course, is a billionaire. His daughters live in Israel.
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Solid comment section on that tweet
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Israel has apparently destroyed 90% of homes in Khan Younis.
Source: An Al-Jazeera news report in the following video (biased):
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Seeing how there is an arms race between Saudi Arabia and Iran, among other things. I doubt the call achieved very much, if anything.
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