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{CC}StealthBlue
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Dan HH
Romania9137 Posts
On April 14 2024 07:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Well... ok then. Again all theatre. Never mind the fact they can't just everything has ended, as Israel can now decide that. https://twitter.com/Iran_UN/status/1779269993043022053 That's.. oddly reasonable? Israel could learn a thing or two about what a proportional response is. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Excludos
Norway8174 Posts
On April 14 2024 07:46 Dan HH wrote: That's.. oddly reasonable? Israel could learn a thing or two about what a proportional response is. "We're just going to invade a little bit. That'll be sensible" This attack is moronic on another level. These people just absolutely loves to give Israel any excuse they need to engage in hostilities with zero repercussions. Israel have already said they are going to respond to this attack in force, and the world won't bat an eye when they do, just like with Gaza This is the definition of fucking around and finding out | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9137 Posts
On April 14 2024 08:07 Excludos wrote: "We're just going to invade a little bit. That'll be sensible" This attack is moronic on another level. These people just absolutely loves to give Israel any excuse they need to engage in hostilities with zero repercussions. Israel have already said they are going to respond to this attack in force, and the world won't bat an eye when they do, just like with Gaza This is the definition of fucking around and finding out Sure, I would have preferred no direct response to the attack on their consulate, but I understand they couldn't let it slide completely. Giving Israel a one off nuisance to shoot down is the least escalatory action bar doing nothing. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Kreuger
Sweden790 Posts
On April 14 2024 07:46 Dan HH wrote: That's.. oddly reasonable? Israel could learn a thing or two about what a proportional response is. This is because Iran cant do anything more, they are weak and afraid. If they had the ability they would kill as many jews they could. On April 14 2024 08:12 Elroi wrote: Israel is a nuclear power, right? And Iran isn't, right? This could end in some serious fireworks. Nuclear wont happen. Israel have more then enough without going there to seriously hurt Iran if they decide to | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12355 Posts
On April 14 2024 06:18 JimmiC wrote: Wait, so if Israel and Iran go to war, you think Israel will be in the wrong? Please explain. I don't see the point of doing that, also I'm quite drink. But have a nice war anyway | ||
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Excludos
Norway8174 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26058 Posts
On April 14 2024 08:41 Nebuchad wrote: I don't see the point of doing that, also I'm quite drink. But have a nice war anyway Haha, enjoy the night brother don’t go too hard! To answer your question re Iraq I mean it was pretty apparent, why there were some of the biggest/possibly the biggest demonstrations in many countries against it, including mine. Initially the general tenor was ‘look Saddam’s a bad bloke sure, but they had nothing to do with 9/11 and going to war is going to kill a lot of people’. I was a mere pup at the time, I wasn’t privy to a huge amount of geopolitical complexity. I’m pretty sure voices warned that toppling Hussein would likely unleash a lot of ethnocultural conflict as though a bastard, he and the Ba’athists kept something of a lid on it. I can’t be sure of that to be fair but I’d assume this was warned about ahead of time by a reasonable amount of learned voices. If not it became pretty damn clear after a couple of years of that conflict. As critical as I am on Israel and her policies, the human cost of that conflict were worse. Both directly and indirectly in terms of setting off the dominoes that lead to another destructive conflict in Syria. Do I feel personally culpable? I mean no but still doesn’t change that my nation alongside the US and others have done worse in this century. Been a while since I pondered on that clusterfuck, ffs the whole thing was predicated on a At least Israel has some mitigating factors. It is surrounded by enemies, it is frequently attacked, it suffered a pretty large one to precipitate this conflict. Iraq? I mean they’re just sitting there minding their own business (as it pertains to the West anyway) and we just sauntered in on the pretence of non-existent WMDs and estimates vary but low end is still in 6 figures for deaths. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Penthesilea
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12355 Posts
On April 14 2024 09:05 WombaT wrote: Haha, enjoy the night brother don’t go too hard! To answer your question re Iraq I mean it was pretty apparent, why there were some of the biggest/possibly the biggest demonstrations in many countries against it, including mine. Initially the general tenor was ‘look Saddam’s a bad bloke sure, but they had nothing to do with 9/11 and going to war is going to kill a lot of people’. I was a mere pup at the time, I wasn’t privy to a huge amount of geopolitical complexity. I’m pretty sure voices warned that toppling Hussein would likely unleash a lot of ethnocultural conflict as though a bastard, he and the Ba’athists kept something of a lid on it. I can’t be sure of that to be fair but I’d assume this was warned about ahead of time by a reasonable amount of learned voices. If not it became pretty damn clear after a couple of years of that conflict. As critical as I am on Israel and her policies, the human cost of that conflict were worse. Both directly and indirectly in terms of setting off the dominoes that lead to another destructive conflict in Syria. Do I feel personally culpable? I mean no but still doesn’t change that my nation alongside the US and others have done worse in this century. Been a while since I pondered on that clusterfuck, ffs the whole thing was predicated on a At least Israel has some mitigating factors. It is surrounded by enemies, it is frequently attacked, it suffered a pretty large one to precipitate this conflict. Iraq? I mean they’re just sitting there minding their own business (as it pertains to the West anyway) and we just sauntered in on the pretence of non-existent WMDs and estimates vary but low end is still in 6 figures for deaths. Yeah that makes a ton of sense. I also remembered that famous Onion article that was from before 2004. I guess at the time I was still a rightwinger so I believed dumb shit like "politics are complicated" and I didn't really read the right media (or any media, let's be honest), so that's why I didn't have the right picture about that war from the start. | ||
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Cerebrate1
265 Posts
On April 14 2024 07:46 Dan HH wrote: That's.. oddly reasonable? Israel could learn a thing or two about what a proportional response is. Israel dropped one bomb and Iran responded with hundreds of drones and missiles into Israel proper? Are you certain that you want Israel's response to be that proportional? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6308 Posts
On April 14 2024 13:55 Cerebrate1 wrote: Israel dropped one bomb and Iran responded with hundreds of drones and missiles into Israel proper? Are you certain that you want Israel's response to be that proportional? Israel dropped more than one bomb on the civilians in Gaza while Iran has targeted Israels capability of bombing civilians with this strike. Seems proportional to me. Attacking diplomatic missions in third countries was just speeding up the inevitable | ||
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pmp10
3357 Posts
The question now is if Israel will take the opportunity to escalate further or just launch a symbolic retaliation. | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden790 Posts
On April 14 2024 14:15 zeo wrote: Israel dropped more than one bomb on the civilians in Gaza while Iran has targeted Israels capability of bombing civilians with this strike. Seems proportional to me. Attacking diplomatic missions in third countries was just speeding up the inevitable Thinking that the drones and missiles Iran attacked with was targeted at military installations.... Israel should obliviously respond to this escalation and target Iran proper. Wether they will or not, have to wait and see | ||
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