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On March 18 2020 00:58 warding wrote:I'm slightly encouraged by Italy's numbers of new cases in the past 3 days: Mar 14 - 3497 Mar 15 - 3590 Mar 16 - 3233 The last day was missing data from a couple of jurisdictions but it shouldn't send it over the average over the three days. If it's not due to some artifact in testing, it may signal a clear inflection point thanks to the isolation measures. In Portugal the general mood is of subservience and everyone is taking the lockdown extremely seriously. Yesterday a friend of mine was walking home from work and a car speeded towards where he was on the street and started honking. I can see the isolation having a strong effect on contagion. I hope we're able to contain this thing and move towards a more South Korean approach of mass testing and surgical quaranteeining. Otherwise the economy is going to be run into the ground.  Italy is getting to the point where the effects of their quarantine should become visible so hopefully the new case numbers indeed start to trend downwards.
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On March 18 2020 01:11 KwarK wrote:
My work finally approved work from home.
Boomers hate employees working from home almost as much as they hate millennials
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Northern Ireland26362 Posts
On March 18 2020 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:Boomers hate employees working from home almost as much as they hate millennials
Is there anything they don’t hate outside of grilling?
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On March 18 2020 01:25 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 01:13 Mohdoo wrote:On March 18 2020 01:11 KwarK wrote:
My work finally approved work from home. Boomers hate employees working from home almost as much as they hate millennials Is there anything they don’t hate outside of grilling?
Damn the first time I ran into this expression, I thought it was ironically usued.
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On March 18 2020 01:11 KwarK wrote:
My work finally approved work from home.
Congrats.
My work is still all hands on deck until Thursday, where engineering is doing a "practice WFH day"
I can do about half of my job from home (other half requires my presence for production support), but I can't really see a reason why sales or some engineers who aren't doing hands-on projects can't work from home.
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On March 17 2020 23:20 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2020 23:16 Slydie wrote:On March 17 2020 22:27 Nakajin wrote:
First day back at work in the human ressources, I work at solving short term lack of personel. Never seen the hospital so staffed in my life, they are canceling all non essential operation so right now there's surplus everywhere and the few overtime we have to give get taken in a flash + on our side many people are comming back to work like me.
Slowest day of my life lol, at least we're seamingly ready for when shit goes crazy. If your country is dealing with this right, there is a good chance it won't get crazy at all! You have no idea what you’re talking about, no expertise to rely on, and continue to muck this thread with awful back of the napkin math that has been thoroughly disputed by numerous other posters who have simply given up trying to argue with you. Your posts are a perfect representation of why the worst is yet to come, so thank you for telegraphing that I guess.
Are you hoping for the worst?
Every country has a slightly different approach and a different situation. Nobody should pretend like they know it all, anyone who might disagee with me and myself included. There is no way of knowing what is right, but looking at the patterns where corona has been the longest should give some indication at least.
Threads like this have often been an excellent source of information from different places for me. I hope I have offered some to others.
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On March 18 2020 01:43 Amui wrote:Congrats. My work is still all hands on deck until Thursday, where engineering is doing a "practice WFH day" I can do about half of my job from home (other half requires my presence for production support), but I can't really see a reason why sales or some engineers who aren't doing hands-on projects can't work from home.
Are you also a manufacturing engineer? If so, may I ask which types of things you're not able to do at home?
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On March 18 2020 00:58 warding wrote:I'm slightly encouraged by Italy's numbers of new cases in the past 3 days: Mar 14 - 3497 Mar 15 - 3590 Mar 16 - 3233 The last day was missing data from a couple of jurisdictions but it shouldn't send it over the average over the three days. If it's not due to some artifact in testing, it may signal a clear inflection point thanks to the isolation measures. In Portugal the general mood is of subservience and everyone is taking the lockdown extremely seriously. Yesterday a friend of mine was walking home from work and a car speeded towards where he was on the street and started honking. I can see the isolation having a strong effect on contagion. I hope we're able to contain this thing and move towards a more South Korean approach of mass testing and surgical quaranteeining. Otherwise the economy is going to be run into the ground.
back to 3526 today, march 17, with ~350 deaths for third day in a row, I'm not at all encouraged by these numbers.
Spain is on a very clear trajectory to catch up to them unfortunately
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On March 18 2020 01:45 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 01:43 Amui wrote:On March 18 2020 01:11 KwarK wrote:
My work finally approved work from home. Congrats. My work is still all hands on deck until Thursday, where engineering is doing a "practice WFH day" I can do about half of my job from home (other half requires my presence for production support), but I can't really see a reason why sales or some engineers who aren't doing hands-on projects can't work from home. Are you also a manufacturing engineer? If so, may I ask which types of things you're not able to do at home?
So I work for a Satcom company, and I'm responsible for testing/automation and so on. Unfortunately I've somehow gotten myself into a position where I am a single source of failure for pretty much anything that goes out the door as almost all of it is tested on my software(nobody cross-trained at all). This half is doable from home, although I have no good way of confirming if my software works without being at work. Things like designing an automatic calibration routine for one of the new products for example, requires both raw data and testing while watching the behavior of the software to make sure it's not doing something unexpected.
The other part of it, because production is inhouse, is if something goes wrong (sometimes test equipment hangs for some reason), or for prototype products, I need to be onsite. I can remote into every test station, but plugging in/taking something out requires hands, and while it's technically possible to remote troubleshoot a unit by sending/reading commands line by line, it's much faster to just do it with buttons and dials.
On one hand, it's nice because I'll have a job even if/when production goes offline, but having to come in to the office to do some of my job is a pain.
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On March 18 2020 02:24 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 00:58 warding wrote:I'm slightly encouraged by Italy's numbers of new cases in the past 3 days: Mar 14 - 3497 Mar 15 - 3590 Mar 16 - 3233 The last day was missing data from a couple of jurisdictions but it shouldn't send it over the average over the three days. If it's not due to some artifact in testing, it may signal a clear inflection point thanks to the isolation measures. In Portugal the general mood is of subservience and everyone is taking the lockdown extremely seriously. Yesterday a friend of mine was walking home from work and a car speeded towards where he was on the street and started honking. I can see the isolation having a strong effect on contagion. I hope we're able to contain this thing and move towards a more South Korean approach of mass testing and surgical quaranteeining. Otherwise the economy is going to be run into the ground. back to 3526 today, march 17, with ~350 deaths for third day in a row, I'm not at all encouraged by these numbers. Spain is on a very clear trajectory to catch up to them unfortunately
I don't have too much of a clear insight into today's numbers, but I'm actually feeling optimistic. If they're complete, they may be higher because they include also yesterday's numbers for Puglia and Trentino. Even if they're a little bit higher than yesterday, the fact that they're stable for the past 4 days around 3500~, rather than increasing at an exponential rate should be great news.
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On March 18 2020 02:24 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 01:45 Mohdoo wrote:On March 18 2020 01:43 Amui wrote:On March 18 2020 01:11 KwarK wrote:
My work finally approved work from home. Congrats. My work is still all hands on deck until Thursday, where engineering is doing a "practice WFH day" I can do about half of my job from home (other half requires my presence for production support), but I can't really see a reason why sales or some engineers who aren't doing hands-on projects can't work from home. Are you also a manufacturing engineer? If so, may I ask which types of things you're not able to do at home? So I work for a Satcom company, and I'm responsible for testing/automation and so on. Unfortunately I've somehow gotten myself into a position where I am a single source of failure for pretty much anything that goes out the door as almost all of it is tested on my software(nobody cross-trained at all). This half is doable from home, although I have no good way of confirming if my software works without being at work. Things like designing an automatic calibration routine for one of the new products for example, requires both raw data and testing while watching the behavior of the software to make sure it's not doing something unexpected. The other part of it, because production is inhouse, is if something goes wrong (sometimes test equipment hangs for some reason), or for prototype products, I need to be onsite. I can remote into every test station, but plugging in/taking something out requires hands, and while it's technically possible to remote troubleshoot a unit by sending/reading commands line by line, it's much faster to just do it with buttons and dials. On one hand, it's nice because I'll have a job even if/when production goes offline, but having to come in to the office to do some of my job is a pain.
Makes sense to me, funny to hear how similar our companies operate. Stay strong!
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On March 18 2020 00:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 00:00 Drake wrote:
as a german i feel the german numbers are not real ... with so many infected so few deaths, i doesnt give me confidence in my gouverment If there is one government I can't imagine cooking numbers and one leader I expect will treat this crisis with integrity, it's yours.
I don't know, they're the home of VW in the end 
They have great healthcare and social system and they are quite obidient. So if one nation has a good chance of fighting this shit while not locking everyone at home, it's Germany.
Edit> unless they let in Czechs 
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Should I not be going on runs around my neighborhood? China showed it stays in the air for 30 minutes, right? Hmmm
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I don't know if you guys have explanation, but I can't find one for these questions.
1. Why isn't Japan hit harder? They have more older people than Italy and they're closer to China. Do they just have good healthcare?
2. Why isn't Russia affected much when they're close to China?
3. Why does USA have lower infections than countries like Spain and other European countries even though it's a bigger country? Is it because of tight borders?
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On March 18 2020 03:33 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 00:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 18 2020 00:00 Drake wrote:
as a german i feel the german numbers are not real ... with so many infected so few deaths, i doesnt give me confidence in my gouverment If there is one government I can't imagine cooking numbers and one leader I expect will treat this crisis with integrity, it's yours. I don't know, they're the home of VW in the end They have great healthcare and social system and they are quite obidient. So if one nation has a good chance of fighting this shit while not locking everyone at home, it's Germany. Edit> unless they let in Czechs
I feel we are on the same track in Norway. While the french have been behaving as usual like a bench of cows, packing themselves on the riverside, in parks and marketplace while the government was begging them not to gather, people here are remarkably disciplined. Bars and restaurants are still open and we can go out freely, but people are just staying mostly home and doing the right thing. In France, of course they had to call the army and lock everyone at home, because we are as a people too undisciplined and selfish to ever respect a recommendation. It's freaking shameful.
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On March 18 2020 03:44 SC-Shield wrote:
I don't know if you guys have explanation, but I can't find one for these questions.
1. Why isn't Japan hit harder? They have more older people than Italy and they're closer to China. Do they just have good healthcare?
2. Why isn't Russia affected much when they're close to China?
3. Why does USA have lower infections than countries like Spain and other European countries even though it's a bigger country? Is it because of tight borders?
Dunno about Japan and Russia, but the US is pretty much 5 weeks behind everyone else in testing. Because they refused to use the tests provided by the WHO and chose to manufacture their own test kits, which were very delayed and faulty at first.
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On March 18 2020 03:44 SC-Shield wrote:
I don't know if you guys have explanation, but I can't find one for these questions.
1. Why isn't Japan hit harder? They have more older people than Italy and they're closer to China. Do they just have good healthcare?
2. Why isn't Russia affected much when they're close to China?
3. Why does USA have lower infections than countries like Spain and other European countries even though it's a bigger country? Is it because of tight borders?
Russia was one of the first countries to restrict travel from China and even beforehand their land border with China wasn't exactly teeming with activity given their population distribution, more of Russia's infections are via Italy.
Japan tested 20+ times fewer people than SK, so much like the US, their ratio of confirmed cases to actual cases could be lower than in other places. But I would appreciate hearing the take of TL users living in Japan on this since we have few around.
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On March 18 2020 03:44 SC-Shield wrote:
I don't know if you guys have explanation, but I can't find one for these questions.
1. Why isn't Japan hit harder? They have more older people than Italy and they're closer to China. Do they just have good healthcare?
2. Why isn't Russia affected much when they're close to China?
3. Why does USA have lower infections than countries like Spain and other European countries even though it's a bigger country? Is it because of tight borders?
1. Japan seems to have locked things down quite quickly and efficiently, with measures implemented in January. I suspect it'll get worse before it gets better, but they responded fast enough to stop it from getting out of control. Their experience handling past epidemics helps here.
2. Russia took action very early on, locking down their borders as far back as January. Air travel domestically within Russia has been fairly prohibitively expensive for most people, which stops it from spreading heavily across the country; most of the problem patients are in big cities such as Moscow. They've also been uncharacteristically effective at churning out tests (they have hundreds of thousands right now) and quarantining incoming flights, which is impressive given Russia's generally appalling healthcare system.
3. USA is every bit as bad as those other countries; the numbers will show it in time. 49 out of 50 states have confirmed cases, with many cities having a crisis on their hands.
One I'm not too certain about: India. They didn't take any particularly strong measures, and folks seem to generally be unsure why things aren't getting worse over there yet. Testing is not all that widespread either.
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