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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Somebody just found 200k of respirators and 20k of, uh, fuck, veils? (I really don't know how to call it in English) which are valid against the corona thingy. If you want to start believe in fairy tales, now's the good chance. Also pray for the poor soul who found them... + Show Spoiler + The only source i have is, again, in the Czech language | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria821 Posts
Also, all US states have coronavirus cases now. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23255 Posts
On March 18 2020 07:09 SC-Shield wrote: It's probably early for that, but at some point nations should do crowdfunding for all victims of coronavirus. I think Italy would be a good candidate for now. Also, all US states have coronavirus cases now. It's sinking in here finally. Congress and the president were haggling over $2-8 billion and now they're talking $1 trillion+ to bail out the economy. Cities are starting to shut down in earnest and being honest that the major cities will likely be shut down for several months, the economic cost be damned. Cuomo explained again they're going to be 10's of thousands of beds and almost 20k ventilators short in New York alone. Like I was saying a few days ago they are now trying to figure out whether they can just tell people everything is shut down or they will have to enforce it by force/fine. | ||
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Slydie
1922 Posts
Am I crazy to believe putting the whole population in quarantine, having risking losing your ID document if you go for a walk without enough of a purpose is completely outrageous? Sure, I hear about "flattening the curve" and "overloaded systems" but right now, this is just silly and robbing peoples lives for practically no reason. Most places , it is not nearly as strict! User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9122 Posts
On March 18 2020 07:33 Slydie wrote: In my area there are currently 1 infected per 10k citizens and a low number of deaths, most very old. Am I crazy to believe putting the whole population in quarantine, having risking losing your ID document if you go for a walk without enough of a purpose is completely outrageous? Sure, I hear about "flattening the curve" and "overloaded systems" but right now, this is just silly and robbing peoples lives for practically no reason. Most places , it is not nearly as strict! Doesn't "losing your ID" kinda defeat the point of ID? It's not like they're gonna airdrop you on Elba without one | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On March 18 2020 07:33 Slydie wrote: In my area there are currently 1 infected per 10k citizens and a low number of deaths, most very old. Am I crazy to believe putting the whole population in quarantine, having risking losing your ID document if you go for a walk without enough of a purpose is completely outrageous? Sure, I hear about "flattening the curve" and "overloaded systems" but right now, this is just silly and robbing peoples lives for practically no reason. Most places , it is not nearly as strict! Yes you're crazy or to be more precise oblivious to the fact we are dealing with a pandemic. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On March 18 2020 07:33 Slydie wrote: In my area there are currently 1 infected per 10k citizens and a low number of deaths, most very old. Am I crazy to believe putting the whole population in quarantine, having risking losing your ID document if you go for a walk without enough of a purpose is completely outrageous? Sure, I hear about "flattening the curve" and "overloaded systems" but right now, this is just silly and robbing peoples lives for practically no reason. Most places , it is not nearly as strict! Holding on to this post to reply to in a couple weeks. It is important that we demonstrate why listening to gut instinct doesn't make sense. Properly educated immunologists and epidemiologists are telling you what to do. You should listen like you would a doctor. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18012 Posts
All in all, a pretty good package to settle people's minds for the short term. https://www.thelocal.es/20200317/100-billion-bailout-spains-pledge-buffer-to-buffer-economy-during-coronavirus-crisis Between that, and commandeering private healthcare resources and using the army to aid in producing necessary healthcare articles, I'm actually quite impressed by Sanchez's government. God, I'm so glad we got rid of the PP and have an actual government just in time. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27149 Posts
On March 18 2020 07:33 Slydie wrote: In my area there are currently 1 infected per 10k citizens and a low number of deaths, most very old. Am I crazy to believe putting the whole population in quarantine, having risking losing your ID document if you go for a walk without enough of a purpose is completely outrageous? Sure, I hear about "flattening the curve" and "overloaded systems" but right now, this is just silly and robbing peoples lives for practically no reason. Most places , it is not nearly as strict! User was temp banned for this post. Stop shit posting in this thread, thanks. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25506 Posts
On March 18 2020 08:39 Acrofales wrote: Spain announced a 200billion bailout package, consisting of loans, guarantees and various other measures to aid those affected economically by the virus. Imho it's a pretty good solution. People who lost their job have guaranteed access to unemployment benefits, self-employed people don't have to contribute to social security funds and get tax breaks, and businesses can get government backed loans to stay afloat. Also, mortgages are frozen and evictions forestalled. There's also talk about rent being frozen for those who cannot pay. All in all, a pretty good package to settle people's minds for the short term. https://www.thelocal.es/20200317/100-billion-bailout-spains-pledge-buffer-to-buffer-economy-during-coronavirus-crisis Between that, and commandeering private healthcare resources and using the army to aid in producing necessary healthcare articles, I'm actually quite impressed by Sanchez's government. God, I'm so glad we got rid of the PP and have an actual government just in time. Most of that seems eminently sensible God it’s depressing that I couldn’t find details of the UK’s proposed stimulus measures under ‘UK corona stimulus’ but ‘Boris bailout’ and its the first result. Been stuck at work last few days so haven’t got to properly look over our proposals. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 18 2020 07:09 SC-Shield wrote: It's probably early for that, but at some point nations should do crowdfunding for all victims of coronavirus. I think Italy would be a good candidate for now. Also, all US states have coronavirus cases now. Better for people alone to go out and give a hand where they can at that point, it's not a bunch of 100$ donation that's gonna change much compared to the sums states, international organization and corporation can engulf into the crisis if they decide too. (Which it seems like they are decided to do) That or giving to local food bank or the likes. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On March 18 2020 09:06 JimmiC wrote: I have a friend who went on a 14 day hike in the grand canyon with his wife and daughter. They get back on Saturday. They have 0 internet, phone reception, or anything. With how much has already changed in the 9 days or so wtf is it going to feel like for them when they pop out of there in 5 days? It is mind boggling. oh wow that sounds like a traumatising experience coming up on them | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On March 18 2020 06:15 Nouar wrote: What is that bullshit. They did not offer "tests", they offered the sequencing of the genome and protocol for producing the test, that was proven to work. The USA wanted to develop their own tests and ignored the protocols offered by the WHO. Add to that that the CDC badly bungled the manufacturing of the tests, and you have a huge failure. thePunGun's account is correct (the *protocol* to manufacture the test, not selling tests themselves). Biden's is not. The headline of the article is pretty misleading (Biden was probably confused as always, but the headline is...skewed), but the content is mostly correct (could have done more to point out the faulty process at CDC) And doesn't mention this one, contrarily to the brother article published directly on politifact :-/. Ahhh, whatever. Several countries developed tests. The German one, which the WHO adopted, was created on Jan. 17, the U.S. version, which was supposed to be able to distinguish between different Coronaviruses, was finished on Jan. 28. However, some complications led to a delay of a couple of weeks to figure out how state facilities could replicate it. Those are the facts, which I hope we can all agree on. I don't think I'm mischaracterizing you in saying that you see this as a reflection of the obstinancy and ignorance of the CDC, Americans in general (and hopefully we can lay this at the doorstep of Trump). I don't think I was wrong to call out thePunGun's characterization as that the WHO offered the CDC a magic solution and the CDC said WE DA BEST. It seems silly to think that the CDC had made no progress when the German solution became available. It's a reasonable call to keep pushing towards a more advanced test, and, if everything had gone smoothly, it would look much different. This is all post hoc analysis, though. | ||
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Vivax
21991 Posts
Nr. 1 source for anything regarding this virus. Most people infected with COVID-19 virus have mild disease and recover. Approximately 80% of laboratory confirmed patients have had mild to moderate disease, which includes non-pneumonia and pneumonia cases, 13.8% have severe disease (dyspnea, respiratory frequency ≥30/minute, blood oxygen saturation ≤93%, PaO2/FiO2 ratio <300, and/or lung infiltrates >50% of the lung field within 24-48 hours) and 6.1% are critical (respiratory failure, septic shock, and/or multiple organ dysfunction/failure). So yeah, may be understandable you don't want 1/5th of the population rushing into hospitals in severe or critical condition for a novel virus. More likely a lower number given the asymptomatic, untested part. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On March 18 2020 05:36 Jerubaal wrote: So do we get to sue China for a massive reparations bill? Maybe throw the WHO in as an accessory? While the virus may have originated from China, and that China did not handle the outbreak well initially, the fact that it has escalated so badly into a pandemic is due to the incompetency of the west. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/opinion/china-response-china.html?fbclid=IwAR3d2L5JlQkrsD75dxRfz1vBjbdL2j8m3-kaFrX69rqp17TEl38nFAVyR5U | ||
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Vivax
21991 Posts
On March 18 2020 09:49 DucK- wrote: While the virus may have originated from China, and that China did not handle the outbreak well initially, the fact that it has escalated so badly into a pandemic is due to the incompetency of the west. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/opinion/china-response-china.html?fbclid=IwAR3d2L5JlQkrsD75dxRfz1vBjbdL2j8m3-kaFrX69rqp17TEl38nFAVyR5U All it takes to know that is looking at how quickly Russia closed their borders and how much it helped. 69 confirmed infections, all imported. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200316-sitrep-56-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=9fda7db2_6 | ||
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Sharkies
Hong Kong92 Posts
On March 18 2020 09:49 DucK- wrote: While the virus may have originated from China, and that China did not handle the outbreak well initially, the fact that it has escalated so badly into a pandemic is due to the incompetency of the west. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/opinion/china-response-china.html?fbclid=IwAR3d2L5JlQkrsD75dxRfz1vBjbdL2j8m3-kaFrX69rqp17TEl38nFAVyR5U @Jerubaal - there is a US law firm trying exactly that. A class action lawsuit against China. But it's a typical gimmick for US lawyers to try and wrangle some money out via settlement (they take a pretty big cut of any amounts and then distribute the rest) Two reasons why it will fail: (1) State immunity. This is something that actually the Unites States itself does not want to challenge, out of fear of a wave of lawsuits targeting them for their "military actions" all over the world. Part of the reason why the United States doesn't sign up to the International Criminal Court (which 124 countries have signed up to). (2) Causation. As per DucK-'s link to the New York Times article, the US law firm is going to have to show that somehow China's actions/inactions led to the current COVID19 outbreak in the United States. Of course, never underestimate how US courts will interpret things, but if you are interested in neutral commentary on how China handled the COVID19 outbreak, look at the WHO official report at https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf. Page 36 "In the face of a previously unknown virus, China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history." | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8668 Posts
On March 18 2020 03:44 SC-Shield wrote: I don't know if you guys have explanation, but I can't find one for these questions. 1. Why isn't Japan hit harder? They have more older people than Italy and they're closer to China. Do they just have good healthcare? 2. Why isn't Russia affected much when they're close to China? 3. Why does USA have lower infections than countries like Spain and other European countries even though it's a bigger country? Is it because of tight borders? id put money on japan either hiding data or being deliberately negligent in order to keep their olympic plans alive. | ||
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