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On July 17 2025 17:41 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2025 17:17 KwarK wrote:On July 17 2025 16:04 Magic Powers wrote:On July 17 2025 15:55 KwarK wrote:On July 17 2025 15:50 Magic Powers wrote:
Pedophilia is where a lot of people draw the line. It really isn't, not for Republicans. And you're wrong again. Matt Gaetz transported a minor across state lines to have sex with her. Didn’t stop them voting for him. Yes, Republicans are perfect robots with perfect information who only vote in their best interest and never make a mistake like humans would who can be very dumb sometimes for many years. No, Republicans vote the way they do because they're perfectly evil demonic creatures spawned from hell. Yes, KwarK. Yes. You're so right. Actual example of a Republican: Don't let KwarK see this. It'll blow his mind. Voters are ignorant only goes so far as a defence when we all have the collective knowledge of the world at our fingertips. Nor do you have a dozen candidates for each position (that matter), its a choice between 2, maybe 3 party candidates. If you can't take 5 minutes of your time to check who your voting for that is kinda on the voter...
I'm not saying most of them aren't ignorant. They absolutely are. I'm saying don't defend their wilful ignorance.
ps.
Also, I cba to watch your video but unless it is from 8 years ago my only response is "no shit". You had 4 years already of Trump to see he is a lying piece of shit, if they voted for him again that is 100% on them.
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On July 17 2025 17:41 Magic Powers wrote: for many years. No, Republicans vote the way they do because they're perfectly evil demonic creatures spawned from hell. Yes, KwarK. Yes. You're so right.
I don't think it's about that at all. It's about the fact that most people are low info voters and don't care and continu to not care - for various reasons, one of them being sticking it to the libs, another being general apathy - when it comes out that he's a minor sex trafficker.
It's the general inaction and aloofness about things that are really not okay for people who should uphold some kind of moral virtuousness simply because they're a public figure. Like baseline should obviously be that you're not a criminal.
The fact that they didn't act before the vote, after the vote or even try to explain away all this stuff is the actual problem. The fact that these people themselves, who got voted in, don't feel the need to take on the responsibility of stepping down because they figure they're in a bubble of invincibility is the problem.
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On July 17 2025 17:17 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2025 16:04 Magic Powers wrote:On July 17 2025 15:55 KwarK wrote:On July 17 2025 15:50 Magic Powers wrote:
Pedophilia is where a lot of people draw the line. It really isn't, not for Republicans. And you're wrong again. Matt Gaetz transported a minor across state lines to have sex with her. Didn’t stop them voting for him.
Are you assuming that MP is also using that word incorrectly? A 17 year old is not the same as a prepubescent child. Not to imply that makes it morally okay.
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Trump being thin skinned as ever and media is edging everybody to a climax that will never come.
Remember when he was almost having to answer for his business fraud? Almost answer for raping E. Carol and then forbidding her to talk about it because its a lie she so ugly he wouldn't have done it! (but wouldn't allow a DNA sample to be compared to the Jizz found on her clothes) ? Almost having to face charges for preventing the public to know he needs to pay pornstars for sex and is so shy about it so he fakes business records?
You have written and video taped statements of women who claim that they were encouraged by Epstein and Maxwell to perform sexual acts on party guests, especially Donald Trump when themselves were underage.
25 women accused Donald Trump of sexual harassment
He cheated every wife he imported. He raped at least one.
He boasts to sexually harass with impunity.
He likes to touch Ivanka.
So it's legit to think he is a scumbag.
But he is the MAGA King, and that's why it will all blow over.
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On July 17 2025 18:05 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2025 17:41 Magic Powers wrote: for many years. No, Republicans vote the way they do because they're perfectly evil demonic creatures spawned from hell. Yes, KwarK. Yes. You're so right. I don't think it's about that at all. It's about the fact that most people are low info voters and don't care and continu to not care - for various reasons, one of them being sticking it to the libs, another being general apathy - when it comes out that he's a minor sex trafficker. It's the general inaction and aloofness about things that are really not okay for people who should uphold some kind of moral virtuousness simply because they're a public figure. Like baseline should obviously be that you're not a criminal. The fact that they didn't act before the vote, after the vote or even try to explain away all this stuff is the actual problem. The fact that these people themselves, who got voted in, don't feel the need to take on the responsibility of stepping down because they figure they're in a bubble of invincibility is the problem.
I agree with Gorsameth that they're willfully ignorant. They absolutely are.
My argument is that the moment they stop being willfully ignorant is their moment of clarity. The woman in the video had such a moment and turned closer to reality. She escaped the cult and started living more in reality. And it didn't even take Trump's pedophilia to convince her. So on that basis it's pretty obvious to me that some Republicans are going to jump ship - precisely those who don't want to be associated with a pedophile in office. You know, because Republicans - despite all their gullibility - are still largely trying (though so far failing) to be good people doing good things. One moment of clarity can flip them from doing bad to doing good, they just need a moment of clarity.
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It does seem like this is getting a much higher level of backlash from his base than we've seen before.
It's bizarre to me that after spending an entire term using the constitution as toilet paper, then being re-elected to just straight-up light it on fire to their wild applause, this turns out to be MAGA's red line... but it sure seems like it.
He's been able to completely warp the reality of his supporters up to now, both for maga and what's left of the original "conservatives". Republicans could wax lyrical for months about their values or the constitution or somebody-think-of-the-children or whatever, and yet immediately fall in line the moment he does the exact thing they previously opposed.
That seems not to be happening, this time. The politicians and some of the talking heads are bending the knee now he's turned on them directly, but there's a lot of people at the grassroots level digging in their heels. I won't pretend to understand why, but it really does look like the base have begun to unplug their mindlinks for a moment.
Will it last, and will it lead to any meaningful change? I doubt it.
Will it change the midterms? My sweet summer child, you believe there will be real midterms?
But it's an event, for sure.
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On July 17 2025 14:48 Sermokala wrote:
Introvert has forgotten that this was a MAGA talking point in the last election and for Trump to now refuse to release the list and tell people to shut up about it means that it was all done by republicans to use victims of child sex trafficing to score political points in an election, with no intent to actually do anything about it. Introvert doesn't see how Trump getting exposed for using victims of child sex trafficking as a prop will lose him any votes, because MAGA people do not care about child sex trafficking.
Human trafficking, and child sex trafficking, were one of the main arguments for voting to secure the border. MAGA people probably care a lot about child sex trafficking, it's just child sex trafficking you ignore. Trump losing votes otherwise is not a super meaningful sentence because Trump's probably not running for anything else.
That aside, what I'm really curious is not so much who blames who for Epstein, and what part of Epstein is whose fault, which often falls on a partisan basis, but rather exactly how credible people think the US government is on this in general, regardless of any political side. After all, the US govt has had its share of credibility issues. Is the redacted Phase 1 release, and other leaks, basically it, or is there actually something like a vault/trove of secret evidence that's been unreleased...
My question is this: How many people think the FBI/DOJ, or any administrations, have deliberately withheld or destroyed or are covering up flight logs to Epstein island because they're incriminating?
Poll: The govt is covering up incriminating flight logs to Epstein Island.(Vote): Yes, I agree
(Vote): No, I disagree.
(Vote): Unsure/Don't care/See results.
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I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Yes, the losers voting for him and GOP might be fucking mad (for a week or so), but Trump doesn't really care since he doesn't need them to like him anymore.
They are just people, mostly without money or power... if you are a texan road worker or a palestinian teacher.. fuck you! You don't even golf.
If you ever confront trump, the secret service is obligated to make your head disappear in red mist, until Trump drops dead.
He is going to be protected forever, and him parking his smelly diaper ass on the throne in Whitehouse, means that you got to
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If he is going for a 3rd term, he can just rely on his lawyers, and law-benders, the SCOTUS and Congress and the oligarchs. To many people's surprises.. there isn't many laws preventing you from being an absolute asshole when you are POTUS, it was just common sense not to be.
He already claimed to be "At war" with Mexico, and with californian ursupists to legalize the use of active military.
Why not claim to be at war again, and cancle the next elections?
The US public seemingly never has never understood the "I am just a small cog" nazi nomalization mechanism, and since your society is mostly made up from people that accept medieval working conditions and worse than medieval wealth distrubtion... a threat of unemployment because of anti-oligarch behavior... is basicly as good as a death threat.
Those 180 thousand million dollars for ICE will buy Trump a personal army... just like Putin has within the greater russian military.
Those Tech-Bros will help to tag citizens who don't play ball and are to be forever "unemployed". The trained behavior of "unemployed means lazy or crazy" in your culture will help to drive a wedge betweeen Supporters.. and Opponents.
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On July 17 2025 10:08 Turbovolver wrote:
Just a reminder that in 2022 oBlade was happy to accuse presidents of erasing themselves out of photos with Epstein.
r/agedlikemilk on Reddit is having a beautiful time right now posting side-by-sides of far-right social media darlings going from accusing Dems of being on the Epstein list in 2024 to saying it doesn't matter in 2025, then getting ratio'd by their own followers.
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On July 17 2025 13:45 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2025 09:10 Billyboy wrote:
The MAGA world is so wild right now, and oBlade does not seem like a good representative of it right now for people who do not have actual MAGA people in their lives. The MAGA folk are turning on the Donald pretty hard. For example the babylon bee posted a picture of Trump with the caption "Man Who Vowed to Release Epstein Files Berates Idiots for Believing There Are Epstein Files." They are posting the clips of him saying he might not release it from a while ago, pictures of Trump with Epstein, Pictures of Trump with young girls. Well it is True that Trump probably could have shot someone in the middle of 5th ave and not lose voters. It turns out that this is many of their red lines. Calling his people stupid and idiots for believing the list is not helping him.
Going to be interesting to see how many of the self interested congress people who have a election approaching quickly are going to react. More scared of Trumps retribution or the fall out from Epstein situation. Some hard decisions coming! And it is likely going to matter at the polls. I do not think a bunch of these people will be swapping their votes to Democrats, but not showing up is a real possibility. A lot of republicans were already worried about turnout with Trump not being on a ticket, now that they are pissed at Trump it will be a huge issue. It's July 2025, relax. If anything I have to assume this less salience 19 months than almost anything else, barring some huge revelation. It doesn't really affect people's lives. I also think you are overestimating how important this is to most people, even MAGA people. Pretty sure the people who complain about Epstein stuff are disproportionally loud.
It is a long time, especially now a days. I'm sure Trump will have 100 chaotic fights between now and then. But this one needs to not be underestimated. I've never seen the MAGA people say a bad word about him, now not only are they calling him a pedophile but they are calling it the Guardians Of Pedophiles and they are even cracking jokes about how his dancing shows how he has a "autist son" and shit. I do not think they let this go.
On July 17 2025 14:29 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2025 09:10 Billyboy wrote:
The MAGA world is so wild right now, and oBlade does not seem like a good representative of it right now for people who do not have actual MAGA people in their lives. The MAGA folk are turning on the Donald pretty hard. For example the babylon bee posted a picture of Trump with the caption "Man Who Vowed to Release Epstein Files Berates Idiots for Believing There Are Epstein Files." They are posting the clips of him saying he might not release it from a while ago, pictures of Trump with Epstein, Pictures of Trump with young girls. Well it is True that Trump probably could have shot someone in the middle of 5th ave and not lose voters. It turns out that this is many of their red lines. Calling his people stupid and idiots for believing the list is not helping him.
Trump follows MAGA’s lead just as much as MAGA follows Trump’s lead. We saw that when Trump tried to brag about operation warp speed and the vaccine and MAGA told him fuck the vaccine. He’s a former New York democrat that is out to enrich himself. He probably doesn’t give a shit about abortion but he knows his base does. He’s a populist that’s good at feeling which way the wind is blowing. MAGA is not going to be okay with burying the Epstein file just because dear leader says so. Whether this will translate into votes swinging in the next election remains to be seen but I’m confident Dems will squander any advantage they could get from this.
Lots of these people are MAGA over GOP and were not Republicans or even care about what most republicans care about. They are full in on the conspiracies. People who do not have guys like this on their Facebook do not understand how much they talk about this kind of shit and how invested they are. It becomes almost their entire personality. They so badly want to PWN the people who called them idiots, and now Trump is calling them suckers, idiots and falling for a hoax. It is a really big deal.
But yes Dems will probably drop the bag by moving on to the next scandal that these people don't give two shits about.
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On July 17 2025 21:56 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2025 10:08 Turbovolver wrote:
Just a reminder that in 2022 oBlade was happy to accuse presidents of erasing themselves out of photos with Epstein. r/agedlikemilk on Reddit is having a beautiful time right now posting side-by-sides of far-right social media darlings going from accusing Dems of being on the Epstein list in 2024 to saying it doesn't matter in 2025, then getting ratio'd by their own followers.
Geeze, those darlings seem like grifting hypocrites who don't know what they're talking about, luckily the majority of their cult followers aren't having it.
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On July 17 2025 21:56 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2025 10:08 Turbovolver wrote:
Just a reminder that in 2022 oBlade was happy to accuse presidents of erasing themselves out of photos with Epstein. r/agedlikemilk on Reddit is having a beautiful time right now posting side-by-sides of far-right social media darlings going from accusing Dems of being on the Epstein list in 2024 to saying it doesn't matter in 2025, then getting ratio'd by their own followers.
It so doesn't matter what npcs on the internet think or say, or how they might get off on their "gotcha" moments.
I bet half of the braintwats that still use twitter use "Epstein doesn't matter" as ragebait to get more views on their posts.
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We're all trying to find the guy who did this!
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On July 17 2025 14:59 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2025 14:48 Sermokala wrote:
Introvert has forgotten that this was a MAGA talking point in the last election and for Trump to now refuse to release the list and tell people to shut up about it means that it was all done by republicans to use victims of child sex trafficing to score political points in an election, with no intent to actually do anything about it. Introvert doesn't see how Trump getting exposed for using victims of child sex trafficking as a prop will lose him any votes, because MAGA people do not care about child sex trafficking. I know you're full on copium right now, but BJ and Introvert have a point: the election is ages away and what happened in July 2025 isn't going to matter at all in November 2026, especially with how incompetent the Democrats are. The attention span of the average person is a few weeks at best, and more likely a few hours. That said, we can all enjoy their brains melting for now and the next few days. Let's hope it occupies the entire government apparatus for another few weeks. Because everything else Trump has done has been actively awful for the average American. Him spending 24/7 doing damage control for rich people (including himself) is comparatively harmless.
I am full on copium because they're right, not going after child sex trafficking is just another thing on the list of things that MAGA doesn't actually give a shit about. Dead kids don't mean anything, death camps don't mean anything, concentration camps in florida don't mean anything.
You can hope that these people have values, morals, or memories but we all know that it doesn't mean anything to them. You can already see the switchup from people in this thread that are trying to downplay it like it wasn't a big deal during the election and that a swath of trumps ilk weren't hyping up them releaseing it beacuse of the dems that were on it.
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Should be interesting to see if this gets any viral publicity on the right, and which side they trust/favor. Southern vs. Tate, right after Trump vs. Epstein, right after Trump vs. Musk; I wish their followers were self-aware enough to realize all their hypocrisy and special pleading for when the rules do/don't apply.
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On July 17 2025 13:45 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2025 09:10 Billyboy wrote:
The MAGA world is so wild right now, and oBlade does not seem like a good representative of it right now for people who do not have actual MAGA people in their lives. The MAGA folk are turning on the Donald pretty hard. For example the babylon bee posted a picture of Trump with the caption "Man Who Vowed to Release Epstein Files Berates Idiots for Believing There Are Epstein Files." They are posting the clips of him saying he might not release it from a while ago, pictures of Trump with Epstein, Pictures of Trump with young girls. Well it is True that Trump probably could have shot someone in the middle of 5th ave and not lose voters. It turns out that this is many of their red lines. Calling his people stupid and idiots for believing the list is not helping him.
Going to be interesting to see how many of the self interested congress people who have a election approaching quickly are going to react. More scared of Trumps retribution or the fall out from Epstein situation. Some hard decisions coming! And it is likely going to matter at the polls. I do not think a bunch of these people will be swapping their votes to Democrats, but not showing up is a real possibility. A lot of republicans were already worried about turnout with Trump not being on a ticket, now that they are pissed at Trump it will be a huge issue. It's July 2025, relax. If anything I have to assume this less salience 19 months than almost anything else, barring some huge revelation. It doesn't really affect people's lives. I also think you are overestimating how important this is to most people, even MAGA people. Pretty sure the people who complain about Epstein stuff are disproportionally loud.
Grounded, real things that impact people hardly seems like what politics has been interested in for a while, hence 'They're eating the pets' among many other things. I wouldn't be so sure it not affecting people matters to people, emotionally.
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If you'll permit me to address this in the style of Lauren Southern, "If this isn't just yet another case of a hysterical woman trying to bring down a conservative influencer then she needs to own up to her own part in this misunderstanding. Are we supposed to believe that she didn't want it? She knew that this was a group of hyper virile, hyper masculine, conservative men and yet she inserted herself into that situation. Are we supposed to believe that she felt like she had something valuable to contribute to their discussions of political philosophy and the future of America? If they had any questions about the dishwasher they'd go to the kitchen and ask it. She put herself in that situation. Where was her husband? Where was her father? She deliberately sought out alone time with this extremely manly and heterosexual man and now we're supposed to believe that she didn't want whatever might have happened? What was he meant to think? That she wasn't interested in him? What else could she possibly have expected him to do? She owes him an apology for leading him on and smearing his good name after what was clearly a case of an infatuated girl lacking good Christian virtues and basic common sense. Unfortunately for her she's now damaged goods, no good Christian man would want her after what she's done."
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As much as she might deserve mockery, the fact that Southern is one of the few anti-feminists to have experienced the obvious effects of their own ideology in real time and decided to publicize it (even if she fell short of actually admitting feminists were correct since the beginning) makes the whole thing profoundly sad.
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I’d fall short of saying she deserves the fate she gleefully wished on others but it’s like when the terrorist bomb maker accidentally blows up their own family. It’d be better if they didn’t but if they have to hurt someone then at least it’s themselves.
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