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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
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Introvert
United States4862 Posts
On July 17 2025 09:10 Billyboy wrote: The MAGA world is so wild right now, and oBlade does not seem like a good representative of it right now for people who do not have actual MAGA people in their lives. The MAGA folk are turning on the Donald pretty hard. For example the babylon bee posted a picture of Trump with the caption "Man Who Vowed to Release Epstein Files Berates Idiots for Believing There Are Epstein Files." They are posting the clips of him saying he might not release it from a while ago, pictures of Trump with Epstein, Pictures of Trump with young girls. Well it is True that Trump probably could have shot someone in the middle of 5th ave and not lose voters. It turns out that this is many of their red lines. Calling his people stupid and idiots for believing the list is not helping him. Going to be interesting to see how many of the self interested congress people who have a election approaching quickly are going to react. More scared of Trumps retribution or the fall out from Epstein situation. Some hard decisions coming! And it is likely going to matter at the polls. I do not think a bunch of these people will be swapping their votes to Democrats, but not showing up is a real possibility. A lot of republicans were already worried about turnout with Trump not being on a ticket, now that they are pissed at Trump it will be a huge issue. It's July 2025, relax. If anything I have to assume this less salience 19 months than almost anything else, barring some huge revelation. It doesn't really affect people's lives. I also think you are overestimating how important this is to most people, even MAGA people. Pretty sure the people who complain about Epstein stuff are disproportionally loud. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14047 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On July 17 2025 09:10 Billyboy wrote: The MAGA world is so wild right now, and oBlade does not seem like a good representative of it right now for people who do not have actual MAGA people in their lives. The MAGA folk are turning on the Donald pretty hard. For example the babylon bee posted a picture of Trump with the caption "Man Who Vowed to Release Epstein Files Berates Idiots for Believing There Are Epstein Files." They are posting the clips of him saying he might not release it from a while ago, pictures of Trump with Epstein, Pictures of Trump with young girls. Well it is True that Trump probably could have shot someone in the middle of 5th ave and not lose voters. It turns out that this is many of their red lines. Calling his people stupid and idiots for believing the list is not helping him. Trump follows MAGA’s lead just as much as MAGA follows Trump’s lead. We saw that when Trump tried to brag about operation warp speed and the vaccine and MAGA told him fuck the vaccine. He’s a former New York democrat that is out to enrich himself. He probably doesn’t give a shit about abortion but he knows his base does. He’s a populist that’s good at feeling which way the wind is blowing. MAGA is not going to be okay with burying the Epstein file just because dear leader says so. Whether this will translate into votes swinging in the next election remains to be seen but I’m confident Dems will squander any advantage they could get from this. | ||
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Introvert
United States4862 Posts
On July 17 2025 14:29 BlackJack wrote: Trump follows MAGA’s lead just as much as MAGA follows Trump’s lead. We saw that when Trump tried to brag about operation warp speed and the vaccine and MAGA told him fuck the vaccine. He’s a former New York democrat that is out to enrich himself. He probably doesn’t give a shit about abortion but he knows his base does. He’s a populist that’s good at feeling which way the wind is blowing. MAGA is not going to be okay with burying the Epstein file just because dear leader says so. Whether this will translate into votes swinging in the next election remains to be seen but I’m confident Dems will squander any advantage they could get from this. If that's true (I'm not sure it's as evenly balanced) then Trump apparently has a different feel for what's going on here than you or many others do. sometimes Trump does keep is mouth shut (i.e. warp speed, although he can't trash it because it was his thing). But in this case he's full on "you guys need to get over it" mode. I guess you could say that's self-defense because he's somehow implicated, but if Trump really could shoot someone on 5th avenue, then maybe MAGA is more Trump than you think. Again though, how on earth this is going to cost him votes in November of NEXT year is something I am struggling to understand. An awful lot will happen between now and then. That's how the last Trump presidency went too. Heck, that's how most of them go nowadays. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14047 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18124 Posts
On July 17 2025 14:48 Sermokala wrote: Introvert has forgotten that this was a MAGA talking point in the last election and for Trump to now refuse to release the list and tell people to shut up about it means that it was all done by republicans to use victims of child sex trafficing to score political points in an election, with no intent to actually do anything about it. Introvert doesn't see how Trump getting exposed for using victims of child sex trafficking as a prop will lose him any votes, because MAGA people do not care about child sex trafficking. I know you're full on copium right now, but BJ and Introvert have a point: the election is ages away and what happened in July 2025 isn't going to matter at all in November 2026, especially with how incompetent the Democrats are. The attention span of the average person is a few weeks at best, and more likely a few hours. That said, we can all enjoy their brains melting for now and the next few days. Let's hope it occupies the entire government apparatus for another few weeks. Because everything else Trump has done has been actively awful for the average American. Him spending 24/7 doing damage control for rich people (including himself) is comparatively harmless. | ||
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oBlade
United States5768 Posts
On July 17 2025 06:36 KwarK wrote: If you had a dead man’s switch as Epstein and you didn’t want to go to prison and they didn’t want all the evidence to come out in a trial but they couldn’t exactly just let you go then what would that look like? How would they avoid holding a trial while also avoiding releasing you without charge? Okay "Epstein didn't kill himself" because he's still alive and living on his other, secret private island. If every party to the conspiracy knows everything, or a huge amount enough to sink the whole ship, that's incredibly dangerous. You only need one lunatic to go rogue - the cost/benefit is totally imbalanced. Say you have 100 pedorapists. It only takes one to grow a conscience or have a grudge against several others that he's willing to sacrifice himself. The more people who know, the more benefit from flipping and revealing everything first, for immunity. It's not a stable equilibrium. So if you're at the point where Trump can't railroad his enemies who were part of it because he was part of it and they would reveal everything, and Biden couldn't railroad Trump because Clinton was part of it and they would reveal everything, you have to square it with this: Ghislaine would have also known everything. She's equal. Yet they railroaded her, or allowed it, and she didn't blow, or rather hasn't yet blown, the whistle on the whole cabal. Despite getting twenty fuckin' years in the can. That's the damnedest example of taking one for the team I've ever seen. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On July 17 2025 14:30 Introvert wrote: That's right, you got me. The influencers and politicians who are hyping this up are definitely doing it because they care about sex trafficking, not because they want to make some political point. Which is why this whole story at the moment revolves around Donald Trump. Democrats care so much they didn't say a peep for four years, certain right-wing influencers care because they can make some broader point about the deep state. maybe I'm just overly cynical but I don't see a lot of actual concern for victims of sex trafficking around. If that's true (I'm not sure it's as evenly balanced) then Trump apparently has a different feel for what's going on here than you or many others do. sometimes Trump does keep is mouth shut (i.e. warp speed, although he can't trash it because it was his thing). But in this case he's full on "you guys need to get over it" mode. I guess you could say that's self-defense because he's somehow implicated, but if Trump really could shoot someone on 5th avenue, then maybe MAGA is more Trump than you think. Again though, how on earth this is going to cost him votes in November of NEXT year is something I am struggling to understand. An awful lot will happen between now and then. That's how the last Trump presidency went too. Heck, that's how most of them go nowadays. This is how we know Trump is in fact on the list - otherwise he'd have no reason to bury it. He is a fucking populist, he goes where the wind blows, and precisely because of that his actions don't add up unless he's guilty as fuck. He's a convicted felon. We know he's the kind of person who does this kind of crime without any remorse whatsoever. Of course he would do something even worse than the things he's been previously convicted of. Trump is not playing populist right now. He's doing the exact opposite. He's doing what a pedophile in the position of president would do. He acts like he's scared for his life. It's so obvious that the list is real and it'd incriminate extremely important people, including Trump. The list is real and Trump is on it. That's the most likely scenario. Friendly reminder that Elon Musk not too long ago also accused Trump of being on the list. We took that with a big grain of salt because those two just had a major break-up and their little fling had ended. But now we can see that Elon may've just had additional information. Why has Elon not made it public? Because he's on the list, too. I give that a 50% chance. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On July 17 2025 14:59 Acrofales wrote: I know you're full on copium right now, but BJ and Introvert have a point: the election is ages away and what happened in July 2025 isn't going to matter at all in November 2026, especially with how incompetent the Democrats are. The attention span of the average person is a few weeks at best, and more likely a few hours. That said, we can all enjoy their brains melting for now and the next few days. Let's hope it occupies the entire government apparatus for another few weeks. Because everything else Trump has done has been actively awful for the average American. Him spending 24/7 doing damage control for rich people (including himself) is comparatively harmless. What happens in Nov 2026 will definitely be affected by this story right now. It'll be brought back up, people will be reminded over and over again how much of a big deal it was. Their votes will change depending on what their guts say today. If they now start to view some Republicans as little demonic imps, that impression is gonna last for years. Most Republicans will call it character assassination, but some will come to their senses. Pedophilia is where a lot of people draw the line. | ||
KwarK
United States43251 Posts
On July 17 2025 15:50 Magic Powers wrote: Pedophilia is where a lot of people draw the line. It really isn't, not for Republicans. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
And you're wrong again. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4960 Posts
The more you try to impose your need for rigid structure and the more contrived the rules become to sustain said structure, the more you need to invade, the more perverse it becomes. That's why crimes will be brushed under the rug because they're "for the good of the community". | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8642 Posts
cabals have got to be shadowy and rule from darkness. out in the open for "everyone to see" things gotta be fine right? the crypto rug pulls, the qatari plane, cutting from poor people while at the same time giving rich people tax breaks. AND increasing the deficit. letting the doge techbros wreak havoc in the federal bureaucracy for basically no gain. building his personal ICE army with ungodly amounts of money. most transparent admin in all of history folks! Epstein? sorry our bad. should not have used it as a cudgel against "elite Democrats" and campaigned on that for years, given you false hope of actually powerful, rich - but more importantly highly criminal and bloody rotten - people being held accountable. who is POTUS now and known to be a sexual deviant - again bragging about it OPENLY FFS... it was inevitable Epstein and Trump crossed paths way before all this came to light. not many people in NYC with this much money and pull, those circles are very limited. we have all the photos and know all this but somehow it did not matter up to this point. maybe now it is different and the convicted criminal in the White House gets his comeuppance? one can only hope with an electorate this willfully ignorant and tribal. but also disillusioned, and understandably so. /edit: DOJ fires Maurene Comey, daughter of James Comey and a prosecutor in Sean Combs' and Ghislaine Maxwell's cases great timing you guys. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On July 17 2025 16:43 Doublemint wrote: it's highly interesting how Trump and his ilk "being transparent" about their depravity and corruption bricks people's brains. cabals have got to be shadowy and rule from darkness. out in the open for "everyone to see" things gotta be fine right? the crypto rug pulls, the qatari plane, cutting from poor people while at the same time giving rich people tax breaks. AND increasing the deficit. letting the doge techbros wreak havoc in the federal bureaucracy for basically no gain. building his personal ICE army with ungodly amounts of money. most transparent admin in all of history folks! Epstein? sorry our bad. should not have used it as a cudgel against "elite Democrats" and campaigned on that for years, given you false hope of actually powerful, rich - but more importantly highly criminal and bloody rotten - people being held accountable. who is POTUS now and known to be a sexual deviant - again bragging about it OPENLY FFS... it was inevitable Epstein and Trump crossed paths way before all this came to light. not many people in NYC with this much money and pull, those circles are very limited. we have all the photos and know all this but somehow it did not matter up to this point. maybe now it is different and the convicted criminal in the White House gets his comeuppance? one can only hope with an electorate this willfully ignorant and tribal. but also disillusioned, and understandably so. /edit: DOJ fires Maurene Comey, daughter of James Comey and a prosecutor in Sean Combs' and Ghislaine Maxwell's cases great timing you guys. Trump couldn't be making himself look more guilty if he tried. He's doing everything other than outright admit what he did. | ||
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KwarK
United States43251 Posts
Matt Gaetz transported a minor across state lines to have sex with her. Didn’t stop them voting for him. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On July 17 2025 17:17 KwarK wrote: Matt Gaetz transported a minor across state lines to have sex with her. Didn’t stop them voting for him. Yes, Republicans are perfect robots with perfect information who only vote in their best interest and never make a mistake like humans would who can be very dumb sometimes for many years. No, Republicans vote the way they do because they're perfectly evil demonic creatures spawned from hell. Yes, KwarK. Yes. You're so right. Actual example of a Republican: Don't let KwarK see this. It'll blow his mind. | ||
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KwarK
United States43251 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On July 17 2025 17:41 KwarK wrote: Are you okay? I'd like to ask you that. You're the one who divides people into angels and demons. Not me. | ||
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Razyda
888 Posts
On July 17 2025 13:45 Introvert wrote: It's July 2025, relax. If anything I have to assume this less salience 19 months than almost anything else, barring some huge revelation. It doesn't really affect people's lives. I also think you are overestimating how important this is to most people, even MAGA people. Pretty sure the people who complain about Epstein stuff are disproportionally loud. I think you mistaken here. At this point it is pretty obvious that some of the powerful people are rapist/paedophiles and that there is some evidence of that. This is not about the Epstein per se but about the rules. Issue is no one was put in prison for that, like no one (Epstein and Ghiselle dont count really). So if rules do not apply to powerful people, why they should apply to anyone else? Clearly maga hoped that Trump will put some of this powerful in prison and by doing that prove that some rules still apply. He didnt. Way I see it if Trump wont throw them a bone in shape of some Epstein friends head (or maybe Fauci head will do, I think he may realise it to some extent and hence autopen story), a lot of people will stop giving a damn about voting at all. I dont think it is relevant that midterms are year away in this case. As it stands now I would say midterms are for Dems to lose (it would still take something in next level of stupidity, like like allowing abortion till the child finish 18, or such) | ||
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