EPTSometimes people do conspire, sometimes conspiracies are real, Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile sex trafficking ring was probably very real, and I wouldnt be surprised if there are plenty more like it because I don't imagine uber rich and powerful pedophiles are going to choose to kick the habit just because they had to off one of their dealers.
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Zambrah
United States7295 Posts
Sometimes people do conspire, sometimes conspiracies are real, Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile sex trafficking ring was probably very real, and I wouldnt be surprised if there are plenty more like it because I don't imagine uber rich and powerful pedophiles are going to choose to kick the habit just because they had to off one of their dealers. | ||
KwarK
United States42649 Posts
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/How suite! Trump's Brit of all right.-a061140675 After their meeting, Trump flew Madam Maxwell and the model south to the sunshine state, where all three enjoyed a happy weekend together. When they returned to New York, Anouska was installed in one of Donald's many apartments there. + Show Spoiler + https://www.threads.com/@beingliberal/post/C4nvJperkt0/media?hl=zh-hk The girl's name is Anouska De Georgiou. She was one of Epstein's rape victims. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-british-teen-model-was-lured-jeffrey-epstein-s-web-n1056901 Ghislaine literally set Trump up with one of Epstein's victims. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia585 Posts
There is no Epstain's client list. But it would just be mildly embarrassing for people so Trump and co are making sure to protect people's privacy. But Epstein was just a rich financier and only he raped the girls that he was trafficking (and for which he ended up in jail, twice) But if Trump was on it, why didn't the democrats release it. But why would Trump hire people who were talking about it before if he was on it (because he's fucking stupid, by the way, you are worshiping a fucking moron). But Bondi was just referring to a file, not a list on her desk. But, but, but. It's sad that it works, all this shit is very obvious, but these right wing ghouls successfully managed to gaslight people in this thread to defend the existence of Epstein as who he was. No one's talking or linking to Trump very, very obviously screeching about Obama and Hunter Biden in order to distract from this shit because these bootlickers have successfully dragged everyone down into the mud of talking about basic facts, such as the one that Epstein was in jail, was jailed and given a darling deal, did it again and again until he got indicted the second time and then died under extremely suspicious circumstances. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1056 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25207 Posts
On July 17 2025 00:49 LightSpectra wrote: So Republicans repeatedly lied about the Epstein list to win the 2024 election, and I shouldn't be upset because I should've already known they were willfully lying? And I should instead be mad at Democrats for only trying to force a release of the files after Republicans flip-flopped and said they would never release the list because it doesn't exist, before saying it does exist but it was made up by Comey and Biden? I mean, as fucked up as that makes MAGA look by itself, that already is debunked by the fact that Bondi was still going around saying she had the Epstein list well after the election was over and she was appointed AG. So clearly that wasn't just a lie to win gullible idiots like yourself, it was a real, physical piece of evidence. Which means either they didn't actually bother to read it until sometime after February, saw that Trump or other high-level Republicans were on the list, after which they panicked and changed their story, OR they were flaunting the fact they had the list so that any rich people on it could bribe them into never releasing it between February and July. Which of those is supposed to vindicate Republicans, Stormfront? "Locals say Epstein was flying in underage girls long after his conviction for sex crimes—and authorities did nothing to stop him. “It was like he was flaunting it,” says an employee at the airstrip on St. Thomas." https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/horrors-of-jeffrey-epstein-private-island To clarify, I should have said ‘everyone who came into his orbit’, not ‘anyone’. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1450 Posts
On July 17 2025 03:13 WombaT wrote: To clarify, I should have said ‘everyone who came into his orbit’, not ‘anyone’. I was responding specifically to "the idea Epstein ran some paedo island is fanciful nonsense." There were rich people he invited to Little Saint James to partake in sexual abuse of the girls he was trafficking. Virginia Giuffre testified in court that Prince Andrew was one of them. Unrelated, Giuffre met Ghislaine Maxwell when working as a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago, which is (and was at the time) owned by Donald Trump. | ||
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Ze'ev
37 Posts
It almost makes me yearn for the days where the elites could trick us fairly easily into thinking they werent awful: theres something to be said about having to work hard to appear decent, where you only rape innocent people or destroy the lives of poor people behind closed doors. Now a days we have so much information that a large percentage of the population will always know what they are doing and another large portion will suspect it: but we are still powerless to do anything. The pretence of decency and restraint is actually getting peeled back more and more. Its scary to think what this all will look like in ten or twenty years time. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4091 Posts
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LightSpectra
United States1450 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11506 Posts
On July 17 2025 03:46 LightSpectra wrote: His arguments are so astoundingly, embarrassingly bad that letting him talk more is actually making his own side look worse. In gotta say, that is an interesting thing about this whole situation. Seeing oBlade (and others like him) flail around. His best take apparently seriously is "My side lies all the time, why would you believe anything they say?" Which, I gotta say, does not seem to be a really strong position to hold. | ||
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oBlade
United States5582 Posts
On July 17 2025 02:31 Jankisa wrote: There is no Epstain's client list. Okay, who told you there is an Epstein client list, and why do you believe them? Did you just assume because everyone else said, so it's common knowledge? Who wrote the list? Did Epstein keep receipts? Or did the FBI and DOJ compile it? Under what administration(s)? What exactly do you mean by list? Are there flight logs for a plane? Yes. Is there a magic raped-a-kid ledger? How do you know, or do you just want there to be one? On July 17 2025 02:31 Jankisa wrote: But it would just be mildly embarrassing for people so Trump and co are making sure to protect people's privacy. For most federal criminal investigations, does the evidence get publicly dumped once no more charges are to be brought? Does that happen automatically? After FOIA? Or does it require leaking or an express active order to be released? There's going to be standards of privacy that you shouldn't just spam reputation-destroying innuendo if you're the government because it's very hard to sue the government when they have immunity. That's why every investigation of everything doesn't just get dumped to Reddit. It's harder to prosecute after releasing evidence. Probably harder to secure an untainted jury pool and guarantee a fair trial (which you need to guarantee a conviction). It may breach the privacy of people who aren't criminals or even suspected. And the privacy of LEO. That's why things are released redacted, and then people get pissed because it looks like everything is redacted including actual smoking guns that they wanted but now think are being hidden from them. On July 17 2025 02:31 Jankisa wrote: But Epstein was just a rich financier and only he raped the girls that he was trafficking (and for which he ended up in jail, twice) His was proven. The greater the scale of the alleged conspiracy, if you have no evidence, it doesn't become more likely by depending on itself for evidence. Again, we can't make an unlikely conspiracy more likely by making it bigger so it proves itself. That is basic circularism. Some handful of "clients," co-rapists? Sure. The entire Western world? No. On July 17 2025 02:31 Jankisa wrote: But if Trump was on it, why didn't the democrats release it. No one has an answer to this. Not even an unsatisfactory answer. It is the single kryptonite that has to be accounted for in any theory about this issue. The fact you can't see its salience, when it's such an obvious point of inquiry, is what tells us how far gone you are. On July 17 2025 02:31 Jankisa wrote: But why would Trump hire people who were talking about it before if he was on it (because he's fucking stupid, by the way, you are worshiping a fucking moron). I notice this is the only point you can't answer that you bothered to pretend to answer instead of listing in "omg I can't even" style, because it's a chance to insult Blumpf. However, in terms of self-preservation, he's been pretty reliable. On July 17 2025 02:31 Jankisa wrote: But Bondi was just referring to a file, not a list on her desk. Republican AG says there's a list on her desk waiting to review when asked? Holyshit believe her 100% it's gospel. Republican AG says we checked thousands of pages and there's no magic list of guilty people not charged with crimes yet? Holyshit wow gaslighting bootlicker. Amazing. On July 17 2025 02:31 Jankisa wrote: Epstein was in jail, was jailed and given a darling deal, did it again and again until he got indicted the second time and then died under extremely suspicious circumstances. You know, that's another thing, why'd they go after Epstein? And Ghislaine a little bit? Why poke the sleeping bear only to decapitate him? Isn't that more dangerous, what if the truth about Drumpf, Clinton, et al. were to come out? Seems an unforced strategic error. Maybe they didn't like his leverage? Perhaps CIA or Mossad or whoever controls the information behind the blackmail of 90% of the elite who are pedorapists - they wanted total control and he was in the way. But Ghislaine wasn't in the way so she didn't kill herself. Or maybe, if nothing else, claims for things need reasons that make sense. | ||
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KwarK
United States42649 Posts
On July 17 2025 03:14 LightSpectra wrote: Stormfront's current argument is "Republicans aren't covering up child abuse, they're just criminally incompetent and committing perjury so often that they couldn't help but over-promise action on the Epstein list." I was responding specifically to "the idea Epstein ran some paedo island is fanciful nonsense." There were rich people he invited to Little Saint James to partake in sexual abuse of the girls he was trafficking. Virginia Giuffre testified in court that Prince Andrew was one of them. Unrelated, Giuffre met Ghislaine Maxwell when working as a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago, which is (and was at the time) owned by Donald Trump. The Giuffre who tragically committed suicide before she could testify against others? The one who thought she’d be killed with a staged suicide and clarified preemptively that she wasn’t suicidal and that if it was reported that she killed herself then she’d been murdered? That one? Clearly suicide was on her mind, nobody who isn’t thinking about it a lot goes to those lengths to insist that they’re not suicidal. | ||
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KwarK
United States42649 Posts
Literally everyone has an answer to this. It's been answered a million times. Clinton. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15686 Posts
I think you guys are missing a critical detail: Yes, its still a way better idea to just refuse to release it. The actual full information available is likely so depraved AND expansive, they are truly better off just letting people assume that's true. Still 100x better than full, direct evidence. This was all clearly a big ole honeypot kinda suicide pact of sorts. They were in the club, they got what they wanted, and they were basically bound in a blood oath for it. | ||
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KwarK
United States42649 Posts
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oBlade
United States5582 Posts
On July 17 2025 04:14 KwarK wrote: Literally everyone has an answer to this. It's been answered a million times. Clinton. If you want to make that work so it rests just on Clinton and not an Illuminati level total conspiracy, you patch the boat and make a bunch more leaks: 1) The FBI didn't notice Clinton in their investigations of Epstein under GWB, or found it and covered it up to protect him because Clinton being involved in a sexual scandal would be too much for the nation to endure 2) Epstein, famous blackmailer of rich powerful people around the world by selling them kids to rape, when under investigation chose not to flip against one of them to save his ass by giving Clinton up to the GWB FBI in exchange for immunity Now what kind of deep state must there be that has collected child rape proof of all sides of the political aisle, and sides of the pond, and doesn't act on it. And hasn't let anyone leak it. That's possibly the most successful federal operation in history. The mafia don't have that level of loyalty. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15686 Posts
On July 17 2025 04:29 KwarK wrote: Sure, not just Clinton. But like Trump, if you tell me Clinton got on the Lolita Express to the underage sex island where their friend, the host of the underage sex parties, was holding underage sex parties for his friends, and then you tell me he was just there for their D&D campaign or whatever then I'm not going to buy it. If he wants the benefit of the doubt then he should have fewer credible accusers and no history of sexual misconduct. I think everyone involved with the decision to just refuse to release understands that. They are doing this knowing full well it makes them look unbelievably guilty, even Trump himself. They know that given the 2 choices they have, incredibly obvious guilt is still better than people seeing the evidence. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1450 Posts
Unfortunately for Republicans they decided to weaponize the Epstein list to win an election and are now acting like anyone who ever believed them are fucking morons for having done so. On that, I agree. | ||
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KwarK
United States42649 Posts
If I understand you correctly you’re saying that if he hypothetically did have that network then he’d have leaned on his connections and blackmail in order to secure his release. If the conspiracy went that deep and covered that many people then he’d have basically been above the law. He’d have been given some kind of crazy sweetheart deal, the prosecutors would lie to the judge, evidence would go missing, people would be conflicted out. Here’s the thing. All that is literally what happened when he was caught in 2005. You might as well say “let’s say that we accept that there was a conspiracy by a bunch of Arabs to attack the World Trade Center, if that were true then surely there’d no longer be a World Trade Center”. I don’t disagree with your reasoning of what such a conspiracy would look like. That’s exactly what it would look like. It’s also exactly what we can all see happened. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10699 Posts
On July 17 2025 04:29 KwarK wrote: Sure, not just Clinton. But like Trump, if you tell me Clinton got on the Lolita Express to the underage sex island where their friend, the host of the underage sex parties, was holding underage sex parties for his friends, and then you tell me he was just there for their D&D campaign or whatever then I'm not going to buy it. If he wants the benefit of the doubt then he should have fewer credible accusers and no history of sexual misconduct. He didn't inhale so it's fine! Btw: What I don't get about this outrage... Trump has done comparably bad stuff and was actually convicted for it. I don't get why so many people suddenly decided to find their moral compass right here. | ||
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