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On July 08 2026 02:53 Jankisa wrote:
It's mind boggling to me that people can smugly advocate for individuals having more money and power then whole nations of tens of millions while 5 million children die from consequences of poverty every year and still sleep at night.
I almost wrote "and feel good about themselves" but the individuals posting this shit here are clearly miserable so that definitely wouldn't work.
That's nothing, I've literally seen a guy claim someone's business got $30 billion from the government, those businesses turned it into $3 trillion (100x) worth of prosperity in terms of publicly traded companies' market cap, and then be angry at that person for only paying the single biggest tax bill in the history of the IRS instead of asking "How can we clone this person?"
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On July 08 2026 03:08 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 02:53 Jankisa wrote:
It's mind boggling to me that people can smugly advocate for individuals having more money and power then whole nations of tens of millions while 5 million children die from consequences of poverty every year and still sleep at night.
I almost wrote "and feel good about themselves" but the individuals posting this shit here are clearly miserable so that definitely wouldn't work. That's nothing, I've literally seen a guy claim someone's business got $30 billion from the government, those businesses turned it into $3 trillion (100x) worth of prosperity in terms of publicly traded companies' market cap, and then be angry at that person for only paying the single biggest tax bill in the history of the IRS instead of asking "How can we clone this person?"
Translation: billionaire made a lot of Monopoly money off of your taxes that he can convert into real money by using his untaxed, unrealized gains as collateral for loans. Deeply delusional people that think this is a good thing can't lick the shit off his boots fast enough.
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On July 08 2026 03:08 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 02:53 Jankisa wrote:
It's mind boggling to me that people can smugly advocate for individuals having more money and power then whole nations of tens of millions while 5 million children die from consequences of poverty every year and still sleep at night.
I almost wrote "and feel good about themselves" but the individuals posting this shit here are clearly miserable so that definitely wouldn't work. That's nothing, I've literally seen a guy claim someone's business got $30 billion from the government, those businesses turned it into $3 trillion (100x) worth of prosperity in terms of publicly traded companies' market cap, and then be angry at that person for only paying the single biggest tax bill in the history of the IRS instead of asking "How can we clone this person?"
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Even if you are for cutting USAID, can you at least acknowledge that the way it was cut led to unnecessary death and suffering? If there is a support infrastructure that people are reliant upon. And then you suddenly yank it away without a transition period that's the absolutely the best way to destroy lives and the worst way to end a program. Right?
And they did it while wasting food that had already been ear-marked for aid. That's was also really, really bad. Right? Unconscionable even?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-aid-cuts-leave-food-millions-mouldering-storage-2025-05-16/
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On July 08 2026 03:03 LightSpectra wrote:
I will never understand the mindset that not only should billionaires even exist at all in a world replete with child poverty, especially in our own country, but that their wealth should be magnified and their (already middling) social responsibility vaporized. They need more tax cuts because they don't have enough jumbo jets and giga-yachts than they already do. Then when they're inevitably getting caught committing felonies, they need pardons because the economy would collapse without them.
Bootlicking as a personality should have been obliterated from the human race centuries ago.
It's basically "If you can't beat em, join em"
If you recognize the power billionaires (there are plenty others that don't show up on the forbes list) have over society, it is very easy to conclude that they're unstoppable and it's better to be their lackey than their enemy.
What blows my mind is how people don't realize that encompasses the entire political structure in the US
EDIT: Related article:
A Sense of Powerlessness Fosters System Justification: Implications for the Legitimation of Authority, Hierarchy,
and Government
In an attempt to explain the stability of hierarchy, we focus on the perspective of the powerless and how a
subjective sense of dependence leads them to imbue the system and its authorities with legitimacy. In Study 1,
we found in a nationally representative sample of U.S. employees that financial dependence on one’s job was
positively associated with the perceived legitimacy of one’s supervisor. In Study 2, we observed that a general
sense of powerlessness was positively correlated with the perceived legitimacy of the economic system. In
Studies 3 and 4, priming experimental participants with feelings of powerlessness increased their justification
of the social system, even when they were presented with system-challenging explanations for race, class, and
gender disparities. In Study 5, we demonstrated that the experience of powerlessness increased legitimation of
governmental authorities (relative to baseline conditions). The processes we identify are likely to perpetuate
inequality insofar as the powerless justify rather than strive to change the hierarchical structures that disadvantage them
https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/area/center/justice/document/a_sense_of_powerlessness_fosters_system_justification.pdf
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On July 08 2026 03:24 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 03:08 oBlade wrote:On July 08 2026 02:53 Jankisa wrote:
It's mind boggling to me that people can smugly advocate for individuals having more money and power then whole nations of tens of millions while 5 million children die from consequences of poverty every year and still sleep at night.
I almost wrote "and feel good about themselves" but the individuals posting this shit here are clearly miserable so that definitely wouldn't work. That's nothing, I've literally seen a guy claim someone's business got $30 billion from the government, those businesses turned it into $3 trillion (100x) worth of prosperity in terms of publicly traded companies' market cap, and then be angry at that person for only paying the single biggest tax bill in the history of the IRS instead of asking "How can we clone this person?" Translation: billionaire made a lot of Monopoly money off of your taxes that he can convert into real money by using his untaxed, unrealized gains as collateral for loans. Deeply delusional people that think this is a good thing can't lick the shit off his boots fast enough.
Problem: Pizza store owner next to your house became richer than you.
Solution: Enjoy his pizza and use the mood boost to have energy to contribute productively to the world in exchange for capital.
Not solution: Call him the most malicious person in the neighborhood, burn his building down (nobody should control that much pizza) and shoot him.
Problem: Billionaires take out loans against unrealized gains as collateral.
Solution: Pass law to treat it as realization event while watching American jobs send our space program into orbit.
Not solution: Seize and dissolve his company (nobody should like have that much "money" or power man), force government to buy more expensive rockets from existing status quo billion dollar companies (who definitely aren't separately in politicians' pockets) out of spite, and shoot him.
On July 08 2026 03:53 Falling wrote:Even if you are for cutting USAID, can you at least acknowledge that the way it was cut led to unnecessary death and suffering? If there is a support infrastructure that people are reliant upon. And then you suddenly yank it away without a transition period that's the absolutely the best way to destroy lives and the worst way to end a program. Right? And they did it while wasting food that had already been ear-marked for aid. That's was also really, really bad. Right? Unconscionable even? https://www.reuters.com/world/us-aid-cuts-leave-food-millions-mouldering-storage-2025-05-16/
You know I was here last year?
You have linked an article from May predicting what will happen by July. It is now the next July. We don't need to speculate and predict a past that already happened. Surely you have the follow-up.
Put something specific and concrete in front of me and I'll explain that death and suffering are bad. "These grain bars went uneaten" doesn't do it for me.
You have linked the article that says 60,000 tons of food blahblah something might happen. You didn't link the one that said they destroyed a total of 500 tons. Big gap in those numbers. That seems fishy if done on purpose. Have any newer updates?
Otherwise what's the use saying death is bad? Of course it's unnecessary. No such death is necessary (note context, quote miners). Is it better to the extent the government first says hey NGO A, you need to find a new patron starting from time T, and also NGO B, you need to deal directly with Contractor X from Time T because we'll be out, and Government G you need to liaise with NGO C yourself. Sure. But that also guarantees nothing. When Razyda gives that homeless guy ten of a currency, he's still not on the hook to find someone else to give the next ten if he doesn't want to or else he's a killer. I am never going to buy this line at this rate. The criteria to actually reach WombaT's mid-pulling of the one and only lifebuoy of the person who can't swim at all? I haven't seen anything close to that standard. It's certainly possible. I mean this is the State Department after all.
Want to acknowledge that keeping USAID opaque for years and mixing whatever last ditch lifesaving care there was in the same place as millions for electric vehicles in Vietnam, tourism in Egypt, DEI in Serbian workplaces, etc., was a bad idea?
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It looks like we're back to trying to steal Greenland, this time threatening to not help allies militarily. (In the past, Trump has also threatened to take Greenland by military force, as well as threatened to impose additional tariffs on our allies.)
Trump reignites call for US to control Greenland at NATO summit
President Donald Trump reignited his call for the United States to control Greenland, threatening to remove American soldiers from European nations over the issue, as the 2026 NATO summit got underway in Ankara on July 7. ... Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark."
Trump took NATO to the brink of disaster in January before he eventually ruled out military action to acquire Greenland and pulled back threats to impose tariffs on European allies. Tensions deescalated after Trump announced the "framework of a future deal" with NATO, Denmark and the Arctic region on security matters.
Trump's Greenland talks died down over the following months, yet Trump introduced a new threat at the NATO summit in Turkey: removing U.S. soldiers from Europe over the continent's opposition. "With all the money we spend to help them with Russia ‒ and we don't have to spend any money ‒ we could remove all of our soldiers out of Europe, because, as you probably noticed, Europe's a very different place than it was 20 years ago, a lot different, much different. ...
The United States has about 68,000 active-duty military personnel stationed in European countries. In May, the Trump administration announced the withdrawal of 5,000 US. troops from Germany in an apparent response to Chancellor Friedrich Merz's criticism of the U.S. war in Iran.
"It is a well-known position of the United States that it wants to own and take over Greenland. I hope that it is equally well-known everywhere that this is not going to happen," Frederiksen said, adding that Denmark has no plans to discuss Arctic or Greenland issues in Ankara. Greenland's government has also repeatedly said the territory is not for sale. Múte Egede, Greenland's foreign minister, in a statement said Greenland's future should be decided by its people. "That's how it has always been. And that's how it always will be," he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/
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On July 08 2026 05:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like we're back to trying to steal Greenland, this time threatening to not help allies militarily. (In the past, Trump has also threatened to take Greenland by military force, as well as threatened to impose additional tariffs on our allies.) Show nested quote +Trump reignites call for US to control Greenland at NATO summit
President Donald Trump reignited his call for the United States to control Greenland, threatening to remove American soldiers from European nations over the issue, as the 2026 NATO summit got underway in Ankara on July 7. ... Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark."
Trump took NATO to the brink of disaster in January before he eventually ruled out military action to acquire Greenland and pulled back threats to impose tariffs on European allies. Tensions deescalated after Trump announced the "framework of a future deal" with NATO, Denmark and the Arctic region on security matters.
Trump's Greenland talks died down over the following months, yet Trump introduced a new threat at the NATO summit in Turkey: removing U.S. soldiers from Europe over the continent's opposition. "With all the money we spend to help them with Russia ‒ and we don't have to spend any money ‒ we could remove all of our soldiers out of Europe, because, as you probably noticed, Europe's a very different place than it was 20 years ago, a lot different, much different. ...
The United States has about 68,000 active-duty military personnel stationed in European countries. In May, the Trump administration announced the withdrawal of 5,000 US. troops from Germany in an apparent response to Chancellor Friedrich Merz's criticism of the U.S. war in Iran.
"It is a well-known position of the United States that it wants to own and take over Greenland. I hope that it is equally well-known everywhere that this is not going to happen," Frederiksen said, adding that Denmark has no plans to discuss Arctic or Greenland issues in Ankara. Greenland's government has also repeatedly said the territory is not for sale. Múte Egede, Greenland's foreign minister, in a statement said Greenland's future should be decided by its people. "That's how it has always been. And that's how it always will be," he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/
If Trump ordered Greenland taken by military force, would any of you advocate holding at minimum the commanders accountable for following illegal orders (if they took it) and/or implore soldiers to refuse and/or go AWOL?
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On July 08 2026 05:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like we're back to trying to steal Greenland, this time threatening to not help allies militarily. (In the past, Trump has also threatened to take Greenland by military force, as well as threatened to impose additional tariffs on our allies.) Show nested quote +Trump reignites call for US to control Greenland at NATO summit
President Donald Trump reignited his call for the United States to control Greenland, threatening to remove American soldiers from European nations over the issue, as the 2026 NATO summit got underway in Ankara on July 7. ... Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark."
Trump took NATO to the brink of disaster in January before he eventually ruled out military action to acquire Greenland and pulled back threats to impose tariffs on European allies. Tensions deescalated after Trump announced the "framework of a future deal" with NATO, Denmark and the Arctic region on security matters.
Trump's Greenland talks died down over the following months, yet Trump introduced a new threat at the NATO summit in Turkey: removing U.S. soldiers from Europe over the continent's opposition. "With all the money we spend to help them with Russia ‒ and we don't have to spend any money ‒ we could remove all of our soldiers out of Europe, because, as you probably noticed, Europe's a very different place than it was 20 years ago, a lot different, much different. ...
The United States has about 68,000 active-duty military personnel stationed in European countries. In May, the Trump administration announced the withdrawal of 5,000 US. troops from Germany in an apparent response to Chancellor Friedrich Merz's criticism of the U.S. war in Iran.
"It is a well-known position of the United States that it wants to own and take over Greenland. I hope that it is equally well-known everywhere that this is not going to happen," Frederiksen said, adding that Denmark has no plans to discuss Arctic or Greenland issues in Ankara. Greenland's government has also repeatedly said the territory is not for sale. Múte Egede, Greenland's foreign minister, in a statement said Greenland's future should be decided by its people. "That's how it has always been. And that's how it always will be," he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/
Just one week without stupid bullshit is apparently too much to ask. Your fucking manbaby just can't handle not being the center of attention for even three seconds.
If that guy didn't control the worlds biggest military and has proven to make incredibly stupid and idiotic calls that hurt everyone, we could just mute him. But sadly we can't.
US, get your shit together. I am so fucking tired of it.
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On July 08 2026 05:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 05:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like we're back to trying to steal Greenland, this time threatening to not help allies militarily. (In the past, Trump has also threatened to take Greenland by military force, as well as threatened to impose additional tariffs on our allies.) Trump reignites call for US to control Greenland at NATO summit
President Donald Trump reignited his call for the United States to control Greenland, threatening to remove American soldiers from European nations over the issue, as the 2026 NATO summit got underway in Ankara on July 7. ... Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark."
Trump took NATO to the brink of disaster in January before he eventually ruled out military action to acquire Greenland and pulled back threats to impose tariffs on European allies. Tensions deescalated after Trump announced the "framework of a future deal" with NATO, Denmark and the Arctic region on security matters.
Trump's Greenland talks died down over the following months, yet Trump introduced a new threat at the NATO summit in Turkey: removing U.S. soldiers from Europe over the continent's opposition. "With all the money we spend to help them with Russia ‒ and we don't have to spend any money ‒ we could remove all of our soldiers out of Europe, because, as you probably noticed, Europe's a very different place than it was 20 years ago, a lot different, much different. ...
The United States has about 68,000 active-duty military personnel stationed in European countries. In May, the Trump administration announced the withdrawal of 5,000 US. troops from Germany in an apparent response to Chancellor Friedrich Merz's criticism of the U.S. war in Iran.
"It is a well-known position of the United States that it wants to own and take over Greenland. I hope that it is equally well-known everywhere that this is not going to happen," Frederiksen said, adding that Denmark has no plans to discuss Arctic or Greenland issues in Ankara. Greenland's government has also repeatedly said the territory is not for sale. Múte Egede, Greenland's foreign minister, in a statement said Greenland's future should be decided by its people. "That's how it has always been. And that's how it always will be," he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/ If Trump ordered Greenland taken by military force, would any of you advocate holding at minimum the commanders accountable for following illegal orders (if they took it) and/or implore soldiers to refuse and/or go AWOL?
I think military personnel are legally obligated to refuse illegal orders, because their oath is to the Constitution and not just the president, right? If the president orders something that conflicts with the Constitution, the Constitution wins and the president's order loses, I think? If I understand that correctly, then yeah, the military personnel should disobey the command to break the law (whether it's coming from Trump or anyone else), and they should be held accountable if they follow Trump's illegal order instead and break the law (like anyone else).
I don't know enough about specifically going AWOL to comment on that particular instance.
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On July 08 2026 05:26 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 05:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like we're back to trying to steal Greenland, this time threatening to not help allies militarily. (In the past, Trump has also threatened to take Greenland by military force, as well as threatened to impose additional tariffs on our allies.) Trump reignites call for US to control Greenland at NATO summit
President Donald Trump reignited his call for the United States to control Greenland, threatening to remove American soldiers from European nations over the issue, as the 2026 NATO summit got underway in Ankara on July 7. ... Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark."
Trump took NATO to the brink of disaster in January before he eventually ruled out military action to acquire Greenland and pulled back threats to impose tariffs on European allies. Tensions deescalated after Trump announced the "framework of a future deal" with NATO, Denmark and the Arctic region on security matters.
Trump's Greenland talks died down over the following months, yet Trump introduced a new threat at the NATO summit in Turkey: removing U.S. soldiers from Europe over the continent's opposition. "With all the money we spend to help them with Russia ‒ and we don't have to spend any money ‒ we could remove all of our soldiers out of Europe, because, as you probably noticed, Europe's a very different place than it was 20 years ago, a lot different, much different. ...
The United States has about 68,000 active-duty military personnel stationed in European countries. In May, the Trump administration announced the withdrawal of 5,000 US. troops from Germany in an apparent response to Chancellor Friedrich Merz's criticism of the U.S. war in Iran.
"It is a well-known position of the United States that it wants to own and take over Greenland. I hope that it is equally well-known everywhere that this is not going to happen," Frederiksen said, adding that Denmark has no plans to discuss Arctic or Greenland issues in Ankara. Greenland's government has also repeatedly said the territory is not for sale. Múte Egede, Greenland's foreign minister, in a statement said Greenland's future should be decided by its people. "That's how it has always been. And that's how it always will be," he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/ Just one week without stupid bullshit is apparently too much to ask. Your fucking manbaby just can't handle not being the center of attention for even three seconds. If that guy didn't control the worlds biggest military and has proven to make incredibly stupid and idiotic calls that hurt everyone, we could just mute him. But sadly we can't. US, get your shit together. I am so fucking tired of it.
I'm skeptical "shit together" is even on the table at this point. We're basically hoping best case for a managed decline of the US.
I highly recommend "How to Hide an Empire" by Daniel Immerwahr to better understand how the building of US empire is related to how it is fraying and falling apart now.
On July 08 2026 05:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 05:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 08 2026 05:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like we're back to trying to steal Greenland, this time threatening to not help allies militarily. (In the past, Trump has also threatened to take Greenland by military force, as well as threatened to impose additional tariffs on our allies.) Trump reignites call for US to control Greenland at NATO summit
President Donald Trump reignited his call for the United States to control Greenland, threatening to remove American soldiers from European nations over the issue, as the 2026 NATO summit got underway in Ankara on July 7. ... Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark."
Trump took NATO to the brink of disaster in January before he eventually ruled out military action to acquire Greenland and pulled back threats to impose tariffs on European allies. Tensions deescalated after Trump announced the "framework of a future deal" with NATO, Denmark and the Arctic region on security matters.
Trump's Greenland talks died down over the following months, yet Trump introduced a new threat at the NATO summit in Turkey: removing U.S. soldiers from Europe over the continent's opposition. "With all the money we spend to help them with Russia ‒ and we don't have to spend any money ‒ we could remove all of our soldiers out of Europe, because, as you probably noticed, Europe's a very different place than it was 20 years ago, a lot different, much different. ...
The United States has about 68,000 active-duty military personnel stationed in European countries. In May, the Trump administration announced the withdrawal of 5,000 US. troops from Germany in an apparent response to Chancellor Friedrich Merz's criticism of the U.S. war in Iran.
"It is a well-known position of the United States that it wants to own and take over Greenland. I hope that it is equally well-known everywhere that this is not going to happen," Frederiksen said, adding that Denmark has no plans to discuss Arctic or Greenland issues in Ankara. Greenland's government has also repeatedly said the territory is not for sale. Múte Egede, Greenland's foreign minister, in a statement said Greenland's future should be decided by its people. "That's how it has always been. And that's how it always will be," he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/ If Trump ordered Greenland taken by military force, would any of you advocate holding at minimum the commanders accountable for following illegal orders (if they took it) and/or implore soldiers to refuse and/or go AWOL? I think military personnel are legally obligated to refuse illegal orders, because their oath is to the Constitution and not just the president, right? If the president orders something that conflicts with the Constitution, the Constitution wins and the president's order loses, I think? If I understand that correctly, then yeah, the military personnel should disobey the command to break the law (whether it's coming from Trump or anyone else), and they should be held accountable if they follow Trump's illegal order instead and break the law (like anyone else). I don't know enough about specifically going AWOL to comment on that particular instance.
Nice! Well presumably Trump and his loyal commanders don't just let people get away with not following orders and letting them take him to court for it. Advocating for them to go AWOL gives them a scenario where they can honorably resist (despite the illegality) while preserving their own safety.
Obviously that would be quite a disruption to the fabric of US society. Instead of trying to rationalize/justify why we can't/shouldn't hold them accountable, it basically sets up a civil war in the US over Greenland (and the greater fascist movement really).
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On July 08 2026 05:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like we're back to trying to steal Greenland, this time threatening to not help allies militarily. (In the past, Trump has also threatened to take Greenland by military force, as well as threatened to impose additional tariffs on our allies.) Show nested quote +Trump reignites call for US to control Greenland at NATO summit
President Donald Trump reignited his call for the United States to control Greenland, threatening to remove American soldiers from European nations over the issue, as the 2026 NATO summit got underway in Ankara on July 7. ... Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark."
Trump took NATO to the brink of disaster in January before he eventually ruled out military action to acquire Greenland and pulled back threats to impose tariffs on European allies. Tensions deescalated after Trump announced the "framework of a future deal" with NATO, Denmark and the Arctic region on security matters.
Trump's Greenland talks died down over the following months, yet Trump introduced a new threat at the NATO summit in Turkey: removing U.S. soldiers from Europe over the continent's opposition. "With all the money we spend to help them with Russia ‒ and we don't have to spend any money ‒ we could remove all of our soldiers out of Europe, because, as you probably noticed, Europe's a very different place than it was 20 years ago, a lot different, much different. ...
The United States has about 68,000 active-duty military personnel stationed in European countries. In May, the Trump administration announced the withdrawal of 5,000 US. troops from Germany in an apparent response to Chancellor Friedrich Merz's criticism of the U.S. war in Iran.
"It is a well-known position of the United States that it wants to own and take over Greenland. I hope that it is equally well-known everywhere that this is not going to happen," Frederiksen said, adding that Denmark has no plans to discuss Arctic or Greenland issues in Ankara. Greenland's government has also repeatedly said the territory is not for sale. Múte Egede, Greenland's foreign minister, in a statement said Greenland's future should be decided by its people. "That's how it has always been. And that's how it always will be," he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/ Saying the US won't help is not a threat, everyone already knows Trumps America cannot be relied upon for any help.
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On July 08 2026 05:26 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 05:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like we're back to trying to steal Greenland, this time threatening to not help allies militarily. (In the past, Trump has also threatened to take Greenland by military force, as well as threatened to impose additional tariffs on our allies.) Trump reignites call for US to control Greenland at NATO summit
President Donald Trump reignited his call for the United States to control Greenland, threatening to remove American soldiers from European nations over the issue, as the 2026 NATO summit got underway in Ankara on July 7. ... Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark."
Trump took NATO to the brink of disaster in January before he eventually ruled out military action to acquire Greenland and pulled back threats to impose tariffs on European allies. Tensions deescalated after Trump announced the "framework of a future deal" with NATO, Denmark and the Arctic region on security matters.
Trump's Greenland talks died down over the following months, yet Trump introduced a new threat at the NATO summit in Turkey: removing U.S. soldiers from Europe over the continent's opposition. "With all the money we spend to help them with Russia ‒ and we don't have to spend any money ‒ we could remove all of our soldiers out of Europe, because, as you probably noticed, Europe's a very different place than it was 20 years ago, a lot different, much different. ...
The United States has about 68,000 active-duty military personnel stationed in European countries. In May, the Trump administration announced the withdrawal of 5,000 US. troops from Germany in an apparent response to Chancellor Friedrich Merz's criticism of the U.S. war in Iran.
"It is a well-known position of the United States that it wants to own and take over Greenland. I hope that it is equally well-known everywhere that this is not going to happen," Frederiksen said, adding that Denmark has no plans to discuss Arctic or Greenland issues in Ankara. Greenland's government has also repeatedly said the territory is not for sale. Múte Egede, Greenland's foreign minister, in a statement said Greenland's future should be decided by its people. "That's how it has always been. And that's how it always will be," he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/ Just one week without stupid bullshit is apparently too much to ask. Your fucking manbaby just can't handle not being the center of attention for even three seconds. If that guy didn't control the worlds biggest military and has proven to make incredibly stupid and idiotic calls that hurt everyone, we could just mute him. But sadly we can't. US, get your shit together. I am so fucking tired of it.
The real question is in 3 years will the US end the insanity and make some significant rule changes and safe guards to make sure something like this and someone like this can never rule again or continue down this path to self destruction.
Because he is not going to get smarter or less corrupt and the people he has put in place are not going to suddenly grow a spine (though some will claim to have when he dies or his term ends).
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On July 08 2026 06:12 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 05:26 Simberto wrote:On July 08 2026 05:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like we're back to trying to steal Greenland, this time threatening to not help allies militarily. (In the past, Trump has also threatened to take Greenland by military force, as well as threatened to impose additional tariffs on our allies.) Trump reignites call for US to control Greenland at NATO summit
President Donald Trump reignited his call for the United States to control Greenland, threatening to remove American soldiers from European nations over the issue, as the 2026 NATO summit got underway in Ankara on July 7. ... Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark."
Trump took NATO to the brink of disaster in January before he eventually ruled out military action to acquire Greenland and pulled back threats to impose tariffs on European allies. Tensions deescalated after Trump announced the "framework of a future deal" with NATO, Denmark and the Arctic region on security matters.
Trump's Greenland talks died down over the following months, yet Trump introduced a new threat at the NATO summit in Turkey: removing U.S. soldiers from Europe over the continent's opposition. "With all the money we spend to help them with Russia ‒ and we don't have to spend any money ‒ we could remove all of our soldiers out of Europe, because, as you probably noticed, Europe's a very different place than it was 20 years ago, a lot different, much different. ...
The United States has about 68,000 active-duty military personnel stationed in European countries. In May, the Trump administration announced the withdrawal of 5,000 US. troops from Germany in an apparent response to Chancellor Friedrich Merz's criticism of the U.S. war in Iran.
"It is a well-known position of the United States that it wants to own and take over Greenland. I hope that it is equally well-known everywhere that this is not going to happen," Frederiksen said, adding that Denmark has no plans to discuss Arctic or Greenland issues in Ankara. Greenland's government has also repeatedly said the territory is not for sale. Múte Egede, Greenland's foreign minister, in a statement said Greenland's future should be decided by its people. "That's how it has always been. And that's how it always will be," he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/ Just one week without stupid bullshit is apparently too much to ask. Your fucking manbaby just can't handle not being the center of attention for even three seconds. If that guy didn't control the worlds biggest military and has proven to make incredibly stupid and idiotic calls that hurt everyone, we could just mute him. But sadly we can't. US, get your shit together. I am so fucking tired of it. The real question is in 3 years will the US end the insanity and make some significant rule changes and safe guards to make sure something like this and someone like this can never rule again or continue down this path to self destruction. Because he is not going to get smarter or less corrupt and the people he has put in place are not going to suddenly grow a spine (though some will claim to have when he dies or his term ends).
We will mostly know in November. If republicans don't get completely crushed at the midterms, the US will continue on this downward path. If they get obliterated, there is still a chance for the US to recover.
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On July 08 2026 05:26 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 05:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like we're back to trying to steal Greenland, this time threatening to not help allies militarily. (In the past, Trump has also threatened to take Greenland by military force, as well as threatened to impose additional tariffs on our allies.) Trump reignites call for US to control Greenland at NATO summit
President Donald Trump reignited his call for the United States to control Greenland, threatening to remove American soldiers from European nations over the issue, as the 2026 NATO summit got underway in Ankara on July 7. ... Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark."
Trump took NATO to the brink of disaster in January before he eventually ruled out military action to acquire Greenland and pulled back threats to impose tariffs on European allies. Tensions deescalated after Trump announced the "framework of a future deal" with NATO, Denmark and the Arctic region on security matters.
Trump's Greenland talks died down over the following months, yet Trump introduced a new threat at the NATO summit in Turkey: removing U.S. soldiers from Europe over the continent's opposition. "With all the money we spend to help them with Russia ‒ and we don't have to spend any money ‒ we could remove all of our soldiers out of Europe, because, as you probably noticed, Europe's a very different place than it was 20 years ago, a lot different, much different. ...
The United States has about 68,000 active-duty military personnel stationed in European countries. In May, the Trump administration announced the withdrawal of 5,000 US. troops from Germany in an apparent response to Chancellor Friedrich Merz's criticism of the U.S. war in Iran.
"It is a well-known position of the United States that it wants to own and take over Greenland. I hope that it is equally well-known everywhere that this is not going to happen," Frederiksen said, adding that Denmark has no plans to discuss Arctic or Greenland issues in Ankara. Greenland's government has also repeatedly said the territory is not for sale. Múte Egede, Greenland's foreign minister, in a statement said Greenland's future should be decided by its people. "That's how it has always been. And that's how it always will be," he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/ Just one week without stupid bullshit is apparently too much to ask. Your fucking manbaby just can't handle not being the center of attention for even three seconds. If that guy didn't control the worlds biggest military and has proven to make incredibly stupid and idiotic calls that hurt everyone, we could just mute him. But sadly we can't. US, get your shit together. I am so fucking tired of it.
Someone could shoot Trump (in a video game), might help.
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Not sure that martyring anyone helps ever. He needs to get obliterated at the polls (and not the way he uses the word) as Sim said. Jail and all his stolen assets from him and his family returned to the tax payer would help as well.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 08 2026 06:48 Billyboy wrote:
Not sure that martyring anyone helps ever. He needs to get obliterated at the polls (and not the way he uses the word) as Sim said. Jail and all his stolen assets from him and his family returned to the tax payer would help as well.
There’s no immediately obvious successor to profit from martyrdom. And I highly doubt we’ll ever see any kind of successful prosecution and punishment of the lad, or seizure of assets or anything there.
Not really seeing the downsides of him being shot while playing a video game personally
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On July 08 2026 07:03 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 06:48 Billyboy wrote:
Not sure that martyring anyone helps ever. He needs to get obliterated at the polls (and not the way he uses the word) as Sim said. Jail and all his stolen assets from him and his family returned to the tax payer would help as well. There’s no immediately obvious successor to profit from martyrdom. And I highly doubt we’ll ever see any kind of successful prosecution and punishment of the lad, or seizure of assets or anything there. Not really seeing the downsides of him being shot while playing a video game personally
I'd agree with Billyboy here. A much better scenario than an assassination in minecraft would be if US democracy were actually strong enough to fight back and win. It also sends a much stronger and better message.
"Our democracy is strong enough to protect itself from corruption and fascist takeovers" is a much stronger statement than "Some guy with a gun may kill you in minecraft if he disagrees with your politics."
It just sadly doesn't seem that likely to happen.
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On July 08 2026 06:15 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 06:12 Billyboy wrote:On July 08 2026 05:26 Simberto wrote:On July 08 2026 05:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like we're back to trying to steal Greenland, this time threatening to not help allies militarily. (In the past, Trump has also threatened to take Greenland by military force, as well as threatened to impose additional tariffs on our allies.) Trump reignites call for US to control Greenland at NATO summit
President Donald Trump reignited his call for the United States to control Greenland, threatening to remove American soldiers from European nations over the issue, as the 2026 NATO summit got underway in Ankara on July 7. ... Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark."
Trump took NATO to the brink of disaster in January before he eventually ruled out military action to acquire Greenland and pulled back threats to impose tariffs on European allies. Tensions deescalated after Trump announced the "framework of a future deal" with NATO, Denmark and the Arctic region on security matters.
Trump's Greenland talks died down over the following months, yet Trump introduced a new threat at the NATO summit in Turkey: removing U.S. soldiers from Europe over the continent's opposition. "With all the money we spend to help them with Russia ‒ and we don't have to spend any money ‒ we could remove all of our soldiers out of Europe, because, as you probably noticed, Europe's a very different place than it was 20 years ago, a lot different, much different. ...
The United States has about 68,000 active-duty military personnel stationed in European countries. In May, the Trump administration announced the withdrawal of 5,000 US. troops from Germany in an apparent response to Chancellor Friedrich Merz's criticism of the U.S. war in Iran.
"It is a well-known position of the United States that it wants to own and take over Greenland. I hope that it is equally well-known everywhere that this is not going to happen," Frederiksen said, adding that Denmark has no plans to discuss Arctic or Greenland issues in Ankara. Greenland's government has also repeatedly said the territory is not for sale. Múte Egede, Greenland's foreign minister, in a statement said Greenland's future should be decided by its people. "That's how it has always been. And that's how it always will be," he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/ Just one week without stupid bullshit is apparently too much to ask. Your fucking manbaby just can't handle not being the center of attention for even three seconds. If that guy didn't control the worlds biggest military and has proven to make incredibly stupid and idiotic calls that hurt everyone, we could just mute him. But sadly we can't. US, get your shit together. I am so fucking tired of it. The real question is in 3 years will the US end the insanity and make some significant rule changes and safe guards to make sure something like this and someone like this can never rule again or continue down this path to self destruction. Because he is not going to get smarter or less corrupt and the people he has put in place are not going to suddenly grow a spine (though some will claim to have when he dies or his term ends). We will mostly know in November. If republicans don't get completely crushed at the midterms, the US will continue on this downward path. If they get obliterated, there is still a chance for the US to recover.
What would you consider "completely crushed"/"obliterated"?
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On July 08 2026 07:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 06:15 Simberto wrote:On July 08 2026 06:12 Billyboy wrote:On July 08 2026 05:26 Simberto wrote:On July 08 2026 05:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like we're back to trying to steal Greenland, this time threatening to not help allies militarily. (In the past, Trump has also threatened to take Greenland by military force, as well as threatened to impose additional tariffs on our allies.) Trump reignites call for US to control Greenland at NATO summit
President Donald Trump reignited his call for the United States to control Greenland, threatening to remove American soldiers from European nations over the issue, as the 2026 NATO summit got underway in Ankara on July 7. ... Referring to Greenland, Trump added: "That should be controlled by the United States, not by Denmark."
Trump took NATO to the brink of disaster in January before he eventually ruled out military action to acquire Greenland and pulled back threats to impose tariffs on European allies. Tensions deescalated after Trump announced the "framework of a future deal" with NATO, Denmark and the Arctic region on security matters.
Trump's Greenland talks died down over the following months, yet Trump introduced a new threat at the NATO summit in Turkey: removing U.S. soldiers from Europe over the continent's opposition. "With all the money we spend to help them with Russia ‒ and we don't have to spend any money ‒ we could remove all of our soldiers out of Europe, because, as you probably noticed, Europe's a very different place than it was 20 years ago, a lot different, much different. ...
The United States has about 68,000 active-duty military personnel stationed in European countries. In May, the Trump administration announced the withdrawal of 5,000 US. troops from Germany in an apparent response to Chancellor Friedrich Merz's criticism of the U.S. war in Iran.
"It is a well-known position of the United States that it wants to own and take over Greenland. I hope that it is equally well-known everywhere that this is not going to happen," Frederiksen said, adding that Denmark has no plans to discuss Arctic or Greenland issues in Ankara. Greenland's government has also repeatedly said the territory is not for sale. Múte Egede, Greenland's foreign minister, in a statement said Greenland's future should be decided by its people. "That's how it has always been. And that's how it always will be," he said. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/07/trump-us-greenland-control-nato-summit/90836515007/ Just one week without stupid bullshit is apparently too much to ask. Your fucking manbaby just can't handle not being the center of attention for even three seconds. If that guy didn't control the worlds biggest military and has proven to make incredibly stupid and idiotic calls that hurt everyone, we could just mute him. But sadly we can't. US, get your shit together. I am so fucking tired of it. The real question is in 3 years will the US end the insanity and make some significant rule changes and safe guards to make sure something like this and someone like this can never rule again or continue down this path to self destruction. Because he is not going to get smarter or less corrupt and the people he has put in place are not going to suddenly grow a spine (though some will claim to have when he dies or his term ends). We will mostly know in November. If republicans don't get completely crushed at the midterms, the US will continue on this downward path. If they get obliterated, there is still a chance for the US to recover. What would you consider "completely crushed"/"obliterated"?
I don't know in detail, because US elections are weird.
But it would require losing the election so hard that it is very obvious and there really is no question that they got demolished. Not just a moderate loss, but a loss so massive that they cannot explain it away.
A bit of a cop out answer to be sure. But i think "If there is any question if they got crushed, then it probably wasn't enough" is roughly where i'd go here.
Ideally with a shift in legislative power big enough to really harmstring Trumps insanity and maybe even allow for some pushback and movement towards sanity even with an insane president. Maybe supermajorities for the democrats, but i don't know if that is even possible.
Not the most likely scenario, but the only one i still see.
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