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On July 07 2026 22:29 Billyboy wrote:
I believe Oblade when he says he’s not a conservative, he has none of their values. He is a populist through and through. This is how he can seamlessly cheer for everything Trump says regardless of outcomes current and past.
Someone with actual values couldn't and wouldn't vote for Trump ever. There are barely any conservatives left in the US.
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On July 07 2026 21:16 Jankisa wrote:
Sure GH, since that word is more problematic then dead children I edited it out. On July 07 2026 22:30 Jankisa wrote:
I'm shocked that Razyda "all socialists should be killed" is on the side of "let people die from preventable diseases so Musk can add another 0 to his net worth".
I'm even more shocked that language police GH is siding with actual fascist who love cutting off aid from starving children because they are arguing with people who hurt their feelings.
We can definitely criticize Musk's and Trump's mass murdering - and specific posts/points made by any TLer - without using a word often perceived as a slur (which has been removed - I appreciate that too) and without bringing it up again (choosing to write "language police" afterwards isn't helpful imo and provides an unfortunate opportunity to derail the conversation).
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On July 07 2026 22:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 22:18 Razyda wrote:
I am with oBlade on this one. Helping someone and then stopping help is nowhere close to murder, idea is deranged. If I give homeless guy a tenner and then on the next day pass the same guy and not give him a tenner, it is not that i started starving him to death. Just lol. That's not what Musk and his DOGE program did. Just the second part ("stopping help").
Yep, as a crude analogy it’s less that the billionaire stopped handing out their 10 dollars to the odd homeless person as they never did it to begin with, but they actively went out of their way to make it more difficult for other people to do so. Oh and said billionaire received subsidies from the government too.
He’s just a grade A cunt, it’s one of those patently obvious things that surprises me that so many disagree on
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On July 07 2026 22:30 Jankisa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm shocked that Razyda "all socialists should be killed" is on the side of "let people die from preventable diseases so Musk can add another 0 to his net worth". I'm even more shocked that language police GH is siding with actual fascist who love cutting off aid from starving children because they are arguing with people who hurt their feelings. + Show Spoiler +oBlade comparing Bush admin who was hunting for imaginary nukes in Iraq under similar pretenses that they are doing in Iran now and was thus too busy to prevent Kim dynasty from getting their own in order to "make a point" is absolutely hilarious.
This episode has sent a huge signal to the whole world that the only way to be safe is to have nukes, it made it more likely, rather then less that Iran and any other country gets one, there are no serious geopolitical analyst or military analysts who think otherwise, but oBlade would much rather take the word of his daddy Trump and his daddy Bibi then use his brain for a change.
This reminds me of when Dangermousecatdog started insisting I opposed gay people's rights. It's also the kind of reaction that discourages people from speaking up when people cross lines they shouldn't because the target is deemed "deserving" despite the inescapable collateral damage.
What is it you want from me on this to not insist I love cutting off aid from starving children or whatever?
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On July 07 2026 22:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 21:16 Jankisa wrote:
Sure GH, since that word is more problematic then dead children I edited it out. Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 22:30 Jankisa wrote:
I'm shocked that Razyda "all socialists should be killed" is on the side of "let people die from preventable diseases so Musk can add another 0 to his net worth".
I'm even more shocked that language police GH is siding with actual fascist who love cutting off aid from starving children because they are arguing with people who hurt their feelings. We can definitely criticize Musk's and Trump's mass murdering - and specific posts/points made by any TLer - without using a word often perceived as a slur (which has been removed - I appreciate that too) and without bringing it up again (choosing to write "language police" afterwards isn't helpful imo and provides an unfortunate opportunity to derail the conversation).
Yes, a worthwhile amendment.
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On July 07 2026 22:28 Velr wrote:
Did you build up entire buerocratic and infrastructure systems on which people rely with your 10$ or do you want to bring up an even dumber example?
Whats that got to do with anything?
On July 07 2026 22:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 22:18 Razyda wrote:
I am with oBlade on this one. Helping someone and then stopping help is nowhere close to murder, idea is deranged. If I give homeless guy a tenner and then on the next day pass the same guy and not give him a tenner, it is not that i started starving him to death. Just lol. That's not what Musk and his DOGE program did. Just the second part ("stopping help").
It doesnt change anything though. Stopping help is just that, stopping help.
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On July 07 2026 21:02 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 21:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 07 2026 20:44 oBlade wrote:On July 07 2026 20:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Your grand children will already suffer the consequences of your deplorable choices enough that you don’t have to worry about the fraction of the us budget that was spelt on saving people from disease and starvation. I'd rather my grandchildren not live in a world with people getting nuked. What a weird thing to say, given how MAGA you are. Obligatory reminder that Trump has made the world significantly more dangerous and significantly more likely to eventually experience nuclear warfare, due to what he's done (and undone) throughout both of his presidential terms. Do you want your grandchildren to be healthier and better educated and wealthier too? Because none of those align with your champion either. Who do you think is more likely to nuke who now?
Trump removing the oversight program in the Iran Nuclear Deal because "Obama Bad", starting a war with Iran to distract people from the fact that he probably raped kids - a war that is hurting our foreign relations and enabling Iran, and Trump's volatile relationships with (hot and cold, sometimes best buddies with / sometimes talking shit about) Russian and Chinese and North Korean leaders are all reasons for concern. I don't think anyone is going to be nuking anyone else tomorrow, but Trump has a destabilizing effect on the world which has been hurting our country and empowering countries that shouldn't be further empowered.
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On July 07 2026 22:50 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 22:28 Velr wrote:
Did you build up entire buerocratic and infrastructure systems on which people rely with your 10$ or do you want to bring up an even dumber example? Whats that got to do with anything? Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 22:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 07 2026 22:18 Razyda wrote:
I am with oBlade on this one. Helping someone and then stopping help is nowhere close to murder, idea is deranged. If I give homeless guy a tenner and then on the next day pass the same guy and not give him a tenner, it is not that i started starving him to death. Just lol. That's not what Musk and his DOGE program did. Just the second part ("stopping help"). It doesnt change anything though. Stopping help is just that, stopping help.
If I’m about to drag you out of a lake you’re currently drowning in, and then let go, I’m just stopping help and not dooming you to death right?
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On July 07 2026 22:49 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 22:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 07 2026 21:16 Jankisa wrote:
Sure GH, since that word is more problematic then dead children I edited it out. On July 07 2026 22:30 Jankisa wrote:
I'm shocked that Razyda "all socialists should be killed" is on the side of "let people die from preventable diseases so Musk can add another 0 to his net worth".
I'm even more shocked that language police GH is siding with actual fascist who love cutting off aid from starving children because they are arguing with people who hurt their feelings. We can definitely criticize Musk's and Trump's mass murdering - and specific posts/points made by any TLer - without using a word often perceived as a slur (which has been removed - I appreciate that too) and without bringing it up again (choosing to write "language police" afterwards isn't helpful imo and provides an unfortunate opportunity to derail the conversation). Yes, a worthwhile amendment.
"a word often perceived as" seems unnecessary, and "conversation" is too generous for whatever is happening with oBlade and Razyda, but I am sincerely appreciative of you two saying something.
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On July 07 2026 22:42 WombaT wrote:
He’s just a grade A cunt, it’s one of those patently obvious things that surprises me that so many disagree on
And that is completely fair opinion, that doesnt make him mass murderer though.
On July 07 2026 22:52 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 22:50 Razyda wrote:On July 07 2026 22:28 Velr wrote:
Did you build up entire buerocratic and infrastructure systems on which people rely with your 10$ or do you want to bring up an even dumber example? Whats that got to do with anything? On July 07 2026 22:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 07 2026 22:18 Razyda wrote:
I am with oBlade on this one. Helping someone and then stopping help is nowhere close to murder, idea is deranged. If I give homeless guy a tenner and then on the next day pass the same guy and not give him a tenner, it is not that i started starving him to death. Just lol. That's not what Musk and his DOGE program did. Just the second part ("stopping help"). It doesnt change anything though. Stopping help is just that, stopping help. If I’m about to drag you out of a lake you’re currently drowning in, and then let go, I’m just stopping help and not dooming you to death right?
Thats failure to provide assistance at best. other than that:, there may be other people around, you may not be able to swim, also in this situation it is immediate death, contrary to hypothetical one which may, or may not occur.
Problem is that if you agree with this premise then every penny you spend on something else than basic survival, makes you mass murderer. Surely you can survive without internet better, than child from poor country without food, same applies to your tv vs said child water.
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On July 07 2026 22:50 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 22:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 07 2026 22:18 Razyda wrote:
I am with oBlade on this one. Helping someone and then stopping help is nowhere close to murder, idea is deranged. If I give homeless guy a tenner and then on the next day pass the same guy and not give him a tenner, it is not that i started starving him to death. Just lol. That's not what Musk and his DOGE program did. Just the second part ("stopping help"). It doesnt change anything though. Stopping help is just that, stopping help.
Not only did "stopping help" absolutely change things when it came to DOGE/Musk - millions of lives were negatively affected - but "stopping help" tautologically changes a scenario (inherently, literally by definition), because removing a positive will automatically affect an outcome. The situation necessarily changes. If a doctor is starting to give an unresponsive person CPR, and then I punch the doctor in the face and stop them from helping the person who isn't breathing, I'm changing something (and that change is clearly to the detriment of the person who needs assistance).
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On July 07 2026 22:18 Razyda wrote:
I am with oBlade on this one. Helping someone and then stopping help is nowhere close to murder, idea is deranged. If I give homeless guy a tenner and then on the next day pass the same guy and not give him a tenner, it is not that i started starving him to death. Just lol.
The logic is wrong. Even before you get to discussing any numbers (which in this case are projections).
Everybody wants to say the US government valued something as higher than a human life. And that's a Bad Thing™. The premise requires ignoring the fact that we already inherently assign value to human life in some way, because at a certain point the marginal cost of saving a life becomes infinite, and we have finite resources. The US values something higher than money that it DOESN'T spend to save human lives. Bill Gates values something higher than the money he DOESN'T spend to save human lives.
On the last few pages I was almost tricked into believing Musk could "end world hunger" (by stopping the risk of a number of people from starving for one year) for a certain amount of money, but he wouldn't, and then led to believe that DOGE saved the US government an amount basically equivalent to that amount of money. Why hadn't the US government solved "world hunger" in 60 years? Or any other government?
You value your new GPU over making sure that homeless guy doesn't OD, or die of tuberculosis, or get chopped up by a Reddit serial killer calling him "unhoused," etc. I mean think of all the lives we could all save if we maxed out all our credit, got every loan possible, spent it on food banks and mosquito nets, and then declared bankruptcy. Then why don't we? Clearly we value something greater than the lives we could be saving. Is that good or bad? Who knows. I'm certainly always interested in the nuances of policy but not in pretending that the world only started turning when Trump was elected.
On July 07 2026 22:28 Velr wrote:
Did you build up entire buerocratic and infrastructure systems on which people rely with your 10$ or do you want to bring up an even dumber example?
If you're so generous that it's your fault when someone allegedly dies without you, you didn't "agency for internationally develop" them, you made them dependent on handouts which anyone is equally capable of handing out, like we just all agreed that Bill Gates has saved countless people. There are not that many things that are unique capabilities of the US in terms of the helping poor people department.
On July 07 2026 22:30 Jankisa wrote:
I'm shocked that Razyda "all socialists should be killed" is on the side of "let people die from preventable diseases so Musk can add another 0 to his net worth".
I'm even more shocked that language police GH is siding with actual fascist who love cutting off aid from starving children because they are arguing with people who hurt their feelings.
oBlade comparing Bush admin who was hunting for imaginary nukes in Iraq under similar pretenses that they are doing in Iran now and was thus too busy to prevent Kim dynasty from getting their own in order to "make a point" is absolutely hilarious.
I compared Iraq to Iran at no point lol. Obviously I would compare Iran to North Korea.
Would you have attacked North Korea after they got nukes, before they got nukes, or never?
Clinton and Bush both set red lines and then did nothing when they were crossed.
On July 07 2026 22:30 Jankisa wrote:
This episode has sent a huge signal to the whole world that the only way to be safe is to have nukes, it made it more likely, rather then less that Iran and any other country gets one, there are no serious geopolitical analyst or military analysts who think otherwise, but oBlade would much rather take the word of his daddy Trump and his daddy Bibi then use his brain for a change.
Your idea is setting red lines makes people cross them, so the best thing to do is have no lines therefore they can't be crossed. We are all indebted to the fact the world is not run by people like you.
Furthermore, Iran has signed an MOU to negotiate a long term peace framework in which they specifically avow to never develop or ACQUIRE a nuclear weapon (meaning get from Pakistan, DPRK, etc.). Supposing they were to abrogate this, do you think the US and Israel should geopolitically tolerate wanton dishonesty, or what should the response be?
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On July 07 2026 22:56 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 22:49 WombaT wrote:On July 07 2026 22:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 07 2026 21:16 Jankisa wrote:
Sure GH, since that word is more problematic then dead children I edited it out. On July 07 2026 22:30 Jankisa wrote:
I'm shocked that Razyda "all socialists should be killed" is on the side of "let people die from preventable diseases so Musk can add another 0 to his net worth".
I'm even more shocked that language police GH is siding with actual fascist who love cutting off aid from starving children because they are arguing with people who hurt their feelings. We can definitely criticize Musk's and Trump's mass murdering - and specific posts/points made by any TLer - without using a word often perceived as a slur (which has been removed - I appreciate that too) and without bringing it up again (choosing to write "language police" afterwards isn't helpful imo and provides an unfortunate opportunity to derail the conversation). Yes, a worthwhile amendment. "a word often perceived as" seems unnecessary, and "conversation" is too generous for whatever is happening with oBlade and Razyda, but I am sincerely appreciative of you two saying something.
Cute. Almost as cute as saying that people get distracted from important stuff, by non important topics and then actively trying to make every conversation about you.
On July 07 2026 23:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 22:50 Razyda wrote:On July 07 2026 22:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 07 2026 22:18 Razyda wrote:
I am with oBlade on this one. Helping someone and then stopping help is nowhere close to murder, idea is deranged. If I give homeless guy a tenner and then on the next day pass the same guy and not give him a tenner, it is not that i started starving him to death. Just lol. That's not what Musk and his DOGE program did. Just the second part ("stopping help"). It doesnt change anything though. Stopping help is just that, stopping help. Not only did "stopping help" absolutely change things when it came to DOGE/Musk - millions of lives were negatively affected - but "stopping help" tautologically changes a scenario (inherently, literally by definition), because removing a positive will automatically affect an outcome. The situation necessarily changes. If a doctor is starting to give an unresponsive person CPR, and then I punch the doctor in the face and stop them from helping the person who isn't breathing, I'm changing something (and that change is clearly to the detriment of the person who needs assistance).
I mean it didnt change anything in regards to what I said (as it is not a valid argument), not that stopping help isnt change.
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On July 07 2026 23:06 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 22:42 WombaT wrote:
He’s just a grade A cunt, it’s one of those patently obvious things that surprises me that so many disagree on And that is completely fair opinion, that doesnt make him mass murderer though. Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 22:52 WombaT wrote:On July 07 2026 22:50 Razyda wrote:On July 07 2026 22:28 Velr wrote:
Did you build up entire buerocratic and infrastructure systems on which people rely with your 10$ or do you want to bring up an even dumber example? Whats that got to do with anything? On July 07 2026 22:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 07 2026 22:18 Razyda wrote:
I am with oBlade on this one. Helping someone and then stopping help is nowhere close to murder, idea is deranged. If I give homeless guy a tenner and then on the next day pass the same guy and not give him a tenner, it is not that i started starving him to death. Just lol. That's not what Musk and his DOGE program did. Just the second part ("stopping help"). It doesnt change anything though. Stopping help is just that, stopping help. If I’m about to drag you out of a lake you’re currently drowning in, and then let go, I’m just stopping help and not dooming you to death right? Thats failure to provide assistance at best. other than that:, there may be other people around, you may not be able to swim, also in this situation it is immediate death, contrary to hypothetical one which may, or may not occur. Problem is that if you agree with this premise then every penny you spend on something else than basic survival, makes you mass murderer. Surely you can survive without internet better, than child from poor country without food, same applies to your tv vs said child water.
This is my hypothetical, not yours.
You make a fair point, but for some reason it’s a point frequently made to defend billionaires and not in isolation. I think it also somewhat sidesteps the thorny matter that billionaires use their wealth to lobby in their own interests, it’s not merely that they don’t do enough philanthropy or whatever. And they simply have a ton more capacity to do some good by virtue of that wealth.
If I decided to live like a monk whatever residual income I might have is not going to stretch that far in terms of helping others
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If she's found guilty, then this is incredibly fucked up x.x
(I guess it's already fucked up since she's an anti-vaxxer and is a plaintiff against the American Academy of Pediatrics. But murdering your kids too... oof x.x)
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That’s really profoundly sad if true. Doubly so if other parents have put their kids at risk based on lies.
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They can’t prove it, tends to not be something innocent people say. Usually they say they didn’t do it. People also tend to be very careful in charging “grieving” mothers. I would be shocked if she’s not found guilty.
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On July 07 2026 23:19 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 23:06 Razyda wrote:On July 07 2026 22:42 WombaT wrote:
He’s just a grade A cunt, it’s one of those patently obvious things that surprises me that so many disagree on And that is completely fair opinion, that doesnt make him mass murderer though. On July 07 2026 22:52 WombaT wrote:On July 07 2026 22:50 Razyda wrote:On July 07 2026 22:28 Velr wrote:
Did you build up entire buerocratic and infrastructure systems on which people rely with your 10$ or do you want to bring up an even dumber example? Whats that got to do with anything? On July 07 2026 22:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 07 2026 22:18 Razyda wrote:
I am with oBlade on this one. Helping someone and then stopping help is nowhere close to murder, idea is deranged. If I give homeless guy a tenner and then on the next day pass the same guy and not give him a tenner, it is not that i started starving him to death. Just lol. That's not what Musk and his DOGE program did. Just the second part ("stopping help"). It doesnt change anything though. Stopping help is just that, stopping help. If I’m about to drag you out of a lake you’re currently drowning in, and then let go, I’m just stopping help and not dooming you to death right? Thats failure to provide assistance at best. other than that:, there may be other people around, you may not be able to swim, also in this situation it is immediate death, contrary to hypothetical one which may, or may not occur. Problem is that if you agree with this premise then every penny you spend on something else than basic survival, makes you mass murderer. Surely you can survive without internet better, than child from poor country without food, same applies to your tv vs said child water. This is my hypothetical, not yours. You make a fair point, but for some reason it’s a point frequently made to defend billionaires and not in isolation. I think it also somewhat sidesteps the thorny matter that billionaires use their wealth to lobby in their own interests, it’s not merely that they don’t do enough philanthropy or whatever. And they simply have a ton more capacity to do some good by virtue of that wealth. If I decided to live like a monk whatever residual income I might have is not going to stretch that far in terms of helping others
Probably because it is billionaires who get attacked in that way. I disagree with actual premise, If you were accused of the same, I would say the same thing I already did.
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On July 07 2026 22:18 Razyda wrote:
I am with oBlade on this one. Helping someone and then stopping help is nowhere close to murder, idea is deranged. If I give homeless guy a tenner and then on the next day pass the same guy and not give him a tenner, it is not that i started starving him to death. Just lol.
Setting aside that this analogy makes no sense because USAID was funded by Congress and Musk illegally impounded it:
In ancient Rome, among other civilizations, they discovered that simply giving hungry people free food was actually a lot cheaper than paying for a guard to detain a hungry person trying to steal food, then paying for their food in prison anyway. It's just astounding that we have to watch right-wingers learn in real time lessons that humanity already knew for centuries or even millennia. This isn't just about USAID but food stamps, vaccines, xenophobia against immigrants, etc. I wish y'all would just read a history book instead of voting for idiots.
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