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On July 08 2026 16:37 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 16:05 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 16:00 oBlade wrote:On July 08 2026 15:50 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 11:36 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 10:43 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 10:33 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 10:00 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 09:41 Billyboy wrote:On July 08 2026 09:37 dyhb wrote:
[quote]I did say softcore porn. Hardcore porn would be saying you think Donald Trump should be assassinated prior to leaving office.
Actually, transitioning from a video game to a Hollywood drama about the perfect election victory has a narrative rhyme that I missed the first time around. GH is doing what you said, he’s setting up to quote the posts of Sim and Jan, and claim they need to join his revolution or something. The rest of us are just mixing hope and despair. Small election wins in subsequent elections are the kind of progress we need and can use, and big wins are possible if Iran keeps going the way its going and the tariffs keep killing the economy. I think the morose attitude on what a small win will say about America is puerile. On July 08 2026 09:50 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 09:37 dyhb wrote:
[quote]I did say softcore porn. Hardcore porn would be saying you think Donald Trump should be assassinated prior to leaving office.
Actually, transitioning from a video game to a Hollywood drama about the perfect election victory has a narrative rhyme that I missed the first time around. Nonetheless I’m pretty sure Billyboy nor Simberto expressed no such assassination sentiment, so it feels odd to me to throw it out in a direct reply to them. I’ve no such compunctions and I’ll admit to that, the sooner the cunt is out of office the better. Given there are seemingly no limits to what his own party will tolerate, and he’s clearly not going to face censure for his many crimes, death is quite the equaliser, something no person can escape. Would prefer natural causes or a hilarious accident than assassination, which I don’t support. The softcore assassination porn was more directed at you and simberto ("A much better scenario than assassination in minecraft" as an evaluation of degree). To Billy, it appears that his problem with assassination is martyrdom, not assassination. I wholly reject that, I’m in the hardcore assassination porn camp, give me some credit. I don’t think that’s accurate based on Billy’s general posting and what I’ve gleamed from his musing in general. He’s free to speak for himself of course, but contextually I took him to mean ‘assassination is bad, and there may be a martyr effect’, not ‘assassination is bad because there’s a martyr effect’. And to follow your earlier billionaire logic, not sure why it’s bad really. I think the death of a person would be of a benefit for wider society, what’s the problem? If you support any domestic policy or foreign intervention that so much as kills 2 people well, you’re twice as bad as me right off the block. Because you're not the only one on the block with ideas on who in society we should kill in order to make society better off. Perhaps not but my ideas are actually good ones. Facetiousness aside maybe Republicans should have backed impeachment, as they should have if they had any gumption. Instead we’re locked into 4 years of absolutely blatant corruption, with a man who has already skirted his just desserts actively stacking institutions in his favour So I mean you can’t get rid of him via legitimate means, that ain’t happening. So it’s either health issue, assassin or just sitting around watching this certifiable prick fuck around for another few years. I know where my preferences would lie there. Not really sure what the issue is with that really. To steelman dyhb's position, I think the bar being raised to assassinating a sitting president as acceptable political violence, it's important to recognize all the stuff that is beneath that bar which must then also be acceptable political violence. If you're okay with Trump being assassinated, then you'd have to accept Obama being assassinated also. After all, he's just a former president and not the sitting president. I think there's merit to that concern. For myself I'm 'okay with' Trump being assassinated for a reason other than him being a republican president. Someone lost their life savings dumping into trumpcoin and then got rugpulled and wants revenge, or some similar sort of karmic justice for Trump's many moral failings. Less a political assassination, more a personal one. And yeah obviously I'd rather we weren't talking about a sitting president being assassinated, but when he's this brazenly corrupt and the system is powerless to remove him, of course people are gonna talk about other options. This applies to any proprietor of a memecoin or just Trump? Are all proprietors of memecoins the same? We need to set a limit. I'd say all those that rugpulled 1B or more.
Great now bingbong is going to accuse you of wanting to assassinate all memecoin founders because you're a bad person, all while claiming to live in civilization where assassinations aren't celebrated, despite living in the US where there have been multiple recent assassinations that were celebrated.
The less anyone engages oBlade and the more people let him run in circles being stupid, the better.
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On July 08 2026 16:45 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 16:37 Geiko wrote:On July 08 2026 16:05 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 16:00 oBlade wrote:On July 08 2026 15:50 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 11:36 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 10:43 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 10:33 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 10:00 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 09:41 Billyboy wrote:
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GH is doing what you said, he’s setting up to quote the posts of Sim and Jan, and claim they need to join his revolution or something. The rest of us are just mixing hope and despair.
Small election wins in subsequent elections are the kind of progress we need and can use, and big wins are possible if Iran keeps going the way its going and the tariffs keep killing the economy. I think the morose attitude on what a small win will say about America is puerile. On July 08 2026 09:50 WombaT wrote:
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Nonetheless I’m pretty sure Billyboy nor Simberto expressed no such assassination sentiment, so it feels odd to me to throw it out in a direct reply to them.
I’ve no such compunctions and I’ll admit to that, the sooner the cunt is out of office the better. Given there are seemingly no limits to what his own party will tolerate, and he’s clearly not going to face censure for his many crimes, death is quite the equaliser, something no person can escape.
Would prefer natural causes or a hilarious accident than assassination, which I don’t support. The softcore assassination porn was more directed at you and simberto ("A much better scenario than assassination in minecraft" as an evaluation of degree). To Billy, it appears that his problem with assassination is martyrdom, not assassination. I wholly reject that, I’m in the hardcore assassination porn camp, give me some credit. I don’t think that’s accurate based on Billy’s general posting and what I’ve gleamed from his musing in general. He’s free to speak for himself of course, but contextually I took him to mean ‘assassination is bad, and there may be a martyr effect’, not ‘assassination is bad because there’s a martyr effect’. And to follow your earlier billionaire logic, not sure why it’s bad really. I think the death of a person would be of a benefit for wider society, what’s the problem? If you support any domestic policy or foreign intervention that so much as kills 2 people well, you’re twice as bad as me right off the block. Because you're not the only one on the block with ideas on who in society we should kill in order to make society better off. Perhaps not but my ideas are actually good ones. Facetiousness aside maybe Republicans should have backed impeachment, as they should have if they had any gumption. Instead we’re locked into 4 years of absolutely blatant corruption, with a man who has already skirted his just desserts actively stacking institutions in his favour So I mean you can’t get rid of him via legitimate means, that ain’t happening. So it’s either health issue, assassin or just sitting around watching this certifiable prick fuck around for another few years. I know where my preferences would lie there. Not really sure what the issue is with that really. To steelman dyhb's position, I think the bar being raised to assassinating a sitting president as acceptable political violence, it's important to recognize all the stuff that is beneath that bar which must then also be acceptable political violence. If you're okay with Trump being assassinated, then you'd have to accept Obama being assassinated also. After all, he's just a former president and not the sitting president. I think there's merit to that concern. For myself I'm 'okay with' Trump being assassinated for a reason other than him being a republican president. Someone lost their life savings dumping into trumpcoin and then got rugpulled and wants revenge, or some similar sort of karmic justice for Trump's many moral failings. Less a political assassination, more a personal one. And yeah obviously I'd rather we weren't talking about a sitting president being assassinated, but when he's this brazenly corrupt and the system is powerless to remove him, of course people are gonna talk about other options. This applies to any proprietor of a memecoin or just Trump? Are all proprietors of memecoins the same? We need to set a limit. I'd say all those that rugpulled 1B or more. Great now bingbong is going to accuse you of wanting to assassinate memecoin founders that have rugpulled because you're a bad person, all while claiming to live in civilization where assassinations aren't celebrated, despite living in the US where there have been multiple recent assassinations that were celebrated. The less anyone engages oBlade and the more people let him run in circles being stupid, the better.
None of which were celebrated by me. You thought me being in civilization meant a geographic place and not the simple fact that I am civilized and people who support assassinations aren't?
If you think someone is Hitler, you should want to shoot them for being Hitler. Or you should want someone to shoot them for being Hitler. You should not say you would be okay with someone shooting him for a personal issue like having an ugly moustache, or for jaywalking, or for not paying back his friend's loan. Because those are not shooting offenses even in a vigilante context. Just mixes anarchy and cowardice.
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On July 08 2026 16:51 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 16:45 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 16:37 Geiko wrote:On July 08 2026 16:05 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 16:00 oBlade wrote:On July 08 2026 15:50 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 11:36 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 10:43 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 10:33 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 10:00 dyhb wrote:
[quote]Small election wins in subsequent elections are the kind of progress we need and can use, and big wins are possible if Iran keeps going the way its going and the tariffs keep killing the economy. I think the morose attitude on what a small win will say about America is puerile.
[quote]The softcore assassination porn was more directed at you and simberto ("A much better scenario than assassination in minecraft" as an evaluation of degree). To Billy, it appears that his problem with assassination is martyrdom, not assassination. I wholly reject that, I’m in the hardcore assassination porn camp, give me some credit. I don’t think that’s accurate based on Billy’s general posting and what I’ve gleamed from his musing in general. He’s free to speak for himself of course, but contextually I took him to mean ‘assassination is bad, and there may be a martyr effect’, not ‘assassination is bad because there’s a martyr effect’. And to follow your earlier billionaire logic, not sure why it’s bad really. I think the death of a person would be of a benefit for wider society, what’s the problem? If you support any domestic policy or foreign intervention that so much as kills 2 people well, you’re twice as bad as me right off the block. Because you're not the only one on the block with ideas on who in society we should kill in order to make society better off. Perhaps not but my ideas are actually good ones. Facetiousness aside maybe Republicans should have backed impeachment, as they should have if they had any gumption. Instead we’re locked into 4 years of absolutely blatant corruption, with a man who has already skirted his just desserts actively stacking institutions in his favour So I mean you can’t get rid of him via legitimate means, that ain’t happening. So it’s either health issue, assassin or just sitting around watching this certifiable prick fuck around for another few years. I know where my preferences would lie there. Not really sure what the issue is with that really. To steelman dyhb's position, I think the bar being raised to assassinating a sitting president as acceptable political violence, it's important to recognize all the stuff that is beneath that bar which must then also be acceptable political violence. If you're okay with Trump being assassinated, then you'd have to accept Obama being assassinated also. After all, he's just a former president and not the sitting president. I think there's merit to that concern. For myself I'm 'okay with' Trump being assassinated for a reason other than him being a republican president. Someone lost their life savings dumping into trumpcoin and then got rugpulled and wants revenge, or some similar sort of karmic justice for Trump's many moral failings. Less a political assassination, more a personal one. And yeah obviously I'd rather we weren't talking about a sitting president being assassinated, but when he's this brazenly corrupt and the system is powerless to remove him, of course people are gonna talk about other options. This applies to any proprietor of a memecoin or just Trump? Are all proprietors of memecoins the same? We need to set a limit. I'd say all those that rugpulled 1B or more. Great now bingbong is going to accuse you of wanting to assassinate memecoin founders that have rugpulled because you're a bad person, all while claiming to live in civilization where assassinations aren't celebrated, despite living in the US where there have been multiple recent assassinations that were celebrated. The less anyone engages oBlade and the more people let him run in circles being stupid, the better. None of which were celebrated by me. You thought me being in civilization meant a geographic place and not the simple fact that I am civilized and people who support assassinations aren't? If you think someone is Hitler, you should want to shoot them for being Hitler. Or you should want someone to shoot them for being Hitler. You should not say you would be okay with someone shooting him for a personal issue like having an ugly moustache, or for jaywalking, or for not paying back his friend's loan. Because those are not shooting offenses even in a vigilante context. Just mixes anarchy and cowardice.
Wow, I was just taking a jab, but it actually IS too complicated for you, isn't it? Yikes.
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On July 08 2026 16:31 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 16:26 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 16:21 oBlade wrote:On July 08 2026 16:10 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 16:09 oBlade wrote:On July 08 2026 16:05 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 16:00 oBlade wrote:On July 08 2026 15:50 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 11:36 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 10:43 dyhb wrote:
[quote]Because you're not the only one on the block with ideas on who in society we should kill in order to make society better off. Perhaps not but my ideas are actually good ones. Facetiousness aside maybe Republicans should have backed impeachment, as they should have if they had any gumption. Instead we’re locked into 4 years of absolutely blatant corruption, with a man who has already skirted his just desserts actively stacking institutions in his favour So I mean you can’t get rid of him via legitimate means, that ain’t happening. So it’s either health issue, assassin or just sitting around watching this certifiable prick fuck around for another few years. I know where my preferences would lie there. Not really sure what the issue is with that really. To steelman dyhb's position, I think the bar being raised to assassinating a sitting president as acceptable political violence, it's important to recognize all the stuff that is beneath that bar which must then also be acceptable political violence. If you're okay with Trump being assassinated, then you'd have to accept Obama being assassinated also. After all, he's just a former president and not the sitting president. I think there's merit to that concern. For myself I'm 'okay with' Trump being assassinated for a reason other than him being a republican president. Someone lost their life savings dumping into trumpcoin and then got rugpulled and wants revenge, or some similar sort of karmic justice for Trump's many moral failings. Less a political assassination, more a personal one. And yeah obviously I'd rather we weren't talking about a sitting president being assassinated, but when he's this brazenly corrupt and the system is powerless to remove him, of course people are gonna talk about other options. This applies to any proprietor of a memecoin or just Trump? Are all proprietors of memecoins the same? The proprietors all equally fail to guarantee that it's impossible for someone to lose their life savings in them if they really want to. Oh. But they're different in other ways? You're saying you're okay with someone personally shooting Trump because they personally lost their life savings, even if they are the die-hardest MAGA who loves the use of the military and DHS, because for example you don't like some random other thing Trump did like attacked Iran in a war with collateral damage that involved a blown up school? Sounds like you want him killed for reasons other than the memecoin. No you fucking bingbong, I'm saying in the hypothetical where trump were assassinated I'm 'okay with' it if it's a result of his moral failings, an example of which I offered being him launching a memecoin as president. Given the hypothetical of Trump's assassination, what moral failing of Trump's is your preferred example? I don't have an example because I'm here in civilization where we aren't okay with assassinating presidents or memecoin founders.
You absolutely are for assassinating leaders of state tho, you were and are all aboard, and even left reality with your "regime change happened" BS buddy, don't forget that.
In a hypothetical video game scenario where an Iranian sleeper cell assassinated Trump, that seems like a perfectly civilized way of waging war, here in civilization, right?
I mean the guy did order a strike that blew up 170 of their children, along with their spiritual leader, that seems like something that would warrant revenge.
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On July 08 2026 16:37 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 16:05 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 16:00 oBlade wrote:On July 08 2026 15:50 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 08 2026 11:36 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 10:43 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 10:33 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 10:00 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 09:41 Billyboy wrote:On July 08 2026 09:37 dyhb wrote:
[quote]I did say softcore porn. Hardcore porn would be saying you think Donald Trump should be assassinated prior to leaving office.
Actually, transitioning from a video game to a Hollywood drama about the perfect election victory has a narrative rhyme that I missed the first time around. GH is doing what you said, he’s setting up to quote the posts of Sim and Jan, and claim they need to join his revolution or something. The rest of us are just mixing hope and despair. Small election wins in subsequent elections are the kind of progress we need and can use, and big wins are possible if Iran keeps going the way its going and the tariffs keep killing the economy. I think the morose attitude on what a small win will say about America is puerile. On July 08 2026 09:50 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 09:37 dyhb wrote:
[quote]I did say softcore porn. Hardcore porn would be saying you think Donald Trump should be assassinated prior to leaving office.
Actually, transitioning from a video game to a Hollywood drama about the perfect election victory has a narrative rhyme that I missed the first time around. Nonetheless I’m pretty sure Billyboy nor Simberto expressed no such assassination sentiment, so it feels odd to me to throw it out in a direct reply to them. I’ve no such compunctions and I’ll admit to that, the sooner the cunt is out of office the better. Given there are seemingly no limits to what his own party will tolerate, and he’s clearly not going to face censure for his many crimes, death is quite the equaliser, something no person can escape. Would prefer natural causes or a hilarious accident than assassination, which I don’t support. The softcore assassination porn was more directed at you and simberto ("A much better scenario than assassination in minecraft" as an evaluation of degree). To Billy, it appears that his problem with assassination is martyrdom, not assassination. I wholly reject that, I’m in the hardcore assassination porn camp, give me some credit. I don’t think that’s accurate based on Billy’s general posting and what I’ve gleamed from his musing in general. He’s free to speak for himself of course, but contextually I took him to mean ‘assassination is bad, and there may be a martyr effect’, not ‘assassination is bad because there’s a martyr effect’. And to follow your earlier billionaire logic, not sure why it’s bad really. I think the death of a person would be of a benefit for wider society, what’s the problem? If you support any domestic policy or foreign intervention that so much as kills 2 people well, you’re twice as bad as me right off the block. Because you're not the only one on the block with ideas on who in society we should kill in order to make society better off. Perhaps not but my ideas are actually good ones. Facetiousness aside maybe Republicans should have backed impeachment, as they should have if they had any gumption. Instead we’re locked into 4 years of absolutely blatant corruption, with a man who has already skirted his just desserts actively stacking institutions in his favour So I mean you can’t get rid of him via legitimate means, that ain’t happening. So it’s either health issue, assassin or just sitting around watching this certifiable prick fuck around for another few years. I know where my preferences would lie there. Not really sure what the issue is with that really. To steelman dyhb's position, I think the bar being raised to assassinating a sitting president as acceptable political violence, it's important to recognize all the stuff that is beneath that bar which must then also be acceptable political violence. If you're okay with Trump being assassinated, then you'd have to accept Obama being assassinated also. After all, he's just a former president and not the sitting president. I think there's merit to that concern. For myself I'm 'okay with' Trump being assassinated for a reason other than him being a republican president. Someone lost their life savings dumping into trumpcoin and then got rugpulled and wants revenge, or some similar sort of karmic justice for Trump's many moral failings. Less a political assassination, more a personal one. And yeah obviously I'd rather we weren't talking about a sitting president being assassinated, but when he's this brazenly corrupt and the system is powerless to remove him, of course people are gonna talk about other options. This applies to any proprietor of a memecoin or just Trump? Are all proprietors of memecoins the same? We need to set a limit. I'd say all those that rugpulled 1B or more.
Better specify a currency here, or Flash and Bisu are about to get executed
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Just throwing each and every one of them into prison for 10 years would be enough. Oh and naturally make them pay back everyone.
Trump has enough other crimes to put him away for good anyway.
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United States44398 Posts
Holding Trump accountable for his crimes would be a classic example of lawfare.
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On July 09 2026 00:13 KwarK wrote:
Holding Trump accountable for his crimes would be a classic example of lawfare.
You joke, but I have a hard time believing the Democrats' nominee for president isn't going to say something to this effect
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On July 09 2026 00:29 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 00:13 KwarK wrote:
Holding Trump accountable for his crimes would be a classic example of lawfare. You joke, but I have a hard time believing the Democrats' nominee for president isn't going to say something to this effect
I assume that the Democratic nominee is going to sidestep any question like "Are you going to pursue civil/criminal charges for Trump's actions" with something like "That's not my job and I won't comment or get involved; I'm going to be focusing on the future of our country, not the past, and I'll leave it up to law enforcement, prosecutors, and the courts to decide whether or not it's legal and ethical to indict and convict Trump".
That being said, if the Democratic nominee did make it a point to call out Trump, and they explicitly stated that they would be going after anyone who committed crimes over the past X years, and they said that would include Trump and his family, I wonder if that would help the Democratic nominee or hurt the Democratic nominee's chances of winning the election. Plenty of Democratic voters would love to see accountability and consequences, while plenty of other Democratic voters would love to just leave all the Trump stuff behind and move on. Sounds like a strategically risky move to announce before the election (though morally and legally, Trump should absolutely be arrested and convicted of countless crimes).
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Biden didn't run on that and he won, Kamala didn't run on that either and she lost.
I think that, as always, the economy and vibes will be much more influential on what determines who wins the next election, and from a messaging standpoint I think the most efficient approach for the candidate is to say, if asked that they'll instruct their DOJ to follow the laws and that in their opinion Trump and people around him broke a bunch of them.
To focus on this while campaigning would be foolhardy because I firmly believe that the US media and Social Media system has been fine tuned to tune out all the crime, they might report or share these stories but no one is really putting them in the correct legal framing, so to an average American all of these are just Trump shenanigans, just look at this last page.
A few billion in crypto grift, who cares, there are other crypto grifters who do the same and Trump made that legal. The plane, the pay for play pardons, the sexual assault case, it's all been completely normalized when it comes to Trump and Republicans, and Independents don't care as long as it doesn't influence the price of eggs, I guess.
The worse part of all of this to me is that even if the next president is dead serious about prosecuting Trump and his cronies, you can bet your sweet ass that Trump is going to pardon everyone (there is a running "pardon Radius" joke around the WH) and SC made him immune (another thing he likes to brag about according to insiders).
I'm absolutely all for a special council being appointed on Jan 1st 2029, but given the corrupt SC and general deluge of Trump appointed judges all over the place I doubt he sees any consequences before he dies from natural causes leaving untold billions to his spawn who will haunt the American and world politics for the rest of our lifetimes.
Fun!
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On July 09 2026 00:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 00:29 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2026 00:13 KwarK wrote:
Holding Trump accountable for his crimes would be a classic example of lawfare. You joke, but I have a hard time believing the Democrats' nominee for president isn't going to say something to this effect I assume that the Democratic nominee is going to sidestep any question like "Are you going to pursue civil/criminal charges for Trump's actions" with something like "That's not my job and I won't comment or get involved; I'm going to be focusing on the future of our country, not the past, and I'll leave it up to law enforcement, prosecutors, and the courts to decide whether or not it's legal and ethical to indict and convict Trump".
It's smart to say this even if they're planning on doing nothing or even if they're planning on RICOing the entire Republican Party, since it wins the votes both of people who are sure the Trump admin broke so many laws they'll get massacred in jury trials but also the people who just want a return to normalcy.
Having said that, I predict it's more likely that aggressive rhetoric about prosecuting corruption will be a big boon in the Democratic presidential primary, and it would look extremely weak if they walked it back between the primary and general.
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On July 09 2026 00:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 00:29 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2026 00:13 KwarK wrote:
Holding Trump accountable for his crimes would be a classic example of lawfare. You joke, but I have a hard time believing the Democrats' nominee for president isn't going to say something to this effect I assume that the Democratic nominee is going to sidestep any question like "Are you going to pursue civil/criminal charges for Trump's actions" with something like "That's not my job and I won't comment or get involved; I'm going to be focusing on the future of our country, not the past, and I'll leave it up to law enforcement, prosecutors, and the courts to decide whether or not it's legal and ethical to indict and convict Trump". That being said, if the Democratic nominee did make it a point to call out Trump, and they explicitly stated that they would be going after anyone who committed crimes over the past X years, and they said that would include Trump and his family, I wonder if that would help the Democratic nominee or hurt the Democratic nominee's chances of winning the election. Plenty of Democratic voters would love to see accountability and consequences, while plenty of other Democratic voters would love to just leave all the Trump stuff behind and move on. Sounds like a strategically risky move to announce before the election (though morally and legally, Trump should absolutely be arrested and convicted of countless crimes).
That sounds like an answer to the effect I was describing.
Whether it would help or hurt their electoral chances is secondary to the necessity of it being done for any semblance of restoring/maintaining the concept that "no one is above the law", that the US is a "nation of laws", and the rest of those internalized lies.
Trump erased the notion that the DOJ is an independent organization uninfluenced by the President. The DOJ is going to be what the next Democrat (or Republican I guess) president wants/makes it to be and will do what they want it to do (obviously they still have some autonomy).
I'm no Pritzker fan, but he has shown you can (almost) say it:
Illinois Democratic Gov. JB Pritzker said Democrats should seek criminal prosecution against Trump administration and law enforcement officials who have “broken the law” if they were to gain control of the White House in 2028.
Pritzker, who is running for a third gubernatorial term, sat down for an interview with The New York Times and proposed Democrats adopt their own version of Project 2025, the Heritage Foundation’s conservative policy blueprint for presidential administrations released in nearly every election cycle since the 1980s.
Pritzker dubbed the Democrats’ counter “Project 2029,” urging it to be quickly implemented to “restore the rule of law.”
“I don’t think you can speak of it in shorthand, but we’ve got to restore the rule of law, and that means holding people accountable who’ve broken the law,” Pritzker said. “I’m talking about the people in this administration who’ve broken the law and federal agents who’ve broken the law.”
New York Times reporter Lulu Garcia-Navarro asked Pritzker whether this meant Trump officials and law enforcement agents would face criminal prosecution.
“Criminally prosecuted, civilly prosecuted,” Pritzker said. “Whatever it is that we can do.”
https://www.wfmd.com/2026/03/20/pritzker-pushes-prosecutions-of-trump-officials-as-part-of-dem-project-2029-agenda/
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 08 2026 15:50 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 11:36 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 10:43 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 10:33 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 10:00 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 09:41 Billyboy wrote:On July 08 2026 09:37 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 09:27 Billyboy wrote:On July 08 2026 09:15 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 06:48 Billyboy wrote:
He needs to get obliterated at the polls (and not the way he uses the word) as Sim said. On July 08 2026 07:35 Simberto wrote:
But it would require losing the election so hard that it is very obvious and there really is no question that they got demolished. Not just a moderate loss, but a loss so massive that they cannot explain it away. I swear that you all are trying to get pre-mad that an election win wasn't big enough to change everything, instantly, like in a Hollywood movie. The country will still be heavily divided, and that shit predates Trump and will continue after Trump. Accept a narrow victory and focus on stacking the gains 2026->2028. Softcore assassination porn and weird fantasying about avoiding Democracy when you don't like the results is not the way. Your heart's in the right place, but your head is not. Odd strawman from my post arguing against him dying in a video game. I did say softcore porn. Hardcore porn would be saying you think Donald Trump should be assassinated prior to leaving office. Actually, transitioning from a video game to a Hollywood drama about the perfect election victory has a narrative rhyme that I missed the first time around. GH is doing what you said, he’s setting up to quote the posts of Sim and Jan, and claim they need to join his revolution or something. The rest of us are just mixing hope and despair. Small election wins in subsequent elections are the kind of progress we need and can use, and big wins are possible if Iran keeps going the way its going and the tariffs keep killing the economy. I think the morose attitude on what a small win will say about America is puerile. On July 08 2026 09:50 WombaT wrote:On July 08 2026 09:37 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 09:27 Billyboy wrote:On July 08 2026 09:15 dyhb wrote:On July 08 2026 06:48 Billyboy wrote:
He needs to get obliterated at the polls (and not the way he uses the word) as Sim said. On July 08 2026 07:35 Simberto wrote:
But it would require losing the election so hard that it is very obvious and there really is no question that they got demolished. Not just a moderate loss, but a loss so massive that they cannot explain it away. I swear that you all are trying to get pre-mad that an election win wasn't big enough to change everything, instantly, like in a Hollywood movie. The country will still be heavily divided, and that shit predates Trump and will continue after Trump. Accept a narrow victory and focus on stacking the gains 2026->2028. Softcore assassination porn and weird fantasying about avoiding Democracy when you don't like the results is not the way. Your heart's in the right place, but your head is not. Odd strawman from my post arguing against him dying in a video game. I did say softcore porn. Hardcore porn would be saying you think Donald Trump should be assassinated prior to leaving office. Actually, transitioning from a video game to a Hollywood drama about the perfect election victory has a narrative rhyme that I missed the first time around. Nonetheless I’m pretty sure Billyboy nor Simberto expressed no such assassination sentiment, so it feels odd to me to throw it out in a direct reply to them. I’ve no such compunctions and I’ll admit to that, the sooner the cunt is out of office the better. Given there are seemingly no limits to what his own party will tolerate, and he’s clearly not going to face censure for his many crimes, death is quite the equaliser, something no person can escape. Would prefer natural causes or a hilarious accident than assassination, which I don’t support. The softcore assassination porn was more directed at you and simberto ("A much better scenario than assassination in minecraft" as an evaluation of degree). To Billy, it appears that his problem with assassination is martyrdom, not assassination. I wholly reject that, I’m in the hardcore assassination porn camp, give me some credit. I don’t think that’s accurate based on Billy’s general posting and what I’ve gleamed from his musing in general. He’s free to speak for himself of course, but contextually I took him to mean ‘assassination is bad, and there may be a martyr effect’, not ‘assassination is bad because there’s a martyr effect’. And to follow your earlier billionaire logic, not sure why it’s bad really. I think the death of a person would be of a benefit for wider society, what’s the problem? If you support any domestic policy or foreign intervention that so much as kills 2 people well, you’re twice as bad as me right off the block. Because you're not the only one on the block with ideas on who in society we should kill in order to make society better off. Perhaps not but my ideas are actually good ones. Facetiousness aside maybe Republicans should have backed impeachment, as they should have if they had any gumption. Instead we’re locked into 4 years of absolutely blatant corruption, with a man who has already skirted his just desserts actively stacking institutions in his favour So I mean you can’t get rid of him via legitimate means, that ain’t happening. So it’s either health issue, assassin or just sitting around watching this certifiable prick fuck around for another few years. I know where my preferences would lie there. Not really sure what the issue is with that really. To steelman dyhb's position, I think the bar being raised to assassinating a sitting president as acceptable political violence, it's important to recognize all the stuff that is beneath that bar which must then also be acceptable political violence. If you're okay with Trump being assassinated, then you'd have to accept Obama being assassinated also. After all, he's just a former president and not the sitting president. I think there's merit to that concern. For myself I'm 'okay with' Trump being assassinated for a reason other than him being a republican president. Someone lost their life savings dumping into trumpcoin and then got rugpulled and wants revenge, or some similar sort of karmic justice for Trump's many moral failings. Less a political assassination, more a personal one. And yeah obviously I'd rather we weren't talking about a sitting president being assassinated, but when he's this brazenly corrupt and the system is powerless to remove him, of course people are gonna talk about other options.
Fair points, I was being a tad hyperbolic.
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On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of?
To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews.
“Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,”
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On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. Show nested quote +“Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,”
That's why I said "If Platner refuses to leave". It is his decision to make because they are functionally over. Seems he'll probably opt to drop out, though his continued hesitation is likely skepticism they won't replace him with someone that undermines the politics that got him nominated. If he for whatever reason doesn't drop out, that would leave the "vote blue no matter who" crowd in quite a pickle.
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On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. Show nested quote +“Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,”
It's sad that there is no middle ground.
Does USA and Maine specifically really not have any normal progressives who don't have Nazi tattoos and aren't creeps generally because "establishment Democrats" siphoned them all under their umbrella?
I believe I heard somewhere that Platner was selected/discovered by a progressive org who obviously did shitty vetting, but in my ideal universe, since Platner's "shtick" resonated with a lot of people that's the same pool that the next candidate should come from, if Democrat establishment just tries to force another Janet Mills or someone equally aligned with them they are basically handing the election (and most likely Senate) to Republicans.
I know it won't happen but in a just world they'd get a list of candidates from his / progressive camp, vet them, choose the one palatable to them and run them, unfortunately, I think they'll do the opposite.
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On July 09 2026 02:42 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. “Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,” That's why I said "If Platner refuses to leave". It is his decision to make because they are functionally over. Seems he'll probably opt to drop out, though his continued hesitation is likely skepticism they won't replace him with someone that undermines the politics that got him nominated. If he for whatever reason doesn't drop out, that would leave the "vote blue no matter who" crowd in quite a pickle.
When he steps down it is going to be another massive example of how different the democrats and Republicans are.
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On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. Show nested quote +“Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,” They will get mad at you for saying “The Jews” instead of “Benjamin Netanyahu” in the quote. The allowed synonyms are AIPAC, Israel, and Zionists. This is important for self-identity, even though a common attack is that it’s basically The Jews.
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On July 09 2026 03:33 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. “Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,” They will get mad at you for saying “The Jews” instead of “Benjamin Netanyahu” in the quote. The allowed synonyms are AIPAC, Israel, and Zionists. This is important for self-identity, even though a common attack is that it’s basically The Jews.
That doesn't make sense. Lots of Zionists aren't even Jewish.
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On July 09 2026 03:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 03:33 dyhb wrote:On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. “Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,” They will get mad at you for saying “The Jews” instead of “Benjamin Netanyahu” in the quote. The allowed synonyms are AIPAC, Israel, and Zionists. This is important for self-identity, even though a common attack is that it’s basically The Jews. That doesn't make sense. Lots of Zionists aren't even Jewish.
But 90% of Jews are Zionists.
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