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On July 09 2026 03:58 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 03:47 KwarK wrote:On July 09 2026 03:33 dyhb wrote:On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. “Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,” They will get mad at you for saying “The Jews” instead of “Benjamin Netanyahu” in the quote. The allowed synonyms are AIPAC, Israel, and Zionists. This is important for self-identity, even though a common attack is that it’s basically The Jews. That doesn't make sense. Lots of Zionists aren't even Jewish. But 90% of Jews are Zionists.
Are you sure? There seems to be a lot of variation when it comes to polling data, especially when it comes to how Jewish people interpret the term "Zionist". For example:
"The Jewish Federations of North America released its survey of Jewish Americans last week. Much of the commentary on the survey has focused on the seemingly small share of respondents who identified as Zionist—just 37%. 8% identified as Non-Zionists and 7% as Anti-Zionists. The largest share of respondents, 48%, identified with none of those labels. The survey was conducted in March of 2025, as reports of worsening humanitarian conditions in Gaza were gaining traction.
Since surveys of Jewish Americans rarely ask whether they identify as Zionists, it is unclear whether the figure for those who embrace the label is low. In most surveys, respondents are asked their feelings and attitudes about Israel and not whether they identify as Zionists. In this respect, the JFNA survey found that 71% of respondents felt an emotional connection to Israel and 88% believed Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state. These figures are in the ballpark of other surveys.
The survey’s most interesting findings were about how respondents understand the meaning of term “Zionism.” There is a broad consensus that it means “the right of the Jewish people to have a Jewish state.” Most Anti-Zionists and Non-Zionists, however, defined Zionism as also meaning “Israel has a right to the West Bank and Gaza Strip”; “supporting whatever actions Israel takes”; and “believing Jews are superior to Palestinians.” Respondents who identified as Zionists tended not to identify with these additional statements. This suggests that the share of respondents who identify with Zionism depends on the understanding of the term as much or more than it does than on actual support for Jewish nationhood.
Not surprisingly, the youngest age group, 18-34 year olds, were the most likely to identify as Anti-Zionist (14%) or Non-Zionist (18%). This is the age cohort that came of age during a succession of right wing governments in Israel, and that has been most exposed to the pro-Palestinian movement which has made “anti-Zionism” its core ideological commitment."
https://www.inss.org.il/social_media/jfna-survey-finds-just-37-of-jewish-americans-identify-as-zionists/
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On July 09 2026 03:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 03:33 dyhb wrote:On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. “Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,” They will get mad at you for saying “The Jews” instead of “Benjamin Netanyahu” in the quote. The allowed synonyms are AIPAC, Israel, and Zionists. This is important for self-identity, even though a common attack is that it’s basically The Jews. That doesn't make sense. Lots of Zionists aren't even Jewish. I don’t think the way progressives use all four make any sense. But I am not a progressive.
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On July 09 2026 04:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 03:58 Billyboy wrote:On July 09 2026 03:47 KwarK wrote:On July 09 2026 03:33 dyhb wrote:On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. “Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,” They will get mad at you for saying “The Jews” instead of “Benjamin Netanyahu” in the quote. The allowed synonyms are AIPAC, Israel, and Zionists. This is important for self-identity, even though a common attack is that it’s basically The Jews. That doesn't make sense. Lots of Zionists aren't even Jewish. But 90% of Jews are Zionists. Are you sure? There seems to be a lot of variation when it comes to polling data, especially when it comes to how Jewish people interpret the term "Zionist". For example: "The Jewish Federations of North America released its survey of Jewish Americans last week. Much of the commentary on the survey has focused on the seemingly small share of respondents who identified as Zionist—just 37%. 8% identified as Non-Zionists and 7% as Anti-Zionists. The largest share of respondents, 48%, identified with none of those labels. The survey was conducted in March of 2025, as reports of worsening humanitarian conditions in Gaza were gaining traction. Since surveys of Jewish Americans rarely ask whether they identify as Zionists, it is unclear whether the figure for those who embrace the label is low. In most surveys, respondents are asked their feelings and attitudes about Israel and not whether they identify as Zionists. In this respect, the JFNA survey found that 71% of respondents felt an emotional connection to Israel and 88% believed Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state. These figures are in the ballpark of other surveys. The survey’s most interesting findings were about how respondents understand the meaning of term “Zionism.” There is a broad consensus that it means “the right of the Jewish people to have a Jewish state.” Most Anti-Zionists and Non-Zionists, however, defined Zionism as also meaning “Israel has a right to the West Bank and Gaza Strip”; “supporting whatever actions Israel takes”; and “believing Jews are superior to Palestinians.” Respondents who identified as Zionists tended not to identify with these additional statements. This suggests that the share of respondents who identify with Zionism depends on the understanding of the term as much or more than it does than on actual support for Jewish nationhood. Not surprisingly, the youngest age group, 18-34 year olds, were the most likely to identify as Anti-Zionist (14%) or Non-Zionist (18%). This is the age cohort that came of age during a succession of right wing governments in Israel, and that has been most exposed to the pro-Palestinian movement which has made “anti-Zionism” its core ideological commitment." https://www.inss.org.il/social_media/jfna-survey-finds-just-37-of-jewish-americans-identify-as-zionists/
Yes, there are a bunch of people who are Zionist who don’t identify as Zionist because many people have been force fed a wrong definition of Zionism and it has basically become in fashion to hate “Zionists”.
But all Zionism is, is wanting Isreal to exist. And it’s over 90% of Jews that believe that. Zionism doesn’t mean agreeing with Netanyahu, or wanting to make some Jewish empire, or whatever it is that people filled with hate have decided, and others believe because they don’t bother to actually look it up.
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On July 09 2026 04:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 03:58 Billyboy wrote:On July 09 2026 03:47 KwarK wrote:On July 09 2026 03:33 dyhb wrote:On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. “Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,” They will get mad at you for saying “The Jews” instead of “Benjamin Netanyahu” in the quote. The allowed synonyms are AIPAC, Israel, and Zionists. This is important for self-identity, even though a common attack is that it’s basically The Jews. That doesn't make sense. Lots of Zionists aren't even Jewish. But 90% of Jews are Zionists. Are you sure? There seems to be a lot of variation when it comes to polling data, especially when it comes to how Jewish people interpret the term "Zionist". For example: + Show Spoiler +"The Jewish Federations of North America released its survey of Jewish Americans last week. Much of the commentary on the survey has focused on the seemingly small share of respondents who identified as Zionist—just 37%. 8% identified as Non-Zionists and 7% as Anti-Zionists. The largest share of respondents, 48%, identified with none of those labels. The survey was conducted in March of 2025, as reports of worsening humanitarian conditions in Gaza were gaining traction.
Since surveys of Jewish Americans rarely ask whether they identify as Zionists, it is unclear whether the figure for those who embrace the label is low. In most surveys, respondents are asked their feelings and attitudes about Israel and not whether they identify as Zionists. In this respect, the JFNA survey found that 71% of respondents felt an emotional connection to Israel and 88% believed Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state. These figures are in the ballpark of other surveys.
The survey’s most interesting findings were about how respondents understand the meaning of term “Zionism.” There is a broad consensus that it means “the right of the Jewish people to have a Jewish state.” Most Anti-Zionists and Non-Zionists, however, defined Zionism as also meaning “Israel has a right to the West Bank and Gaza Strip”; “supporting whatever actions Israel takes”; and “believing Jews are superior to Palestinians.” Respondents who identified as Zionists tended not to identify with these additional statements. + Show Spoiler + This suggests that the share of respondents who identify with Zionism depends on the understanding of the term as much or more than it does than on actual support for Jewish nationhood. Not surprisingly, the youngest age group, 18-34 year olds, were the most likely to identify as Anti-Zionist (14%) or Non-Zionist (18%). This is the age cohort that came of age during a succession of right wing governments in Israel, and that has been most exposed to the pro-Palestinian movement which has made “anti-Zionism” its core ideological commitment." https://www.inss.org.il/social_media/jfna-survey-finds-just-37-of-jewish-americans-identify-as-zionists/
Hmmm.... "Tended not to"? Can't help but wonder what percentage of self-identified Zionists identify Zionism as "“Israel has a right to the West Bank and Gaza Strip”; “supporting whatever actions Israel takes”; and “believing Jews are superior to Palestinians.”" ?
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On July 09 2026 04:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 03:58 Billyboy wrote:On July 09 2026 03:47 KwarK wrote:On July 09 2026 03:33 dyhb wrote:On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. “Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,” They will get mad at you for saying “The Jews” instead of “Benjamin Netanyahu” in the quote. The allowed synonyms are AIPAC, Israel, and Zionists. This is important for self-identity, even though a common attack is that it’s basically The Jews. That doesn't make sense. Lots of Zionists aren't even Jewish. But 90% of Jews are Zionists. Are you sure? There seems to be a lot of variation when it comes to polling data, especially when it comes to how Jewish people interpret the term "Zionist". For example: "The Jewish Federations of North America released its survey of Jewish Americans last week. Much of the commentary on the survey has focused on the seemingly small share of respondents who identified as Zionist—just 37%. 8% identified as Non-Zionists and 7% as Anti-Zionists. The largest share of respondents, 48%, identified with none of those labels. The survey was conducted in March of 2025, as reports of worsening humanitarian conditions in Gaza were gaining traction. Since surveys of Jewish Americans rarely ask whether they identify as Zionists, it is unclear whether the figure for those who embrace the label is low. In most surveys, respondents are asked their feelings and attitudes about Israel and not whether they identify as Zionists. In this respect, the JFNA survey found that 71% of respondents felt an emotional connection to Israel and 88% believed Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state. These figures are in the ballpark of other surveys. The survey’s most interesting findings were about how respondents understand the meaning of term “Zionism.” There is a broad consensus that it means “the right of the Jewish people to have a Jewish state.” Most Anti-Zionists and Non-Zionists, however, defined Zionism as also meaning “Israel has a right to the West Bank and Gaza Strip”; “supporting whatever actions Israel takes”; and “believing Jews are superior to Palestinians.” Respondents who identified as Zionists tended not to identify with these additional statements. This suggests that the share of respondents who identify with Zionism depends on the understanding of the term as much or more than it does than on actual support for Jewish nationhood. Not surprisingly, the youngest age group, 18-34 year olds, were the most likely to identify as Anti-Zionist (14%) or Non-Zionist (18%). This is the age cohort that came of age during a succession of right wing governments in Israel, and that has been most exposed to the pro-Palestinian movement which has made “anti-Zionism” its core ideological commitment." https://www.inss.org.il/social_media/jfna-survey-finds-just-37-of-jewish-americans-identify-as-zionists/
Ah good, so Jewish (by heritage) people are only 37% Zionist (meaning they believe Jewish (by faith?) people have a right to a Jewish (by heritage?) state?) and 8% are anti-Zionist (meaning they don't believe in Israel's right to the West Bank and/or Gaza Strip).
This isn't confusing at all, I hope we differentiate between all the groups of Zionists definitionally but still call them all Zionists.
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You have to square Zionism with the 88% that think Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state. A Jewish state in the Middle East is basically what Zionism sought to make over a century ago, Der Judenstaat and Theodore Herzl and the first Zionist Congress. So I see 37% and read that as containing several asterisks. Try finding antizionists that simultaneously think that a Jewish ethnostate has a right to exist in the Middle East.
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This is another case of words becoming fuzzy over time because of bad actors intentionally obfuscating them, like "socialism" or "illegal immigrant".
The term "Zionist" originally meant someone who supported a homeland for Jews, but because the most fanatical Israel supporters accuse you of being an antisemite when you ask how blowing up a hospital or allowing settlers to steal people's houses are "counter-terrorism," it now colloquially means anyone who unconditionally supports the Israeli government against whatever real or perceived threat they're facing.
Zohran Mamdani said he supported the existence of a secular Israeli state, that technically makes him a "Zionist" in the classical sense, but you're never going to hear FOX News call him one.
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On July 09 2026 03:33 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. “Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,” They will get mad at you for saying “The Jews” instead of “Benjamin Netanyahu” in the quote. The allowed synonyms are AIPAC, Israel, and Zionists. This is important for self-identity, even though a common attack is that it’s basically The Jews.
I'm quite happy to say The Jews. Because what Platner is critiquing is funding from the AIPAC... who are American citizens many of whom are Jews, not a foreign funding arm of the Israeli government. And yet a number of progressives and whatever TYT is these days THE DONOR CLASS! is quite happy to conflate American citizens who are Jews who donate to this or that politician with money from Israel (aka Benjamin Netanayu). In that case, The Jews is more than fair characterization.
On July 09 2026 02:42 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. “Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,” That's why I said "If Platner refuses to leave". It is his decision to make because they are functionally over. Seems he'll probably opt to drop out, though his continued hesitation is likely skepticism they won't replace him with someone that undermines the politics that got him nominated. If he for whatever reason doesn't drop out, that would leave the "vote blue no matter who" crowd in quite a pickle.
You'd like that wouldn't you?
But given you already have one rapist convicted of sexual assault as the president, what's one more (alleged) if it means halting Trump if worst came to the worst? (And to my mind it is the worst.) The progressives did a lousy job vetting him. They don't get to blame the main line party for their bad job and can sleep in the bed they made. It's not like the Republicans can take the moral high ground with Trump in charge.
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As expected planter dropped out of the race.
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Always fascinating to see at what moment the parties believe someone is no longer viable. Nazi tattoo? Defend Platner. Horrible online comments, talking about how he would rape a home invader but "not in a gay way", and the million other stories? "We have to defeat Susan Collins" (the most milquetoast moderate Republican). Vote for the guy in VA who fantasized about killing the kids of his opponents? Make him AG of Virginia. But Platner's poll numbers were sinking, so some dems got this out there before it was too late to throw him off the ballot. Analogous to Biden actually. "Sure his brain is mush, but can we pretend it's ok until the election?" Watching party infighting as they knife each other is always interesting esp if you are on the other side.
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On July 09 2026 11:14 Introvert wrote:
Always fascinating to see at what moment the parties believe someone is no longer viable. Nazi tattoo? Defend Platner. Horrible online comments, talking about how he would rape a home invader but "not in a gay way", and the million other stories? "We have to defeat Susan Collins" (the most milquetoast moderate Republican). Vote for the guy in VA who fantasized about killing the kids of his opponents? Make him AG of Virginia. But Platner's poll numbers were sinking, so some dems got this out there before it was too late to throw him off the ballot. Analogous to Biden actually. "Sure his brain is mush, but can we pretend it's ok until the election?" Watching party infighting as they knife each other is always interesting esp if you are on the other side.
Whoever says republicans have conspiracy minded way of thinking, needs to shut up and read this post.
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On July 09 2026 08:24 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 03:33 dyhb wrote:On July 09 2026 02:24 Falling wrote:On July 07 2026 08:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 07 2026 07:54 dyhb wrote:Nazi tattoo guy, aspiring for Maine's Senate Seat over Susan Collins (R) might be done. Ro Khanna (D-CA), who endorsed Graham Platner last month, now withdraws his endorsement. Ruben Gallego too (D-AZ). There were previously rumors that his previous accusations from women would not be his last. That makes retaking the Senate harder. It runs through NC (Open), Ohio (Tossup), Michigan (open, hold), Alaska (Toss-up), and one from Iowa-Nebraska-Texas-Maine (Iowa more likely than Maine now, if you ask me). I'm not too familiar with Maine, but as long as Platner drops out and they replace him with Troy Jackson, Maine will probably still go D. If they try something sneaky to push the position away from the politics that won Platner the nomination they'll probably lose. If Platner refuses to leave (he has to drop out by the 13th to be replaced) I'm not sure whether the typical "vote blue no matter who" advocate would still advise voting for him, the Republican, or being one of those non-voters they are typically so critical of? To be clear, 'vote blue no matter who' is only relevant after the primaries are over. There were some skeleton hands flopping out of closets before the latest allegations came out. But, hey he was young(ish) and anti-establishment, so screw the establishment Dems! But until the deadline is crossed, there's no contradiction between opposing him during primaries and pressuring Platner to step down now and 'vote blue no matter who' position... and then maybe run a young establishment Democrat instead of populists with sketchy backgrounds who accuses politicians of being bought by The Jews. “Senator Collins is bought and paid for by Benjamin Netanyahu, and she votes accordingly,” They will get mad at you for saying “The Jews” instead of “Benjamin Netanyahu” in the quote. The allowed synonyms are AIPAC, Israel, and Zionists. This is important for self-identity, even though a common attack is that it’s basically The Jews. I'm quite happy to say The Jews. Because what Platner is critiquing is funding from the AIPAC... who are American citizens many of whom are Jews, not a foreign funding arm of the Israeli government. And yet a number of progressives and whatever TYT is these days THE DONOR CLASS! is quite happy to conflate American citizens who are Jews who donate to this or that politician with money from Israel (aka Benjamin Netanayu). In that case, The Jews is more than fair characterization. The AIPAC line is a massive divide in the Democratic party and you're mostly right in your logic. I just don't want to open the can of worms that is the next logical step. Once you associate people who ostensibly are after AIPAC/Zionists/Netanyahu of actually "accus[ing] politicians of being bought by The Jews," you have to be ready for unproductive and defensive backlash. Try to recall the last time you had a productive conversation on that antisemitic trope of at least eight centuries vintage.
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Sounds like the cease-fire is over www.theguardian.com
The US military carried out strikes on Iran for a second day, hours after president Donald Trump said that an interim agreement to end the war was “over”.
Late on Wednesday Iranian state media reported explosions in the port city of Bandar Abbas in the strait of Hormuz; in Sirik, another southern coastal city; and the south-western Bushehr province, home to Iran’s nuclear-power-plant complex.
US stock markets fell on Wednesday and Brent crude, the global oil benchmark, jumped more than 5% to close to $80 a barrel, with the economic impacts of the war continuing to reverberate around the world.
Sounds like things are going great. Who could have predicted this?
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On July 09 2026 05:36 LightSpectra wrote:
This is another case of words becoming fuzzy over time because of bad actors intentionally obfuscating them, like "socialism" or "illegal immigrant".
The term "Zionist" originally meant someone who supported a homeland for Jews, but because the most fanatical Israel supporters accuse you of being an antisemite when you ask how blowing up a hospital or allowing settlers to steal people's houses are "counter-terrorism," it now colloquially means anyone who unconditionally supports the Israeli government against whatever real or perceived threat they're facing.
Zohran Mamdani said he supported the existence of a secular Israeli state, that technically makes him a "Zionist" in the classical sense, but you're never going to hear FOX News call him one.
Yes the term illegal immigrant, which originally meant someone who immigrates illegally, after years of regressives insisting it is some kind of secret KKK code word meaning brown people, has been obfuscated so much that its meaning has evolved to mean someone who immigrates illegally.
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On July 08 2026 09:31 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 08:45 ETisME wrote:On July 08 2026 02:53 Jankisa wrote:
It's mind boggling to me that people can smugly advocate for individuals having more money and power then whole nations of tens of millions while 5 million children die from consequences of poverty every year and still sleep at night.
I almost wrote "and feel good about themselves" but the individuals posting this shit here are clearly miserable so that definitely wouldn't work. Not your money, not yours to control or rule how to spend. Should they also stay up because how much job/wealth they have generated then? I find it annoyingly stupid how we keep looking at their wealth like it's some sort of public asset to be spent. Because it is. No billionaire has ever created their wealth ex nihilo. Labor creates wealth and the wealthy take the lion's share because they had preexisting capital to invest. The people who actually create things that advance society, like Albert Einstein, are frequently socialists.
you can't be serious.
Labour doesn't create wealth, value generation rewarded create wealth.
There are plenty of value generation without hard and large amount of labour.
"actually create things that advance society", "how do you measure "actual"
we measure cost/profit because that's how we can put a medium of exchange value to the equation.
There are plenty of innovation in every single business sector, be it in the optimization of factory management to efficient warehousing with automation.
These are all extremely powerful better resource allocation for value generation.
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Inb4 the US owes Japan 300b somehow.
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On July 09 2026 16:39 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2026 09:31 LightSpectra wrote:On July 08 2026 08:45 ETisME wrote:On July 08 2026 02:53 Jankisa wrote:
It's mind boggling to me that people can smugly advocate for individuals having more money and power then whole nations of tens of millions while 5 million children die from consequences of poverty every year and still sleep at night.
I almost wrote "and feel good about themselves" but the individuals posting this shit here are clearly miserable so that definitely wouldn't work. Not your money, not yours to control or rule how to spend. Should they also stay up because how much job/wealth they have generated then? I find it annoyingly stupid how we keep looking at their wealth like it's some sort of public asset to be spent. Because it is. No billionaire has ever created their wealth ex nihilo. Labor creates wealth and the wealthy take the lion's share because they had preexisting capital to invest. The people who actually create things that advance society, like Albert Einstein, are frequently socialists. you can't be serious. Labour doesn't create wealth, value generation rewarded create wealth. There are plenty of value generation without hard and large amount of labour. "actually create things that advance society", "how do you measure "actual" we measure cost/profit because that's how we can put a medium of exchange value to the equation. There are plenty of innovation in every single business sector, be it in the optimization of factory management to efficient warehousing with automation. These are all extremely powerful better resource allocation for value generation.
That's his point, who creates that automation? Who implements it? Do you think the billionaires are sitting down and analysing resource flows, and the merits of existing automation technologies, there are barely any billionaires who are even passably knowledgeable in these fields, let alone experts. The billionaire tells someone in upper/middle management 'I want our warehouse operation to be cheaper/more efficient'. Then this c-suite manager asks an expert (or tells an underling to find some expert) to find, plan then implement it. Eg the actual systems experts and workers who implement it are doing labour. The business owner just profits from it.
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To be fair, Japan does have a history of attacking US aircraft carriers. They are probably back at it again. Can never be careful enough with the *insert slur here*.
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On July 09 2026 16:56 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2026 16:39 ETisME wrote:On July 08 2026 09:31 LightSpectra wrote:On July 08 2026 08:45 ETisME wrote:On July 08 2026 02:53 Jankisa wrote:
It's mind boggling to me that people can smugly advocate for individuals having more money and power then whole nations of tens of millions while 5 million children die from consequences of poverty every year and still sleep at night.
I almost wrote "and feel good about themselves" but the individuals posting this shit here are clearly miserable so that definitely wouldn't work. Not your money, not yours to control or rule how to spend. Should they also stay up because how much job/wealth they have generated then? I find it annoyingly stupid how we keep looking at their wealth like it's some sort of public asset to be spent. Because it is. No billionaire has ever created their wealth ex nihilo. Labor creates wealth and the wealthy take the lion's share because they had preexisting capital to invest. The people who actually create things that advance society, like Albert Einstein, are frequently socialists. you can't be serious. Labour doesn't create wealth, value generation rewarded create wealth. There are plenty of value generation without hard and large amount of labour. "actually create things that advance society", "how do you measure "actual" we measure cost/profit because that's how we can put a medium of exchange value to the equation. There are plenty of innovation in every single business sector, be it in the optimization of factory management to efficient warehousing with automation. These are all extremely powerful better resource allocation for value generation. That's his point, who creates that automation? Who implements it? Do you think the billionaires are sitting down and analysing resource flows, and the merits of existing automation technologies, there are barely any billionaires who are even passably knowledgeable in these fields, let alone experts. The billionaire tells someone in upper/middle management 'I want our warehouse operation to be cheaper/more efficient'. Then this c-suite manager asks an expert (or tells an underling to find some expert) to find, plan then implement it. Eg the actual systems experts and workers who implement it are doing labour. The business owner just profits from it.
What do you mean? Mark from Facebook, Larry Page from Google etc are all founders of the companies and very hands on with the company.
Automation is part of the entire business; the business service and product are the valuation. Marketing, logistics, financing, HR etc are all part of the business, spearheaded by the CEOs and the board.
Valuable employees are rewarded with stock options, which space X showed just how valuable it is, many have been made millionaires now.
Many of these automations are part of the business, they are rewarded based on their KPI and promotion.
Start your own automation company if it's that valuable. It's not like there's no companies specialised in automation, from software to hardware. Are you going then cry about how CEOs earning the most again?
There are plenty of extremely wealthy family, Bernard Arnault, one of the richest man in the world $160Millions, remind me how many startups did he create, how many his children start a few successful companies? What a loser mindset.
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