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United States44449 Posts
On August 17 2022 21:46 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 16:18 YautjaHunting wrote:On August 17 2022 15:54 WombaT wrote:On August 17 2022 15:25 Taelshin wrote:
Forget her trump hating, she was a warmongering witch and so was/is her father. If your honestly claiming your worried that Hageman, The woman that is replacing her in WY and will replace her in congress is worse then A Cheney then you've lost the plot.
But hey don't let me stop you and jock from supporting a literal monster because hey, they apposed trump, so they cant be all that bad, And hey maybe the new person they elected will be worse then Cheney, after all she's said she supports trump, she gotta be the devil right? lol cmon guys this is actually a good election for the world, either way it was a republican win from Wy so why not cheer the loss of a terrible neo-con warmonger. As I said, twice, I don’t know much of the background of who replaced her. If it’s someone sane, fair enough. If it’s a character like Marjorie Taylor Greene, less so. As I said, I don’t know much about the replacement character. Yes, anyone who supports Trump is either an idiot or has temporarily shelved whatever moral scruples they have. Characters like MTG (although as I said, I’ve no idea if this new incumbent is from that cloth) are, to my mind considerably worse than a Cheney. People who think they’re preferable think they’re joke figures with no real chance of influence. Until they have it. Seen it with Trump already. Hey we all have our personal foibles. The state of the current GOP is that bad I’ll flip back 15 years and find neo-cons preferable to this current, abhorrent nonsense. Others are free to disagree. I’ve seen people being warned for less. Just one of the many examples of the political bias on this website. Makes it hard to have a balanced audience when one side is free to say whatever they want whereas the other gets punished for it without any hesitation. A lot of people who supported Trump have done so because they saw him as a lesser of two evils. To some degree I’d say they were right to do so, the state of the world is proof of that when you compare how the world itself was running when he was potus and now when you have a career politician who never really accomplished anything is seen as a weak pawn by the majority of the world. Hello Russia, hello China. You trying to personally insult people because of their political vote is a pretty low standard to set. I know if I’d get into a discussion and set the bar as low as you did there, I’d at least have my comment removed and get slapped on the wrist. Exactly the reason why most people who don’t share your political views usually start trolling and taking the piss, because they already feel like it’s a discussion they’ll never be allowed to win. God I wish TL staff would apply the same standard to everyone. People already bashing someone who was supported by Trump without really knowing anything about her, take your blinders off. We are allowed opinions on here, auld Sleepy Joe gets dunked on just as badly on many occasions. Voting Trump, especially in 2016 I don’t particularly have qualms with, he was a somewhat unknown quantity. Even today considering him the lesser of two evils is one thing, actively cheerleading and ignoring his multitude of sins and character defects is quite another. One can also be a conservative without supporting Trump, that’s actually a thing that’s possible to do. The man doesn’t just run roughshod over my personal values, he backs up and runs over ostensible conservative values as well. To be clear, I don’t particularly disparage people who consider him the lesser of two evils, ok well I do a little. But by supporter I mean people who actively admire him and what he stands for, and perform mental gymnastics that Olga Korbut couldn’t emulate in defending the indefensible. And to both you and Taelshin, I twice said I knew nothing about Cheney’s replacement. It’s right up there for everyone in the thread to read. It’s the classic one-two punch of martyrdom and complaining that youse aren’t welcome in discussions because conservatives are illegal, while simultaneously completely going off on a tangent for something I never said. Maybe it’s not the conservative ideology being trampled down, indeed I myself many, many times have said I’d like more conservatives in here. Join a long-running thread, don’t read the room, read off the standard playbook and assume Biden is ‘beloved’ in a thread where he’s not much liked at all. Maybe that’s the issue? Hey we’re not all intellectual titans here, I’m certainly not but treat it differently from a Facebook post or Twitter thread and maybe we’ll get somewhere.
Trump said in 2016 that if he lost the election he wouldn’t concede and would try to take power anyway. People voting Trump in 2016 were knowingly voting for a fascist coup, he was very clear and consistent about what he would do. It’s like people saying they thought they could control Hitler and that he wouldn’t do all that shit he said he’d do in his big book of things he wanted to do after he took power. These people aren’t smart enough to hide who they are, people just really like fascists.
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United States44449 Posts
On August 18 2022 12:52 Slydie wrote:
Gotta love some "but.. but... Hunter Biden" whataboutism. Works for every bad thing Trump has ever done.
He’s the moron who got banned a few pages ago. Just switched accounts and straight into “I don’t support Trump but Hunter Biden’s emails…”.
I redacted his posts on the last few pages out of principle. Takes me seconds to undo what took him much longer to write.
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On August 18 2022 18:24 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 21:46 WombaT wrote:On August 17 2022 16:18 YautjaHunting wrote:On August 17 2022 15:54 WombaT wrote:On August 17 2022 15:25 Taelshin wrote:
Forget her trump hating, she was a warmongering witch and so was/is her father. If your honestly claiming your worried that Hageman, The woman that is replacing her in WY and will replace her in congress is worse then A Cheney then you've lost the plot.
But hey don't let me stop you and jock from supporting a literal monster because hey, they apposed trump, so they cant be all that bad, And hey maybe the new person they elected will be worse then Cheney, after all she's said she supports trump, she gotta be the devil right? lol cmon guys this is actually a good election for the world, either way it was a republican win from Wy so why not cheer the loss of a terrible neo-con warmonger. As I said, twice, I don’t know much of the background of who replaced her. If it’s someone sane, fair enough. If it’s a character like Marjorie Taylor Greene, less so. As I said, I don’t know much about the replacement character. Yes, anyone who supports Trump is either an idiot or has temporarily shelved whatever moral scruples they have. Characters like MTG (although as I said, I’ve no idea if this new incumbent is from that cloth) are, to my mind considerably worse than a Cheney. People who think they’re preferable think they’re joke figures with no real chance of influence. Until they have it. Seen it with Trump already. Hey we all have our personal foibles. The state of the current GOP is that bad I’ll flip back 15 years and find neo-cons preferable to this current, abhorrent nonsense. Others are free to disagree. I’ve seen people being warned for less. Just one of the many examples of the political bias on this website. Makes it hard to have a balanced audience when one side is free to say whatever they want whereas the other gets punished for it without any hesitation. A lot of people who supported Trump have done so because they saw him as a lesser of two evils. To some degree I’d say they were right to do so, the state of the world is proof of that when you compare how the world itself was running when he was potus and now when you have a career politician who never really accomplished anything is seen as a weak pawn by the majority of the world. Hello Russia, hello China. You trying to personally insult people because of their political vote is a pretty low standard to set. I know if I’d get into a discussion and set the bar as low as you did there, I’d at least have my comment removed and get slapped on the wrist. Exactly the reason why most people who don’t share your political views usually start trolling and taking the piss, because they already feel like it’s a discussion they’ll never be allowed to win. God I wish TL staff would apply the same standard to everyone. People already bashing someone who was supported by Trump without really knowing anything about her, take your blinders off. We are allowed opinions on here, auld Sleepy Joe gets dunked on just as badly on many occasions. Voting Trump, especially in 2016 I don’t particularly have qualms with, he was a somewhat unknown quantity. Even today considering him the lesser of two evils is one thing, actively cheerleading and ignoring his multitude of sins and character defects is quite another. One can also be a conservative without supporting Trump, that’s actually a thing that’s possible to do. The man doesn’t just run roughshod over my personal values, he backs up and runs over ostensible conservative values as well. To be clear, I don’t particularly disparage people who consider him the lesser of two evils, ok well I do a little. But by supporter I mean people who actively admire him and what he stands for, and perform mental gymnastics that Olga Korbut couldn’t emulate in defending the indefensible. And to both you and Taelshin, I twice said I knew nothing about Cheney’s replacement. It’s right up there for everyone in the thread to read. It’s the classic one-two punch of martyrdom and complaining that youse aren’t welcome in discussions because conservatives are illegal, while simultaneously completely going off on a tangent for something I never said. Maybe it’s not the conservative ideology being trampled down, indeed I myself many, many times have said I’d like more conservatives in here. Join a long-running thread, don’t read the room, read off the standard playbook and assume Biden is ‘beloved’ in a thread where he’s not much liked at all. Maybe that’s the issue? Hey we’re not all intellectual titans here, I’m certainly not but treat it differently from a Facebook post or Twitter thread and maybe we’ll get somewhere. Trump said in 2016 that if he lost the election he wouldn’t concede and would try to take power anyway. People voting Trump in 2016 were knowingly voting for a fascist coup, he was very clear and consistent about what he would do. It’s like people saying they thought they could control Hitler and that he wouldn’t do all that shit he said he’d do in his big book of things he wanted to do after he took power. These people aren’t smart enough to hide who they are, people just really like fascists.
I think there were plenty of "both-sides" centrists and low info voters who thought Trump didn't actually mean what he said or thought the media was presenting a distorted image of his views and ended up voting for him or not voting altogether in 2016. Of course, burying your head in the sand isn't an excuse for helping elect a fascist to your head of state.
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United Kingdom10026 Posts
On August 18 2022 18:30 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2022 12:52 Slydie wrote:
Gotta love some "but.. but... Hunter Biden" whataboutism. Works for every bad thing Trump has ever done. He’s the moron who got banned a few pages ago. Just switched accounts and straight into “I don’t support Trump but Hunter Biden’s emails…”. I redacted his posts on the last few pages out of principle. Takes me seconds to undo what took him much longer to write.
Its always interesting to me when people who are clearly very right wing feel the need to deny it.
Its like they know its wrong, and terrible, and people will judge them, so they have to hide it. If they only had the wherewithal to think one step further they could actually get to considering whether they want to be the kind of person who has wrong, awful political beliefs.
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I guess it depends what your idea of right wing is jock. I was cheering for a Cheney loss yesterday, but got "some" push back, It's hard to imagine anyone more right wing then her.
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United Kingdom10026 Posts
On August 18 2022 19:37 Taelshin wrote:
I guess it depends what your idea of right wing is jock. I was cheering for a Cheney loss yesterday, but got "some" push back, It's hard to imagine anyone more right wing then her.
It doesn't really apply to people like yourself who argue straightforwardly for their position though.
Its the people who deny being right wing (usually its more specific 'I don't support Trump' or 'I didn't vote for Brexit' are two obvious lies you see all the time), and then often claim to only be posting for balance or suchlike things, and only criticize any leftist and only present right wing arguments, usually badly disguised in flowery language and stupidly long posts.
If they feel the need to try and hide their beliefs, they should be questioning why that is.
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On August 18 2022 19:37 Taelshin wrote:
I guess it depends what your idea of right wing is jock. I was cheering for a Cheney loss yesterday, but got "some" push back, It's hard to imagine anyone more right wing then her. I know little of the specifics. Was Cheny's opponent a Trump supporter or not?
Because if they were its a question of what is more right wing, a war-hawk or a fascist. Both are still pretty damn far right.
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@Gora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Hageman is the Wiki for the gal who won and was supported by Trump.. I'm not not sure who you mean is a fascist but but ill tell ya Cheney is a warmonger so that parts true. If you care enough you'll have to look into it.
@Jock Thanks I appreciate you saying that I'd like to think I speak frankly here while also straddling the line of many folks who disagree with me well still trying to be relatively respectful. 279 posts in how many years, I've missed on a few but it is what is is lol.
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On August 18 2022 20:20 Taelshin wrote:@Gora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Hageman is the Wiki for the gal who won and was supported by Trump.. I'm not not sure who you mean is a fascist but but ill tell ya Cheney is a warmonger so that parts true. If you care enough you'll have to look into it. @Jock Thanks I appreciate you saying that I'd like to think I speak frankly here while also straddling the line of many folks who disagree with me well still trying to be relatively respectful. 279 posts in how many years, I've missed on a few but it is what is is lol. Anyone supporting Trump after jan 6th is a fascist, plain and simple. There is no 'sure he tried to overthrow the government and end democracy but he has some good idea's aswell'.
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Yeah, you can't really frame a Republican losing a primary to another Republican as a loss for Republicans. There's a different reason folks have for taking issue with the results of a primary.
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On August 18 2022 19:54 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2022 19:37 Taelshin wrote:
I guess it depends what your idea of right wing is jock. I was cheering for a Cheney loss yesterday, but got "some" push back, It's hard to imagine anyone more right wing then her. I know little of the specifics. Was Cheny's opponent a Trump supporter or not? Because if they were its a question of what is more right wing, a war-hawk or a fascist. Both are still pretty damn far right.
Info seems somewhat thin on the ground, all I’ve really gleaned
Hageman said the she was running because Cheney "betrayed Wyoming, betrayed the country, and she betrayed me".
But, hey she’s either on, or riding the wave of the Trump cult, so that’s just nifty. Least seems that way.
To me it’s not really about Cheney, or Hageman as candidates, but is symptomatic of, far from having an ‘oh shit’ mea culpa over January 6th the GOP are doubling down on the exact same forces we’ve already seen are dangerous.
It’s as clear cut a referendum one can get on whether the GOP think Trump should ever be held to account or not.
As I’ve been pretty consistent on my issues with Trump aren’t especially ideological, although they are obviously there. It’s the incredibly corrosive effect he’s had on the body politick, on institutions, on wider political discourse, on established conventions of behaviour.
When you run roughshod over all of that, all that’s left to keep you in check is delivering for you base, but with Trump the base is incredibly malleable and bends to whatever he’s done that day.
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On August 18 2022 19:54 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2022 19:37 Taelshin wrote:
I guess it depends what your idea of right wing is jock. I was cheering for a Cheney loss yesterday, but got "some" push back, It's hard to imagine anyone more right wing then her. I know little of the specifics. Was Cheny's opponent a Trump supporter or not? Because if they were its a question of what is more right wing, a war-hawk or a fascist. Both are still pretty damn far right.
Cheney's opponent, Harriet Hageman, is a pretty hardcore Trump supporter, including being an advocate of the "Trump really won the 2020 election / it was rigged" conspiracy theory. Also, Hageman just lied about Cheney refusing to concede their own primary race, to the point where Cheney literally released the audio recording of the call she made, conceding and congratulating Hageman.
Hageman is a notorious anti-environmental lawyer, constantly fighting *against* protections for land, water, and wildlife:
"She spent decades as a trial lawyer fighting environmentalists in America’s least populated state and opposing federal rules protecting land, water and endangered species." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/us/politics/harriet-hageman-trump-cheney.html
She also denies the impact that humans have on climate change / doesn't think we should do anything about it: "And she warned that Democrats’ climate and tax bill would be “devastating” to Wyoming, after stating that coal was an “affordable, clean, acceptable resource that we all should be using.”" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/us/politics/harriet-hageman-trump-cheney.html
She had been a pretty terrible person even before she became a Trump zealot, but now she's also a Trump zealot.
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Apparently, the Republicans have been creating a new conspiracy that Biden's new IRS agents are going to be armed with AR-15s and shooting up entire communities?
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On August 19 2022 03:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Apparently, the Republicans have been creating a new conspiracy that Biden's new IRS agents are going to be armed with AR-15s and shooting up entire communities? Because the one thing gun loving red necks fear most is a government that shoots back.
The IRS is hiring for their law enforcement branch, those people can be armed because they are law enforcement and they work in the US. A country with lots of guns in the hands of less then stable people.
Its the age of tactic of a nugget of truth in a bowl of bullshit.
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On August 19 2022 03:41 JimmiC wrote:I believe the next evolution of the republican party is where they just own fascism instead of hiding from it. They have party supported candidates who call for the execution of current members of government, praise Hitler and so on. I not think it is that far from where the republican candidates trying to stand out as the craziest of the crazy (since that is coolest way to pwn libs) where the fascist title proudly the way many people wear socialist proudly. (not saying they are the same thing just saying that someone like Bernie will call himself a socialist, where reps use it as an insult and soon I think reps will call themselves fascists). Crazy thing is I do not think it will hurt their popularity. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/gop-candidate-backed-party-leadership-172218099.html
Well, Republicans did have that digital banner at CPAC in Dallas this year that said "We Are All Domestic Terrorists", so they're already almost there. They just need to switch out "Domestic Terrorists" with "Fascists".
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/
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On August 19 2022 07:28 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2022 03:41 JimmiC wrote:I believe the next evolution of the republican party is where they just own fascism instead of hiding from it. They have party supported candidates who call for the execution of current members of government, praise Hitler and so on. I not think it is that far from where the republican candidates trying to stand out as the craziest of the crazy (since that is coolest way to pwn libs) where the fascist title proudly the way many people wear socialist proudly. (not saying they are the same thing just saying that someone like Bernie will call himself a socialist, where reps use it as an insult and soon I think reps will call themselves fascists). Crazy thing is I do not think it will hurt their popularity. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/gop-candidate-backed-party-leadership-172218099.html Well, Republicans did have that digital banner at CPAC in Dallas this year that said "We Are All Domestic Terrorists", so they're already almost there. They just need to switch out "Domestic Terrorists" with "Fascists". https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/
And they identify as Nationalist Christians, so if we could just convince them to abbreviate it to "Nat-C", we'd be done.
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On August 19 2022 07:28 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2022 03:41 JimmiC wrote:I believe the next evolution of the republican party is where they just own fascism instead of hiding from it. They have party supported candidates who call for the execution of current members of government, praise Hitler and so on. I not think it is that far from where the republican candidates trying to stand out as the craziest of the crazy (since that is coolest way to pwn libs) where the fascist title proudly the way many people wear socialist proudly. (not saying they are the same thing just saying that someone like Bernie will call himself a socialist, where reps use it as an insult and soon I think reps will call themselves fascists). Crazy thing is I do not think it will hurt their popularity. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/gop-candidate-backed-party-leadership-172218099.html Well, Republicans did have that digital banner at CPAC in Dallas this year that said "We Are All Domestic Terrorists", so they're already almost there. They just need to switch out "Domestic Terrorists" with "Fascists". https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/
I seriously thought that was fake.
I think the final threshold is they drop the veil, they embrace the one thing that always makes them recoil, and they just announce to the world that they're all White Supremacist fuckbags. But still, wow. That's actually the scary thing, when they feel bold enough to just drop the mask. I think that's always been a bad sign.
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