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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 19 2022 17:33 GMT
#75241
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_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands677 Posts
August 19 2022 18:15 GMT
#75242
On August 19 2022 08:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2022 07:28 StasisField wrote:
On August 19 2022 03:41 JimmiC wrote:
I believe the next evolution of the republican party is where they just own fascism instead of hiding from it. They have party supported candidates who call for the execution of current members of government, praise Hitler and so on. I not think it is that far from where the republican candidates trying to stand out as the craziest of the crazy (since that is coolest way to pwn libs) where the fascist title proudly the way many people wear socialist proudly. (not saying they are the same thing just saying that someone like Bernie will call himself a socialist, where reps use it as an insult and soon I think reps will call themselves fascists).

Crazy thing is I do not think it will hurt their popularity.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/gop-candidate-backed-party-leadership-172218099.html

Well, Republicans did have that digital banner at CPAC in Dallas this year that said "We Are All Domestic Terrorists", so they're already almost there. They just need to switch out "Domestic Terrorists" with "Fascists".

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/


And they identify as Nationalist Christians, so if we could just convince them to abbreviate it to "Nat-C", we'd be done.


US politics is no laughing matter, but one has to appreciate this joke ^^.
"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-20 05:19:38
August 20 2022 05:18 GMT
#75243
On August 19 2022 03:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Apparently, the Republicans have been creating a new conspiracy that Biden's new IRS agents are going to be armed with AR-15s and shooting up entire communities?

Not sure what/who you're referring to, but the 87,000 new IRS agents made a couple people antsy. A lot of folks like to point to the fact that part of the job description is to hold a firearm and be willing to use deadly force to facilitate their job: however, this has always been a part of how the IRS operates. Weird dudes showing up to talk about taxes but also having a gat ready.

It doesn't have to make sense.
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44277 Posts
August 20 2022 06:42 GMT
#75244
On August 20 2022 14:18 NrG.Bamboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2022 03:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Apparently, the Republicans have been creating a new conspiracy that Biden's new IRS agents are going to be armed with AR-15s and shooting up entire communities?

Not sure what/who you're referring to, but the 87,000 new IRS agents made a couple people antsy. A lot of folks like to point to the fact that part of the job description is to hold a firearm and be willing to use deadly force to facilitate their job: however, this has always been a part of how the IRS operates. Weird dudes showing up to talk about taxes but also having a gat ready.

It doesn't have to make sense.


Chuck Grassley on Fox & Friends, for example. Really dangerous fearmongering. There's a difference between seeing the IRS as an annoyance, and as a newly weaponized Biden army about to kill Republican families.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-20 10:14:53
August 20 2022 10:13 GMT
#75245
On August 20 2022 14:18 NrG.Bamboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2022 03:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Apparently, the Republicans have been creating a new conspiracy that Biden's new IRS agents are going to be armed with AR-15s and shooting up entire communities?

Not sure what/who you're referring to, but the 87,000 new IRS agents made a couple people antsy. A lot of folks like to point to the fact that part of the job description is to hold a firearm and be willing to use deadly force to facilitate their job: however, this has always been a part of how the IRS operates. Weird dudes showing up to talk about taxes but also having a gat ready.

It doesn't have to make sense.

Only criminal investigation special agents carry weapons, and they make a up a tiny portion of revenue agents. The vast majority are CPAs who do not carry a weapon. In case it isn’t incredibly obvious, the IRS isn’t hiring 87k CI special agents lol
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
August 20 2022 10:33 GMT
#75246
The 87k hires are also spread over years and most of the new hires are meant to cover staff that is nearing retirement. When it's all said and done, the IRS will have about 100k employees, up from about 78k in 2021, which will bring their numbers back to about what they were several years ago.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42649 Posts
August 20 2022 18:13 GMT
#75247
On August 20 2022 19:13 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2022 14:18 NrG.Bamboo wrote:
On August 19 2022 03:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Apparently, the Republicans have been creating a new conspiracy that Biden's new IRS agents are going to be armed with AR-15s and shooting up entire communities?

Not sure what/who you're referring to, but the 87,000 new IRS agents made a couple people antsy. A lot of folks like to point to the fact that part of the job description is to hold a firearm and be willing to use deadly force to facilitate their job: however, this has always been a part of how the IRS operates. Weird dudes showing up to talk about taxes but also having a gat ready.

It doesn't have to make sense.

Only criminal investigation special agents carry weapons, and they make a up a tiny portion of revenue agents. The vast majority are CPAs who do not carry a weapon. In case it isn’t incredibly obvious, the IRS isn’t hiring 87k CI special agents lol

I routinely see those job listings as a CPA. IRS agents do need to be able to carry weapons and accompany raids, though in practice you’re right, that never happens.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44277 Posts
August 23 2022 18:04 GMT
#75248
I've been reading some rumors that Trump has had so much trouble finding a lawyer, that he might actually end up representing himself in court. Any substance to this rumor?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21666 Posts
August 23 2022 18:15 GMT
#75249
On August 24 2022 03:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've been reading some rumors that Trump has had so much trouble finding a lawyer, that he might actually end up representing himself in court. Any substance to this rumor?
Appears to have been some filing difficulties which lead to him having to initially file without lawyers. They are being added to the case tho.


It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
August 23 2022 18:23 GMT
#75250
On August 24 2022 03:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've been reading some rumors that Trump has had so much trouble finding a lawyer, that he might actually end up representing himself in court. Any substance to this rumor?

Trump has had difficulty finding experienced criminal defense attorneys. The rumor that he's representing himself in court comes from some court filing difficulties he faced recently, but he still has 3 lawyers representing him. From what I understand, all 3 have very little to no experience in criminal defense. If these are the 3 he's stuck with when/if he gets charged, then I expect a very bad result for him at trial.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17982 Posts
August 23 2022 18:45 GMT
#75251
On August 24 2022 03:15 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2022 03:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've been reading some rumors that Trump has had so much trouble finding a lawyer, that he might actually end up representing himself in court. Any substance to this rumor?
Appears to have been some filing difficulties which lead to him having to initially file without lawyers. They are being added to the case tho.

https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status/1562116113999302656

Doesn't this rumor pop up every time Trump runs into legal trouble? So far he has found at least somewhat competent representation every time. I really don't think this will suddenly be the time he gets stuck without a lawyer. But hey, cry wolf another few times and I'm sure eventually there'll be one, right?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 23 2022 18:51 GMT
#75252
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StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-24 02:53:41
August 24 2022 02:39 GMT
#75253
On Wednesday, Biden is expected to announce $10,000 in student loan forgiveness for borrowers who make less than $125,000 a year and at least a 4-month extension of the repayments pause.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3612324-white-house-to-announce-10k-student-loan-cancellation-payment-pause-extension-wednesday/

EDIT: I'd prefer something that isn't means tested and I'd prefer more debt cancelled, but I think this is about as good as it's gonna get with Biden as President.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7295 Posts
August 24 2022 03:26 GMT
#75254
Hey its better than nothing. Id be adequately satisfied with this if they also stopped interest accumulation and kept the extension relatively indefinitely. That or no interest accumulation and backdate that shit.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
August 24 2022 03:28 GMT
#75255
I would be lucky enough that it would clear most of my debt, but for folks who had to borrow their way through school and accrued a decent balance, this is barely anything. Basically, they piss off Republicans because now we're Stalinist Russia for giving someone a handout, and they piss off a good portion of everyone else who wanted way more aid with way fewer conditions attached.

Basically American Democrats in a nutshell. In their myopic determination to play the center lane and offend no one, they end up pissing off just about everyone.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-24 03:59:49
August 24 2022 03:57 GMT
#75256
There was a special election to fill in the vacancy for the NY-19 House seat (held by a Democrat) which is a swingy seat that's went to Obama twice, Trump, and then Biden. Lot of eyes on it because it's seen as a bellwether for the midterms and the Republican candidate was a really strong pick who was outspending the Democrat significantly. Expectations were for a flip and the seat's partisan lean is R+4

The Democrats held the seat despite polling showing the Republican ahead by 8-10 points. The most recent House special elections after the Roe overturn showed Democrats outperforming their typical lack of interest in a midterms.

NE01 - Trump +15 -> R+5

MN01 - Trump +10 -> R+4

NY23 - Trump +11 -> R+6

Election Twitter says this isn't really the kind of environment conducive to a midterms red wave, which is kinda stunning considering the lousy sentiment over the economy with inflation, Biden's approval at 40%, and the midterms almost always resulting in losses for the party of the president.

I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-24 04:49:48
August 24 2022 04:32 GMT
#75257
We're going to see what happens. Added up across the nation, dems have still seen a turnout decline from 2018 but the GOP has seen an increase in primaries. Dobbs hasn't changed that. But the special elections are more mixed. We are watching the realignment in action. Suburban, college educated voters used to be a GOP voting block, and they are the most frequent voters...the last few cycles Republicans have been trading these voters for lower propensity ones (like rural whites w/o college degrees, and it seems now more and more, Hispanics). The Republican in NY-19 outperformed Trump's margin in the "GOP" areas, but the educated, more Democrat county was a higher percentage of votes cast than 2020. This phenomena may be very geography dependent. But still, Dobbs may have something to do with the results, and I say if that decision dampens GOP gains in the House this year, it's 100% worth it. Roe had to go. So the really interesting election will be November, and we'll see if those lower turnout voters appear. I hope they do

They only need to flip ~5 seats anyways, so the GOP are bound to flip fewer districts this year because there are fewer districts left to flip! But that's for November. Republicans and conservatives looked good in Florida tonight, including flipping the School Board of Miami-Dade, one of the biggest dem counties (and biggest counties overall) in the state.

We're watching a changing of party coalitions in real-time and it's fascinating. 1994 is arguably the last one, although if you really wanted to you could go further back than that. 1994 could be viewed more as a continuation of a trend in the South that had already been happening.

**
As for Biden, can't wait to see all the people complain about president's ignoring the law really get on Biden's case! Just kidding, no one on that side even questions it's legality (it is, in fact illegal The DOE knows it, Pelosi used to know it). But we know Biden doesn't care, just like the rent moratorium, he'll do it anyways and see if the courts stop him. He's at least as bad on this stuff as Trump was. But the results tonight are only going to make dems feel like they have to pander more to these exact voters for November. We'll see if this causes a backlash from literally everyone else.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25195 Posts
August 24 2022 05:23 GMT
#75258
What laws has Biden circumvented in the recent past? Earnest questions from a position of ignorance here:
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
August 24 2022 14:40 GMT
#75259
On August 24 2022 12:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
There was a special election to fill in the vacancy for the NY-19 House seat (held by a Democrat) which is a swingy seat that's went to Obama twice, Trump, and then Biden. Lot of eyes on it because it's seen as a bellwether for the midterms and the Republican candidate was a really strong pick who was outspending the Democrat significantly. Expectations were for a flip and the seat's partisan lean is R+4

The Democrats held the seat despite polling showing the Republican ahead by 8-10 points. The most recent House special elections after the Roe overturn showed Democrats outperforming their typical lack of interest in a midterms.

NE01 - Trump +15 -> R+5

MN01 - Trump +10 -> R+4

NY23 - Trump +11 -> R+6

Election Twitter says this isn't really the kind of environment conducive to a midterms red wave, which is kinda stunning considering the lousy sentiment over the economy with inflation, Biden's approval at 40%, and the midterms almost always resulting in losses for the party of the president.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1562283492171472896

Biden is getting really lucky with gas prices. We'll see how things go at the actual election though.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
August 24 2022 14:42 GMT
#75260
On August 24 2022 11:39 StasisField wrote:
On Wednesday, Biden is expected to announce $10,000 in student loan forgiveness for borrowers who make less than $125,000 a year and at least a 4-month extension of the repayments pause.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3612324-white-house-to-announce-10k-student-loan-cancellation-payment-pause-extension-wednesday/

EDIT: I'd prefer something that isn't means tested and I'd prefer more debt cancelled, but I think this is about as good as it's gonna get with Biden as President.


Without any changes to interest, this is not going to be a big deal. Interest is the issue.
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