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On August 18 2022 02:17 snuggerftw wrote:
So my point got proven over the course of multiple accounts, fucking love it. First I got banned because whichever mod thought I was a PBU which I definitely wasn’t but I guess any excuse will do to get rid of people who don’t follow the rest of the sheep. Ahhh yes, TL, filled with leftists thinking they’re somehow morally superior than everyone else and then they wonder why the world turns to shit when they’re in office.
Here, as a parting gift:
[snip picture]
sheesh, you're projecting too much.
the brush you're trying to paint with is wider than the wall so you're just drowning everything around you in black and white.
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On August 18 2022 02:38 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2022 02:31 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 17 2022 23:07 plasmidghost wrote:
General observation I’ve noted from my time in Belgium so far:
A shocking amount of people have asked me about the shitshow that is US politics and if I support Trump
Most people here think America is not past the point of no return yet, but are thinking it may be time for the EU to distance itself from the US
A lot of people think Trump is just a joke, but the few I spoke to that know who DeSantis is are downright terrified of him winning in 2024 I wonder what they mean by this? As in, how do they imagine that manifesting? Usually they mean strenghtening the militaries of the EU to be more independent from the US. Potentially through a unified EU army. Sometimes also diversifying the economy to be less reliant on the US. Basically, keeping stuff as it is, but preparing our own capabilities in the areas where we currently depend on the US just in case the US continues to prove unreliable.
Would be interesting to see how the US reacted to such a plan but I doubt the EU will take that path. At the very least, I wouldn't expect the US to give up that leverage without a fight.
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Admitting you've been banned multiple times on previous accounts is also a totally legit strategy for not getting banned again. Works all the time.
Lol. Sometimes you need to break up all the heavy stuff with a laugh.
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On August 18 2022 02:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 23:07 plasmidghost wrote:
General observation I’ve noted from my time in Belgium so far:
A shocking amount of people have asked me about the shitshow that is US politics and if I support Trump
Most people here think America is not past the point of no return yet, but are thinking it may be time for the EU to distance itself from the US
A lot of people think Trump is just a joke, but the few I spoke to that know who DeSantis is are downright terrified of him winning in 2024 I wonder what they mean by this? As in, how do they imagine that manifesting?
I had a really nice conversation with a now-friend old French lady a few days ago. She wants to see the EU become more military independent. I told her that would be tricky because of NATO, and she brought up something I hadn’t heard of, which was that when it got released sometime in the 2010s that the US was spying on allies like Germany, she realized that the EU needs to be a lot more guarded with its intelligence agencies, and after Trump got elected, not share nearly as much info with the US
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On August 18 2022 03:46 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2022 02:31 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 17 2022 23:07 plasmidghost wrote:
General observation I’ve noted from my time in Belgium so far:
A shocking amount of people have asked me about the shitshow that is US politics and if I support Trump
Most people here think America is not past the point of no return yet, but are thinking it may be time for the EU to distance itself from the US
A lot of people think Trump is just a joke, but the few I spoke to that know who DeSantis is are downright terrified of him winning in 2024 I wonder what they mean by this? As in, how do they imagine that manifesting? I had a really nice conversation with a now-friend old French lady a few days ago. She wants to see the EU become more military independent. I told her that would be tricky because of NATO, and she brought up something I hadn’t heard of, which was that when it got released sometime in the 2010s that the US was spying on allies like Germany, she realized that the EU needs to be a lot more guarded with its intelligence agencies, and after Trump got elected, not share nearly as much info with the US
User was banned for being a PBU.
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On August 18 2022 06:43 JimmiC wrote:Bad news for the Trump org. Another guilty plea and he's going to flip! At some point you would think people would be like, hmm his charity was corrupt, all his companies go bankrupt or are corrupt or both, he breaks every rule on record keeping, maybe just maybe he is actually a really bad person and its not the "deep state" framing him. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/trump-cfo-allen-weisselberg-implicate-185917372.html
Nope
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Gotta love some "but.. but... Hunter Biden" whataboutism. Works for every bad thing Trump has ever done.
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Who honestly cares about the Hunter Biden stuff? I don't even think Republicans actually care. I think they want to downplay the Trump admin's nepotism and corruption to voters by pointing to Hunter Biden when there's really nothing to point to. Hunter doesn't hold public office and he's not working in the Biden administration. They had his laptop for what, over a year? And the best they found was an email that mentioned someone he referred to as "the big guy" who could be anybody.
Meanwhile, Jared Kushner received $2 billion from the Saudis and Invanka Trump had 18 trademarks granted in 2 months in China while working in her father's administration, just to name a couple.
Hunter Biden is not worth talking about until actual corruption related to Biden (or any politician) is uncovered.
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On August 18 2022 15:26 Purressure wrote:
Nope
Not triggered, just expressing my opinion on the topic. Don't get so defensive.
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On August 18 2022 15:27 StasisField wrote:Not triggered, just expressing my opinion on the topic. Don't get so defensive.
Nope
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On August 18 2022 15:26 Purressure wrote:
Nope
That's not really a point as much as a platitude. Checks and balances were already built into the system to address this. The problem here is that these are being eroded.
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On August 18 2022 07:50 Purressure wrote:Nope
I’ll concede that you can probably find something improper in every politician’s career. No matter your level of integrity, there will probably be a point in your career where you crossed the line between public and private interest, be it by mistake, negligence or ignorance.
That being said, you are comparing the guy who is speeding at 55km/h or a 50 road with a guy who drives at 190 in a 40 zone, kills three kids, and runs away from the scene. Yeah. They were both speeding. But one is « no one is irreprochable » the other one is « literally the ost corrupt administration in american history, by all standards. »
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On August 18 2022 15:39 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2022 07:50 Purressure wrote:On August 18 2022 06:43 JimmiC wrote:Bad news for the Trump org. Another guilty plea and he's going to flip! At some point you would think people would be like, hmm his charity was corrupt, all his companies go bankrupt or are corrupt or both, he breaks every rule on record keeping, maybe just maybe he is actually a really bad person and its not the "deep state" framing him. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/trump-cfo-allen-weisselberg-implicate-185917372.html Nope I’ll concede that you can probably find something improper in every politician’s career. No matter your level of integrity, there will probably be a point in your career where you crossed the line between public and private interest, be it by mistake, negligence or ignorance. That being said, you are comparing the guy who is speeding at 55km/h or a 50 road with a guy who drives at 190 in a 40 zone, kills three kids, and runs away from the scene. Yeah. They were both speeding. But one is « no one is irreprochable » the other one is « literally the ost corrupt administration in american history, by all standards. »
Nope
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On August 18 2022 15:51 Purressure wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2022 15:39 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 18 2022 07:50 Purressure wrote:On August 18 2022 06:43 JimmiC wrote:Bad news for the Trump org. Another guilty plea and he's going to flip! At some point you would think people would be like, hmm his charity was corrupt, all his companies go bankrupt or are corrupt or both, he breaks every rule on record keeping, maybe just maybe he is actually a really bad person and its not the "deep state" framing him. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/trump-cfo-allen-weisselberg-implicate-185917372.html Nope I’ll concede that you can probably find something improper in every politician’s career. No matter your level of integrity, there will probably be a point in your career where you crossed the line between public and private interest, be it by mistake, negligence or ignorance. That being said, you are comparing the guy who is speeding at 55km/h or a 50 road with a guy who drives at 190 in a 40 zone, kills three kids, and runs away from the scene. Yeah. They were both speeding. But one is « no one is irreprochable » the other one is « literally the ost corrupt administration in american history, by all standards. » Nope
Who do you want to win the Presidency in 24, just out of curiosity
EDIT: Clarified I meant the Presidency
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On August 18 2022 16:08 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2022 15:51 Purressure wrote:On August 18 2022 15:39 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 18 2022 07:50 Purressure wrote:On August 18 2022 06:43 JimmiC wrote:Bad news for the Trump org. Another guilty plea and he's going to flip! At some point you would think people would be like, hmm his charity was corrupt, all his companies go bankrupt or are corrupt or both, he breaks every rule on record keeping, maybe just maybe he is actually a really bad person and its not the "deep state" framing him. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/trump-cfo-allen-weisselberg-implicate-185917372.html Nope I’ll concede that you can probably find something improper in every politician’s career. No matter your level of integrity, there will probably be a point in your career where you crossed the line between public and private interest, be it by mistake, negligence or ignorance. That being said, you are comparing the guy who is speeding at 55km/h or a 50 road with a guy who drives at 190 in a 40 zone, kills three kids, and runs away from the scene. Yeah. They were both speeding. But one is « no one is irreprochable » the other one is « literally the ost corrupt administration in american history, by all standards. » Nope Who do you want to win the Presidency in 24, just out of curiosity EDIT: Clarified I meant the Presidency
Nope
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On August 17 2022 06:46 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 05:32 Gorsameth wrote:On August 17 2022 05:19 JimmiC wrote:
I think you guys ascribe way to much loyalty to these people. They went from Covid is a fraud to Russia is actually fighting Nazi's in Ukraine. They will jump to DeSantis or whoever if Trump is gone and Q will tell him plat twist he is actually the Savior and trump was a deep state plant. Then all the people who held up and voted trump then went on to support him will say, we didn't really like him anyway and the train will just keep going.
They may well yes. Or they may not. The GOP does not appear ready to make that guess at this time. Also aside from part wide, there is also the risk of individuals being primaries if they don't buy into the cult. Trump backed candidates appear to be winning less, but the Tea Party takeover of the Republican Party is a thing that happened and can happen again. The crazies come out to vote. That's how we got Trump to begin with. On August 17 2022 04:33 Gahlo wrote:On August 17 2022 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:On August 17 2022 02:56 JimmiC wrote:On August 17 2022 02:16 Dan HH wrote:
Haven't really cared for the Mar-a-Lago story since what we have so far is peanuts compared to other things he's done and got away with and I wouldn't expect him to face any real repercussions. Obviously I'll change my mind if he is accused of actually selling that information rather than just holding it, but I'm not holding my breath.
However, the debates around it are fantastic entertainment.
The conservative intelligentsia is claiming the constitution grants the president psionic powers of declassification, as in he can do it in his mind without any procedure, or paper trailer or even shouting it out loud Michael Scott style.
But those documents have a classification status written down somewhere, a status which couldn't have been updated because the bureaucrats that do it didn't have access to Trump's mind when he walked out with them.
So there's a non zero chance that the USSC will have to decide whether reality has to acausally bend itself to the magnificent powers of the US president.
And this is not an absurdist Star Trek episode but just another week of straight faced US political debate.
I love life. It is strange after the 1000th gaffe many of them illegal you would think the Republican party would want to cut bait. He has not been a member that long, he holds none of their "christian values" and lots of polls have him in second and falling. He is the new Teflon Don where no matter how dumb, illegal and easily provable his action is the creative team at the republcian party just makes up new and crazier reasons why it was just fine what he did. Speaking of family and christian values, a Republican senator went off about DeSantis and Trumps Big Dick Energy. Which is strange in itself but extra odd when you recall that we have an eye witness account that Trumps is more like smaller than average but not freakishly small dick energy. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/kari-lake-election-denier-arizona-173612605.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/18/stormy-daniels-tell-all-book-on-trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating The GOP doesn't dump Trump because their voters are not dumping Trump. They spend decades building up a cult of voters, Trump then came along and tapped into that cult, they rallied around him in ways the GOP never expected and Trump effectively 'stole' them. Without this cult voter base the GOP has no hope of winning anything, so they have no option but stick behind Trump and try to make the best of an insane situation. Because they cannot afford to lose the cult around him. They never wanted Trump at any point. I don't know about that. I think they could easily kick Trump to the side and say "What are you gonna do, vote Democrat?" No. But they could not vote instead and then the GOP loses just as hard. To which the R response will be "Are you going to just let the Dem's win? They'll destroy the country!" I know, because I get that fed to me every election by the "vote blue no matter who" crowd.
It’s not wrong. You can’t not take a stand in a 2 party winner takes all system. You can choose good or evil but you can’t act like there’s not a choice to be made.
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