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On August 17 2022 17:34 YautjaHunting wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 17:20 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Blaming the Biden admin for the war in Ukraine is kinda mind-numbing tbh. Ask yourself this: would the war have happened with Trump? It just adds to what I said about the world’s view on Biden. Biden got into power and the world started moving in ways they didn’t before. That’s just a simple fact. Do I blame Biden for that? No, but it’s the result of voting for a career politician who never accomplished anything and is seen as an old man who can barely remember what he’s talking about during the conversation that he’s in. It’s a flawed system when you can put someone who should’ve been forced into retirement long ago in power. Have you paid attention to the white house page on social media? Twitter, FB,.. doesn’t matter. The overall atmosphere towards this administration is turning pretty grim. Prices go up - Biden has no control over that Prices go down - thank Biden for his hard work Just a small example but that’s literally what we’re dealing with today and man.. the comments you get to read from the people is just hilarious because they’re starting to wake up. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want Biden as President but I wouldn’t want Trump to regain that position either. America is on a downslope and holy shit, it’s become the laughing stock for the rest of the world. Time for someone to balance the scales again.
I mean, yeah, probably, I imagine Putin would've felt even more emboldened by having one of his friends (too lazy to think of a better way to describe their uh, relationship) as the Commander in Chief of the world's most bloated military. I dont see how Trump stops Putin from invading Ukraine tbh, Putin certainly doesnt respect Trump. I dont think any serious world leader does. Putin definitely doesnt fear Trump, he may fear the US but Trump is easily manipulated and already favorable towards Putin.
Im not sure who would have had to be elected president to make Putin rethink his invasion of Ukraine tbh. Normally Id imagine a Republican, but at this point Republicans are the pro-Russian party, and Democrats just dont have anyone militaristically inclined enough at their fore front so I doubt anyone they'd put up would be much of a deterrent beyond whatever Biden was seen as.
Yes. But clearly that wasn't possible, as for the last few years, the options have been Hillary, Trump, Bernie and Biden. And your other political entities are led by Chuck Schumer (71), Nancy Pelosi (82), and before that Mitch McConnell (80). The only recent politician in a position of leadership, who wasn't well past retirement age was Paul Ryan. It's time to force your septa and octagenerians to retire as they've all been awful, regardless what side of the aisle they came from.
Shout out to this too because christ America looks like a gerontocracy. Our leaders are so out of touch and it makes sense given how many of them were alive/literal adults when Civil Rights and MLK were going on, lmao.
actually dealing with the subject matter of the post- i would quibble with whether or not supremacy of the military was really a strong characteristic of the trump admin. every administration spends an unbelievably stupid amount of money on the military. but then he did want a literal military parade down pennsylvania avenue north korea style.
it seems to me like he stretched to meet them on purpose, because that otherwise didn’t really seem like a priority.
Trump wasnt extra-hyper militaristic, but all that really says is the US generally meets that criterion of fascism across presidents. Half that list is stuff that the US kind of generally does regardless of president, Trump just helped fill out some of the less consistently done items on the list.
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Jimmic, we're done bud, I'm not JJR's alt, people have been suspended before for making that claim, and you should be now, I don't know about the other guy.
We have literally talked in pm's before I've always been reasonable. The fact that you would cast off my posts as some "alt" posts that you disagree with is pathetic, Almost as pathetic as your fall over the last 2 years. Your post quality is so low recently most people right and left don't even read them, its glaze eyes over quality of positing.
I reported you for your post, we'll see what happens, either way, figure your own stuff out because you literally have lost the plot(love sayin that) and you look like a literal fool every time you post.
Also dude figure out how to text or type or what ever you think your trying to do, but for the love god, For the rest of us, Could you try to give proper spelling/English a go, I know your a busy guy whom posts non stop on 3+ threads on the same forum.
TLDR respond to my arguments, not who you think I am.
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General observation I’ve noted from my time in Belgium so far:
A shocking amount of people have asked me about the shitshow that is US politics and if I support Trump
Most people here think America is not past the point of no return yet, but are thinking it may be time for the EU to distance itself from the US
A lot of people think Trump is just a joke, but the few I spoke to that know who DeSantis is are downright terrified of him winning in 2024
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On August 17 2022 21:54 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 21:08 brian wrote:
the idea that this war wouldn’t have happened under trump is asinine. of course it would have. we just wouldn’t be in it, because we’d be on russia’s side. oh art beat me to it. that’s what i get for not seeing the next page before posting. Yes, Trump had a distain for NATO. Its laughable to think that Russia would have not engaged in Ukraine with Trump in office. What would Trump have done to discourage them? Threaten to Nuke Moscow? The US has been heavily involved with broad coalition building for sanctions. Sanctions likely would have happened inside of Europe without the US involvment but not to the extent we are seeing. By bolstering NATO it seems like if anything it discourages further Russian expansionism now. It also signals to China that if they invade Taiwan there is a global cooalition that they would have to go against economically if not militarily. I just dont see the logic unless you feel good about Trump handling the red button to scare other countries into submission. If anyone launches nukes its very likely the world would be a very bad place to inhabit for the forseeable future.
This basically. Trump’s general and proven disdain for multilateral institutions doesn’t really hold up in a hypothetical ‘if he was still President Ukraine wouldn’t have happened’ scenario. I mean it happens just with a less coordinated international response.
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Jimmic can you even read your own posts? what are you even saying? its eligible tripe. I feel bad I didn't know how bad it was, You figure it out bud and maybe we'll have something to chat about in the future.
Never been banned, only suspended friend, pretty sure we share that honor.
edit sorry had to save this for the future this is jimmic's post before he edits it
"You're posts are not worth rrsponding too and this name is going to get banned from the pol threads just likr the others if you keep posting because you can not help yourself. Not to mention someone who supports rubin and alex jones is too far gone to have a resonable coversation with, the base assumptions are rooted in bad for humanity fantasy.
Edit: im also batting close to 1.000 on calling PBUs so Im not to stressed."
Saving it for posterity , another gem, I'm sure he'll clean it up over the day.
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Should I go down the 'covid would never have happened with Biden in charge - PROVE ME WRONG' route?
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On August 17 2022 23:07 plasmidghost wrote:
General observation I’ve noted from my time in Belgium so far:
A shocking amount of people have asked me about the shitshow that is US politics and if I support Trump
Most people here think America is not past the point of no return yet, but are thinking it may be time for the EU to distance itself from the US
A lot of people think Trump is just a joke, but the few I spoke to that know who DeSantis is are downright terrified of him winning in 2024
Sounds pretty similar to what i and other people i know here in Germany think. Except maybe about the "point of no return" thing. I personally don't know anyone who thinks they know a way for the US to return to sanity.
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Ya I'm also glad Liz Cheney lost, You didn't seem to be but I'm glad you came around. +1 warmonger down.
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So you were sad Liz Cheney lost? Well not me but we can agree to disagree, Rip Cheney's from the gov let us hope they never grace(scare) our halls again.
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I think it may be hard to assess who's worse - Liz Cheney and her pre-Trump history as a terrible warmonger - or this new Harriet Hageman, who appears to be a pretty hardcore "election was rigged/stolen" pro-Trump, anti-democracy nutjob. They're both terrible, for very different reasons. I'd be happy if a Democrat won the seat (which is almost impossible, given the overwhelming support for Trump in Wyoming), but I don't know if the LC -> HH swap is going to end up being a net-good or a net-bad for the way the Republican party has been heading.
As far as voting for Trump is concerned: I could almost-reasonably digest the fact that some people were tricked in 2016 vs. Clinton, perhaps thinking that Trump's actions as president would somehow justify all the racism and the sexual assault and the making fun of disabled reporters and the thousand other things he said and did as a candidate (and before politics). But voting for him a second time, in 2020, after seeing him as president? That's absolutely unconscionable, and should be met with the appropriate level of horror.
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Because talking about anal sex is totally owning the libs?
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Wow what a well-made point. Noone will ever think you were banned for just being a shitter and are only discriminated against because of your political views. Damn.
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On August 17 2022 23:07 plasmidghost wrote:
General observation I’ve noted from my time in Belgium so far:
A shocking amount of people have asked me about the shitshow that is US politics and if I support Trump
Most people here think America is not past the point of no return yet, but are thinking it may be time for the EU to distance itself from the US
A lot of people think Trump is just a joke, but the few I spoke to that know who DeSantis is are downright terrified of him winning in 2024
I wonder what they mean by this? As in, how do they imagine that manifesting?
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Been a while since I’ve seen an ifunny watermark
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On August 18 2022 02:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 23:07 plasmidghost wrote:
General observation I’ve noted from my time in Belgium so far:
A shocking amount of people have asked me about the shitshow that is US politics and if I support Trump
Most people here think America is not past the point of no return yet, but are thinking it may be time for the EU to distance itself from the US
A lot of people think Trump is just a joke, but the few I spoke to that know who DeSantis is are downright terrified of him winning in 2024 I wonder what they mean by this? As in, how do they imagine that manifesting?
Usually they mean strenghtening the militaries of the EU to be more independent from the US. Potentially through a unified EU army.
Sometimes also diversifying the economy to be less reliant on the US.
Basically, keeping stuff as it is, but preparing our own capabilities in the areas where we currently depend on the US just in case the US continues to prove unreliable.
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On August 18 2022 02:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2022 23:07 plasmidghost wrote:
General observation I’ve noted from my time in Belgium so far:
A shocking amount of people have asked me about the shitshow that is US politics and if I support Trump
Most people here think America is not past the point of no return yet, but are thinking it may be time for the EU to distance itself from the US
A lot of people think Trump is just a joke, but the few I spoke to that know who DeSantis is are downright terrified of him winning in 2024 I wonder what they mean by this? As in, how do they imagine that manifesting? There was a time, mostly before W Bush, where the EU wanted to be like America. Not in a sense of specific policies but in a general "America is the greatest nation on earth" kinda way. (no doubt partially fuelled by Hollywood).
That image is complete gone. No one thinks America is a sort of role-model to strive for anymore. The question is how crap a person thinks the US has gotten.
And yes, we all know your going to see America was never great. we know.
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