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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
On September 17 2019 02:00 Sent. wrote: If you can tell what the German culture is, then you should be able to tell what the European culture is because the German culture is a subset of the European culture, just like the Bavarian culture is a subset of the German culture. Am I saying nazi things now? No, but European culture is pretty vague. Europeans aren’t very homogenous, we’re either Catholic, or the people who spent hundreds of years fighting Catholics, or neither, or very secular. We either like monarchs or like killing monarchs. We either speak Latin based languages, Germanic languages, or neither. We like soccer, except those who don’t. We have pale skin and red hair, or blonde hair, or brown/black hair, and also the skin can get more olive too. We believe in secularism, except for the technically theocratic Britain and the actually theocratic Vatican. We believe in self determination and nation states... sometimes? Politically we like liberal western capitalism, although we’re also responsible for repressive authoritarian communism so again, take your pick. We like paintings that look like what they’re meant to, and also paintings that don’t look at all like the subject. That’s why the whole European race thing is generally an American idea. Europeans know better. American used to mean white Anglo Saxon Protestant and racist Americans could happily declare themselves to be American and proud. That’s eroding over time as other people keep insisting that they should be allowed to exist and so Americans have invented a “European identity” which means “America before the civil rights movement”. It’s not a reference to anything actually in Europe. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
But if i now have to figure out the cultural things which all of the european cultures, from portugal via italy to poland and finland, have in common, i don't think that there is a lot there. If you view it objectively (and i have no idea how you would objectively measure this), finnish culture is probably as far removed from spanish culture as it is from turkish culture. And South African culture is probably closer to netherlands culture than netherlands is to polish. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12620 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On September 17 2019 01:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote: yes lets reverse it shall we. You use your effort for when a black people are the wolves and the whites are the coyotes and so all white migration into areas of blacks should be prevented for the preservation the uniqueness of your peoples. I don't know why you are pretending he was talking about preserving "white culture" when he openly talks about genetics. But I suppose that is your talking favourite point. I have my own beliefs and opinions. It only hurts discussion if we reduce everything down to two sides. I didn't pretend anything, and what you are quoting is the result of an entire extra page of discussion. | ||
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On September 17 2019 02:18 travis wrote: I have my own beliefs and opinions. It only hurts discussion if we reduce everything down to two sides. I didn't pretend anything, and what you are quoting is the result of an entire extra page of discussion. He wrote all stuff about wolfs and coyotes and genetics before your posts. If his ideology is your own belief and opinion, I will go right ahead and fight it, whether or not you think your side is more subtle than he is or not. | ||
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Vivax
22426 Posts
Nowadays it's mostly food, religion, slightly behaviour, favourite sports. The glass monstrosities in city downtowns are omnipresent. Art is globalized and often exposed through the internet. The ultimate divider (shoutout to Hideo and MGS 5  ) is still language. If every European nation had the same language , I believe we'd already be united or on the way to it. But killing a language is killing a culture and a nation and will probably keep humanity divided into eternity cause nobody would want their language to be forbidden worldwide for say, English. The Romans had a good shot at making latin universal but botched it. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12620 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9336 Posts
On September 17 2019 02:19 KwarK wrote: This is ignoring, of course, the fact that Poland got moved onto Germany after WW2. Poland isn’t actually where Poland is, they shuffled it Wast to give the Soviets some territorial gains. If you want to play that game, it was Germany that was moved out of the parts of Poland (and Baltic Prussia) it annexed and germanized earlier. | ||
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Vivax
22426 Posts
On September 17 2019 02:29 Sent. wrote: If you want to play that game, it was Germany that was moved out of the parts of Poland (and Baltic Prussia) it annexed and germanized earlier. The history of those disputes dates back to the teutonic order. WW2 is a very narrow scope. Either way, IIRC it boils down to Germany trying to push into Poland with a carte blanche from the pope under the pretense of christianization. When they were done and held Königsberg and Danzig, they lost Danzig after WW I which the Germans didn't like very much as it cut off Königsberg from the mainland. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
On September 17 2019 02:18 Nebuchad wrote: I wish I would never have to hear about european culture again. A lot of people have already answered on why it's dumb on the merits, but on top of that I'd like to add that you are insulting my intelligence, because you obviously mean white culture, and you're trying to use another word so that I can't attack the concept of "white culture". A lot of the things that are criticizable about whiteness (whiteness is not just skin color obviously) are connected to ideas that aren't directly linked to the term "european", so it's a clever substitution trick. Except it's not really clever, we all know what's happening. Oh, yes, this is the US politics thread. I kinda thought we were having this discussion in the european thread. In this context, "european culture" clearly means "white culture without having to say white". It makes a bit more sense in europe, but not a lot more. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On September 17 2019 02:04 farvacola wrote: Pretending that continental culture exists as an object based on some kind of national subsidiary theory is marginally Nazi like, but it’s more ridiculous than anything else. Poland and Germany having distinct cultures does not support the existence of a European culture. i think object oriented ontology wants a word with you | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
to be honest i think people get hung up on borders. european culture, if we were to talk about it, would exceed its geographical boundaries | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12620 Posts
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
my point is that dumbing down an argument in the form of “european culture doesn’t exist man! no such thing!” is not convincing to the sort of people who talk about european culture. so why do it? it’s not strategic essentialism if it’s not strategically effective | ||
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