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the problem with what you guys are doing is that you are marginalizing the situation that Europe faces as a whole. I will try my best to speak very clearly and concisely, keeping assertions to a minimum.
as of right now, there is not a single european country that has high enough birth rates to maintain its own population. google "(any european country) fertility rate". now, i implore you to do the same for "(any african country) fertility rate". you will see that in countries such as niger, somalia, it is common for women to have 7 kids on average. AND, the definition of fertility rate is "successful births in which neither the infant nor mother dies". in europe, it is an average of 1.15 kids per woman on average.
why is this important? because if you look at the population for all of these european countries, their population is increasing. how is that possible? well of course the answer is immigration, theres no other plausible explanation.
all I was trying to say is that i do not wish for european people to go extinct. i think borders should be closed more, but that does not make me a nazi nor a racist. it is natural for any peoples to want to be extant.
lastly, i will end this with one more thing. for those of you interested in biology, you know what a fixation index (FST) is. for those who dont know, it is a measure of how distant two animals are, genetically. specifically, the FST between a wolf and a coyote is 1.44. and, conversely, the FST between a subsaharan african and a european is also 1.44. this means that a wolf and a coyote are as genetically distant as a european and a subsaharan african. so, i believe european peoples should not go extinct in the same way that i wouldnt want wolves or coyotes to go extinct.
all of europes individual cultures are beginning to feel threatened, namely in countries such as sweden, norway, germany, etc. this is why they are generally voting more and more far right every year. and i know people have been complaining of a rise of racism in many of these countries as well.
i cant deny the great inventions that europe has given us. looking around my room right now, i am pretty sure everything has been invented by someone of european heritage. medical advancements are largely a contribution of theirs. this is another reason I wish for these peoples to be extant.
just my two cents, i hope you guys now understand that im not a nazi or an outright asshole. you may think its stupid that i care about any of this, that i should just have the mindset "we are one human race", but that is simply not a realistic expectation for people to have. people are passionate about these sort of things.
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 17 2019 00:54 fefil wrote:
the problem with what you guys are doing is that you are marginalizing the situation that Europe faces as a whole. I will try my best to speak very clearly and concisely, keeping assertions to a minimum.
as of right now, there is not a single european country that has high enough birth rates to maintain its own population. google "(any european country) fertility rate". now, i implore you to do the same for "(any african country) fertility rate". you will see that in countries such as niger, somalia, it is common for women to have 7 kids on average. AND, the definition of fertility rate is "successful births in which neither the infant nor mother dies". in europe, it is an average of 1.15 kids per woman on average.
why is this important? because if you look at the population for all of these european countries, their population is increasing. how is that possible? well of course the answer is immigration, theres no other plausible explanation.
all I was trying to say is that i do not wish for european people to go extinct. i think borders should be closed more, but that does not make me a nazi nor a racist. it is natural for any peoples to want to be extant.
lastly, i will end this with one more thing. for those of you interested in biology, you know what a fixation index (FST) is. for those who dont know, it is a measure of how distant two animals are, genetically. specifically, the FST between a wolf and a coyote is 1.44. and, conversely, the FST between a subsaharan african and a european is also 1.44. this means that a wolf and a coyote are as genetically distant as a european and a subsaharan african. so, i believe european peoples should not go extinct in the same way that i wouldnt want wolves or coyotes to go extinct.
all of europes individual cultures are beginning to feel threatened, namely in countries such as sweden, norway, germany, etc. this is why they are generally voting more and more far right every year. and i know people have been complaining of a rise of racism in many of these countries as well.
i cant help but deny the great inventions that europe has given us. looking around my room right now, i am pretty sure everything has been invented by someone of european heritage. medical advancements are largely a contribution of theirs. this is another reason I wish for these peoples to be extant.
just my two cents, i hope you guys now understand that im not a nazi or an outright asshole. you may think its stupid that i care about any of this, that i should just have the mindset "we are one human race", but that is simply not a realistic expectation for people to have. people are passionate about these sort of things.
Oh fuck, I didn't expect someone to just ad lib breiveks manifesto.
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“I’m not a Nazi, but I do think they have a lot of good ideas and we should listen to them”.
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On September 17 2019 00:58 KwarK wrote:
“I’m not a Nazi, but I do think they have a lot of good ideas and we should listen to them”.
i am genuinely sorry that you got that impression from my post. what nazi ideas am i supposedly ascribing?
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On September 17 2019 00:59 fefil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 00:58 KwarK wrote:
“I’m not a Nazi, but I do think they have a lot of good ideas and we should listen to them”. i am genuinely sorry that you got that impression from my post. what nazi ideas am i supposedly ascribing?
An existential threat to white Europeans by being out bred by the inferior biological stock of Africans, whose inferiority is demonstrated by the technological superiority of Europeans.
It’s all Nazi rhetoric. There’s nothing in there that isn’t Nazi. You’re a Nazi. There is a political group that agrees with your worldview and expresses those concerns and it’s the Nazi party.
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On September 17 2019 01:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 00:59 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 00:58 KwarK wrote:
“I’m not a Nazi, but I do think they have a lot of good ideas and we should listen to them”. i am genuinely sorry that you got that impression from my post. what nazi ideas am i supposedly ascribing? An existential threat to white Europeans by being out bred by the inferior biological stock of Africans, whose inferiority is demonstrated by the technological superiority of Europeans. It’s all Nazi rhetoric. There’s nothing in there that isn’t Nazi. You’re a Nazi. There is a political group that agrees with your worldview and expresses those concerns and it’s the Nazi party.
I never said they were inferior. didnt mention that at all, as a matter of fact. also i did not mention race, just europeans. you're making a conjecture at best, projection at worst.
is the existential threat not true, then? care to explain the birth rates, rising populations, etc? why is it not true? also dont nazis typically believe in fascism, a hierarchy of races, aggressive foreign policy, modified socialism etc? if so, since i dont believe in any of those things, how am I a nazi?
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On September 17 2019 01:10 fefil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 01:05 KwarK wrote:On September 17 2019 00:59 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 00:58 KwarK wrote:
“I’m not a Nazi, but I do think they have a lot of good ideas and we should listen to them”. i am genuinely sorry that you got that impression from my post. what nazi ideas am i supposedly ascribing? An existential threat to white Europeans by being out bred by the inferior biological stock of Africans, whose inferiority is demonstrated by the technological superiority of Europeans. It’s all Nazi rhetoric. There’s nothing in there that isn’t Nazi. You’re a Nazi. There is a political group that agrees with your worldview and expresses those concerns and it’s the Nazi party. I never said they were inferior. didnt mention that at all, as a matter of fact. also i did not mention race, just europeans. you're making a conjecture at best, projection at worst. is the existential threat not true, then? care to explain the birth rates, rising populations, etc? why is it not true? also dont nazis typically believe in fascism, a hierarchy of races, aggressive foreign policy etc? if so, since i dont believe in any of those things, how am I a nazi?
I’m not interested in debating the merits of Nazism with you.
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On September 17 2019 01:11 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 01:10 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 01:05 KwarK wrote:On September 17 2019 00:59 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 00:58 KwarK wrote:
“I’m not a Nazi, but I do think they have a lot of good ideas and we should listen to them”. i am genuinely sorry that you got that impression from my post. what nazi ideas am i supposedly ascribing? An existential threat to white Europeans by being out bred by the inferior biological stock of Africans, whose inferiority is demonstrated by the technological superiority of Europeans. It’s all Nazi rhetoric. There’s nothing in there that isn’t Nazi. You’re a Nazi. There is a political group that agrees with your worldview and expresses those concerns and it’s the Nazi party. I never said they were inferior. didnt mention that at all, as a matter of fact. also i did not mention race, just europeans. you're making a conjecture at best, projection at worst. is the existential threat not true, then? care to explain the birth rates, rising populations, etc? why is it not true? also dont nazis typically believe in fascism, a hierarchy of races, aggressive foreign policy etc? if so, since i dont believe in any of those things, how am I a nazi? I’m not interested in debating the merits of Nazism with you.
thats all you had to say then. cheers.
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On September 17 2019 00:59 fefil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 00:58 KwarK wrote:
“I’m not a Nazi, but I do think they have a lot of good ideas and we should listen to them”. i am genuinely sorry that you got that impression from my post. what nazi ideas am i supposedly ascribing?
I think some people assume that if you are putting emphasis on genetic differences, you are saying two groups should be treated differently, meaning people should have different access to immigration and other things based on genetics. In the context of population growth, looking at genetics as a parameter when assessing immigration approval, it sounded like you were saying we should curb immigration for the sake of keeping a certain % of the population a certain genetic group.
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On September 17 2019 01:12 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 00:54 fefil wrote:
the problem with what you guys are doing is that you are marginalizing the situation that Europe faces as a whole. I will try my best to speak very clearly and concisely, keeping assertions to a minimum.
as of right now, there is not a single european country that has high enough birth rates to maintain its own population. google "(any european country) fertility rate". now, i implore you to do the same for "(any african country) fertility rate". you will see that in countries such as niger, somalia, it is common for women to have 7 kids on average. AND, the definition of fertility rate is "successful births in which neither the infant nor mother dies". in europe, it is an average of 1.15 kids per woman on average.
why is this important? because if you look at the population for all of these european countries, their population is increasing. how is that possible? well of course the answer is immigration, theres no other plausible explanation.
all I was trying to say is that i do not wish for european people to go extinct. i think borders should be closed more, but that does not make me a nazi nor a racist. it is natural for any peoples to want to be extant.
lastly, i will end this with one more thing. for those of you interested in biology, you know what a fixation index (FST) is. for those who dont know, it is a measure of how distant two animals are, genetically. specifically, the FST between a wolf and a coyote is 1.44. and, conversely, the FST between a subsaharan african and a european is also 1.44. this means that a wolf and a coyote are as genetically distant as a european and a subsaharan african. so, i believe european peoples should not go extinct in the same way that i wouldnt want wolves or coyotes to go extinct.
all of europes individual cultures are beginning to feel threatened, namely in countries such as sweden, norway, germany, etc. this is why they are generally voting more and more far right every year. and i know people have been complaining of a rise of racism in many of these countries as well.
i cant help but deny the great inventions that europe has given us. looking around my room right now, i am pretty sure everything has been invented by someone of european heritage. medical advancements are largely a contribution of theirs. this is another reason I wish for these peoples to be extant.
just my two cents, i hope you guys now understand that im not a nazi or an outright asshole. you may think its stupid that i care about any of this, that i should just have the mindset "we are one human race", but that is simply not a realistic expectation for people to have. people are passionate about these sort of things. Why must you deny the inventions Europeans made? I assume you are trying to say that you can't deny, but along with the meat of your post, the actual writing of it is all over the map. It is like you are trying to sound smarter than you are and using things incorrectly and ti is having the opposite effect. Perhaps just say what you mean and it will make more sense. As to the meat of your post, it is rotten.
yes that is right, its too early 😴
thanks, edited.
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On September 17 2019 00:54 fefil wrote:
the problem with what you guys are doing is that you are marginalizing the situation that Europe faces as a whole. I will try my best to speak very clearly and concisely, keeping assertions to a minimum.
as of right now, there is not a single european country that has high enough birth rates to maintain its own population. google "(any european country) fertility rate". now, i implore you to do the same for "(any african country) fertility rate". you will see that in countries such as niger, somalia, it is common for women to have 7 kids on average. AND, the definition of fertility rate is "successful births in which neither the infant nor mother dies". in europe, it is an average of 1.15 kids per woman on average.
why is this important? because if you look at the population for all of these european countries, their population is increasing. how is that possible? well of course the answer is immigration, theres no other plausible explanation.
all I was trying to say is that i do not wish for european people to go extinct. i think borders should be closed more, but that does not make me a nazi nor a racist. it is natural for any peoples to want to be extant.
lastly, i will end this with one more thing. for those of you interested in biology, you know what a fixation index (FST) is. for those who dont know, it is a measure of how distant two animals are, genetically. specifically, the FST between a wolf and a coyote is 1.44. and, conversely, the FST between a subsaharan african and a european is also 1.44. this means that a wolf and a coyote are as genetically distant as a european and a subsaharan african. so, i believe european peoples should not go extinct in the same way that i wouldnt want wolves or coyotes to go extinct.
all of europes individual cultures are beginning to feel threatened, namely in countries such as sweden, norway, germany, etc. this is why they are generally voting more and more far right every year. and i know people have been complaining of a rise of racism in many of these countries as well.
i cant help but deny the great inventions that europe has given us. looking around my room right now, i am pretty sure everything has been invented by someone of european heritage. medical advancements are largely a contribution of theirs. this is another reason I wish for these peoples to be extant.
just my two cents, i hope you guys now understand that im not a nazi or an outright asshole. you may think its stupid that i care about any of this, that i should just have the mindset "we are one human race", but that is simply not a realistic expectation for people to have. people are passionate about these sort of things.
My favorite part about this , is that in order to not go extinct, the Europeans need to close their boarders down and continue with their declining birth rates.
Nothing says great idea to save a people like making sure there are not enough of them left
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On September 17 2019 01:11 fefil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 01:11 KwarK wrote:On September 17 2019 01:10 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 01:05 KwarK wrote:On September 17 2019 00:59 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 00:58 KwarK wrote:
“I’m not a Nazi, but I do think they have a lot of good ideas and we should listen to them”. i am genuinely sorry that you got that impression from my post. what nazi ideas am i supposedly ascribing? An existential threat to white Europeans by being out bred by the inferior biological stock of Africans, whose inferiority is demonstrated by the technological superiority of Europeans. It’s all Nazi rhetoric. There’s nothing in there that isn’t Nazi. You’re a Nazi. There is a political group that agrees with your worldview and expresses those concerns and it’s the Nazi party. I never said they were inferior. didnt mention that at all, as a matter of fact. also i did not mention race, just europeans. you're making a conjecture at best, projection at worst. is the existential threat not true, then? care to explain the birth rates, rising populations, etc? why is it not true? also dont nazis typically believe in fascism, a hierarchy of races, aggressive foreign policy etc? if so, since i dont believe in any of those things, how am I a nazi? I’m not interested in debating the merits of Nazism with you. thats all you had to say then. cheers.
I don't think you sound like a nazi at all, but I am curious what you think that "the european race" means (white people?), and why we should be concerned about them being "bred out" ?
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On September 17 2019 00:54 fefil wrote:
lastly, i will end this with one more thing. for those of you interested in biology, you know what a fixation index (FST) is. for those who dont know, it is a measure of how distant two animals are, genetically. specifically, the FST between a wolf and a coyote is 1.44. and, conversely, the FST between a subsaharan african and a european is also 1.44. this means that a wolf and a coyote are as genetically distant as a european and a subsaharan african. so, i believe european peoples should not go extinct in the same way that i wouldnt want wolves or coyotes to go extinct...
...i cant help but deny the great inventions that europe has given us. looking around my room right now, i am pretty sure everything has been invented by someone of european heritage. medical advancements are largely a contribution of theirs. this is another reason I wish for these peoples to be extant...
.. that i should just have the mindset "we are one human race", but that is simply not a realistic expectation for peopleto have... You just expoused racist idealogy. Don't pretend that it is not.
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On September 17 2019 01:14 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 00:54 fefil wrote:
the problem with what you guys are doing is that you are marginalizing the situation that Europe faces as a whole. I will try my best to speak very clearly and concisely, keeping assertions to a minimum.
as of right now, there is not a single european country that has high enough birth rates to maintain its own population. google "(any european country) fertility rate". now, i implore you to do the same for "(any african country) fertility rate". you will see that in countries such as niger, somalia, it is common for women to have 7 kids on average. AND, the definition of fertility rate is "successful births in which neither the infant nor mother dies". in europe, it is an average of 1.15 kids per woman on average.
why is this important? because if you look at the population for all of these european countries, their population is increasing. how is that possible? well of course the answer is immigration, theres no other plausible explanation.
all I was trying to say is that i do not wish for european people to go extinct. i think borders should be closed more, but that does not make me a nazi nor a racist. it is natural for any peoples to want to be extant.
lastly, i will end this with one more thing. for those of you interested in biology, you know what a fixation index (FST) is. for those who dont know, it is a measure of how distant two animals are, genetically. specifically, the FST between a wolf and a coyote is 1.44. and, conversely, the FST between a subsaharan african and a european is also 1.44. this means that a wolf and a coyote are as genetically distant as a european and a subsaharan african. so, i believe european peoples should not go extinct in the same way that i wouldnt want wolves or coyotes to go extinct.
all of europes individual cultures are beginning to feel threatened, namely in countries such as sweden, norway, germany, etc. this is why they are generally voting more and more far right every year. and i know people have been complaining of a rise of racism in many of these countries as well.
i cant help but deny the great inventions that europe has given us. looking around my room right now, i am pretty sure everything has been invented by someone of european heritage. medical advancements are largely a contribution of theirs. this is another reason I wish for these peoples to be extant.
just my two cents, i hope you guys now understand that im not a nazi or an outright asshole. you may think its stupid that i care about any of this, that i should just have the mindset "we are one human race", but that is simply not a realistic expectation for people to have. people are passionate about these sort of things. My favorite part about this , is that in order to not go extinct, the Europeans need to close their boarders down and continue with their declining birth rates. Nothing says great idea to save a people like making sure there are not enough of them left
of course, as the population will eventually stabilize. for example, if japan closed off all borders permanently forever, the japanese would not just go extinct lol comeon now
on flood control,
On September 17 2019 01:14 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 01:11 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 01:11 KwarK wrote:On September 17 2019 01:10 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 01:05 KwarK wrote:On September 17 2019 00:59 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 00:58 KwarK wrote:
“I’m not a Nazi, but I do think they have a lot of good ideas and we should listen to them”. i am genuinely sorry that you got that impression from my post. what nazi ideas am i supposedly ascribing? An existential threat to white Europeans by being out bred by the inferior biological stock of Africans, whose inferiority is demonstrated by the technological superiority of Europeans. It’s all Nazi rhetoric. There’s nothing in there that isn’t Nazi. You’re a Nazi. There is a political group that agrees with your worldview and expresses those concerns and it’s the Nazi party. I never said they were inferior. didnt mention that at all, as a matter of fact. also i did not mention race, just europeans. you're making a conjecture at best, projection at worst. is the existential threat not true, then? care to explain the birth rates, rising populations, etc? why is it not true? also dont nazis typically believe in fascism, a hierarchy of races, aggressive foreign policy etc? if so, since i dont believe in any of those things, how am I a nazi? I’m not interested in debating the merits of Nazism with you. thats all you had to say then. cheers. I don't think you sound like a nazi at all, but I am curious what you think that "the european race" means (white people?), and why we should be concerned about them being "bred out" ?
why are you putting european race in quotes? who are you quoting?
we should be concerned about them being bred out for the same reason we should be concerned about anyone being bred out. preserving the uniqueness of your peoples is something that is innate and natural for humans since the dawn of man. and as mentioned, i am willing to bet $100 that basically everything in whatever room you are in right now was invented/discovered by someone of european descent.
and i already explained the reasoning for why i think europeans are being "bred out", as you put it. its evident, its definitely happening. the only question is, should we do anything about it or just let it happen? as someone of european heritage myself, the answer is obvious.
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On September 17 2019 01:15 fefil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 01:14 IyMoon wrote:On September 17 2019 00:54 fefil wrote:
the problem with what you guys are doing is that you are marginalizing the situation that Europe faces as a whole. I will try my best to speak very clearly and concisely, keeping assertions to a minimum.
as of right now, there is not a single european country that has high enough birth rates to maintain its own population. google "(any european country) fertility rate". now, i implore you to do the same for "(any african country) fertility rate". you will see that in countries such as niger, somalia, it is common for women to have 7 kids on average. AND, the definition of fertility rate is "successful births in which neither the infant nor mother dies". in europe, it is an average of 1.15 kids per woman on average.
why is this important? because if you look at the population for all of these european countries, their population is increasing. how is that possible? well of course the answer is immigration, theres no other plausible explanation.
all I was trying to say is that i do not wish for european people to go extinct. i think borders should be closed more, but that does not make me a nazi nor a racist. it is natural for any peoples to want to be extant.
lastly, i will end this with one more thing. for those of you interested in biology, you know what a fixation index (FST) is. for those who dont know, it is a measure of how distant two animals are, genetically. specifically, the FST between a wolf and a coyote is 1.44. and, conversely, the FST between a subsaharan african and a european is also 1.44. this means that a wolf and a coyote are as genetically distant as a european and a subsaharan african. so, i believe european peoples should not go extinct in the same way that i wouldnt want wolves or coyotes to go extinct.
all of europes individual cultures are beginning to feel threatened, namely in countries such as sweden, norway, germany, etc. this is why they are generally voting more and more far right every year. and i know people have been complaining of a rise of racism in many of these countries as well.
i cant help but deny the great inventions that europe has given us. looking around my room right now, i am pretty sure everything has been invented by someone of european heritage. medical advancements are largely a contribution of theirs. this is another reason I wish for these peoples to be extant.
just my two cents, i hope you guys now understand that im not a nazi or an outright asshole. you may think its stupid that i care about any of this, that i should just have the mindset "we are one human race", but that is simply not a realistic expectation for people to have. people are passionate about these sort of things. My favorite part about this , is that in order to not go extinct, the Europeans need to close their boarders down and continue with their declining birth rates. Nothing says great idea to save a people like making sure there are not enough of them left of course, as the population will eventually stabilize. for example, if japan closed off all borders permanently forever, the japanese would not just go extinct lol comeon now
That’s what a birth rate of 1.15 per woman would mean.
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That was easy, he went from cultures to peoples and their genetics. Whatever happened to plausible deniability?
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On September 17 2019 01:16 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 01:15 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 01:14 IyMoon wrote:On September 17 2019 00:54 fefil wrote:
the problem with what you guys are doing is that you are marginalizing the situation that Europe faces as a whole. I will try my best to speak very clearly and concisely, keeping assertions to a minimum.
as of right now, there is not a single european country that has high enough birth rates to maintain its own population. google "(any european country) fertility rate". now, i implore you to do the same for "(any african country) fertility rate". you will see that in countries such as niger, somalia, it is common for women to have 7 kids on average. AND, the definition of fertility rate is "successful births in which neither the infant nor mother dies". in europe, it is an average of 1.15 kids per woman on average.
why is this important? because if you look at the population for all of these european countries, their population is increasing. how is that possible? well of course the answer is immigration, theres no other plausible explanation.
all I was trying to say is that i do not wish for european people to go extinct. i think borders should be closed more, but that does not make me a nazi nor a racist. it is natural for any peoples to want to be extant.
lastly, i will end this with one more thing. for those of you interested in biology, you know what a fixation index (FST) is. for those who dont know, it is a measure of how distant two animals are, genetically. specifically, the FST between a wolf and a coyote is 1.44. and, conversely, the FST between a subsaharan african and a european is also 1.44. this means that a wolf and a coyote are as genetically distant as a european and a subsaharan african. so, i believe european peoples should not go extinct in the same way that i wouldnt want wolves or coyotes to go extinct.
all of europes individual cultures are beginning to feel threatened, namely in countries such as sweden, norway, germany, etc. this is why they are generally voting more and more far right every year. and i know people have been complaining of a rise of racism in many of these countries as well.
i cant help but deny the great inventions that europe has given us. looking around my room right now, i am pretty sure everything has been invented by someone of european heritage. medical advancements are largely a contribution of theirs. this is another reason I wish for these peoples to be extant.
just my two cents, i hope you guys now understand that im not a nazi or an outright asshole. you may think its stupid that i care about any of this, that i should just have the mindset "we are one human race", but that is simply not a realistic expectation for people to have. people are passionate about these sort of things. My favorite part about this , is that in order to not go extinct, the Europeans need to close their boarders down and continue with their declining birth rates. Nothing says great idea to save a people like making sure there are not enough of them left of course, as the population will eventually stabilize. for example, if japan closed off all borders permanently forever, the japanese would not just go extinct lol comeon now That’s what a birth rate of 1.15 per woman would mean.
The birth rate would change...
I agree with him, the idea that the people of a nation would just stop breeding and go extinct is ridiculous, unless there is something seriously wrong environmentally rather than culturally.
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On September 17 2019 01:14 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 01:11 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 01:11 KwarK wrote:On September 17 2019 01:10 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 01:05 KwarK wrote:On September 17 2019 00:59 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 00:58 KwarK wrote:
“I’m not a Nazi, but I do think they have a lot of good ideas and we should listen to them”. i am genuinely sorry that you got that impression from my post. what nazi ideas am i supposedly ascribing? An existential threat to white Europeans by being out bred by the inferior biological stock of Africans, whose inferiority is demonstrated by the technological superiority of Europeans. It’s all Nazi rhetoric. There’s nothing in there that isn’t Nazi. You’re a Nazi. There is a political group that agrees with your worldview and expresses those concerns and it’s the Nazi party. I never said they were inferior. didnt mention that at all, as a matter of fact. also i did not mention race, just europeans. you're making a conjecture at best, projection at worst. is the existential threat not true, then? care to explain the birth rates, rising populations, etc? why is it not true? also dont nazis typically believe in fascism, a hierarchy of races, aggressive foreign policy etc? if so, since i dont believe in any of those things, how am I a nazi? I’m not interested in debating the merits of Nazism with you. thats all you had to say then. cheers. I don't think you sound like a nazi at all, but I am curious what you think that "the european race" means (white people?), and why we should be concerned about them being "bred out" ?
If you don’t think he sounds like a Nazi you must be unclear on what Nazis sound like. The “look at the technological and social achievements of Europe compared to the spear chuckers, we must defend our genetic stock to preserve this” is Nazi 101. It’s the main argument used to defend the importance of the preservation of the white race which is what his post was arguing.
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On September 17 2019 01:19 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2019 01:16 KwarK wrote:On September 17 2019 01:15 fefil wrote:On September 17 2019 01:14 IyMoon wrote:On September 17 2019 00:54 fefil wrote:
the problem with what you guys are doing is that you are marginalizing the situation that Europe faces as a whole. I will try my best to speak very clearly and concisely, keeping assertions to a minimum.
as of right now, there is not a single european country that has high enough birth rates to maintain its own population. google "(any european country) fertility rate". now, i implore you to do the same for "(any african country) fertility rate". you will see that in countries such as niger, somalia, it is common for women to have 7 kids on average. AND, the definition of fertility rate is "successful births in which neither the infant nor mother dies". in europe, it is an average of 1.15 kids per woman on average.
why is this important? because if you look at the population for all of these european countries, their population is increasing. how is that possible? well of course the answer is immigration, theres no other plausible explanation.
all I was trying to say is that i do not wish for european people to go extinct. i think borders should be closed more, but that does not make me a nazi nor a racist. it is natural for any peoples to want to be extant.
lastly, i will end this with one more thing. for those of you interested in biology, you know what a fixation index (FST) is. for those who dont know, it is a measure of how distant two animals are, genetically. specifically, the FST between a wolf and a coyote is 1.44. and, conversely, the FST between a subsaharan african and a european is also 1.44. this means that a wolf and a coyote are as genetically distant as a european and a subsaharan african. so, i believe european peoples should not go extinct in the same way that i wouldnt want wolves or coyotes to go extinct.
all of europes individual cultures are beginning to feel threatened, namely in countries such as sweden, norway, germany, etc. this is why they are generally voting more and more far right every year. and i know people have been complaining of a rise of racism in many of these countries as well.
i cant help but deny the great inventions that europe has given us. looking around my room right now, i am pretty sure everything has been invented by someone of european heritage. medical advancements are largely a contribution of theirs. this is another reason I wish for these peoples to be extant.
just my two cents, i hope you guys now understand that im not a nazi or an outright asshole. you may think its stupid that i care about any of this, that i should just have the mindset "we are one human race", but that is simply not a realistic expectation for people to have. people are passionate about these sort of things. My favorite part about this , is that in order to not go extinct, the Europeans need to close their boarders down and continue with their declining birth rates. Nothing says great idea to save a people like making sure there are not enough of them left of course, as the population will eventually stabilize. for example, if japan closed off all borders permanently forever, the japanese would not just go extinct lol comeon now That’s what a birth rate of 1.15 per woman would mean. The birth rate would change... I agree with him, the idea that the people of a nation would just stop breeding and go extinct is ridiculous, unless there is something seriously wrong environmentally rather than culturally.
He’s the one who came up with that birth rate (which isn’t factually accurate but whatever), not me. All I’m saying is that if it were accurate then it would necessarily result in extinction, regardless of border controls.
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