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On September 04 2026 10:49 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 08:18 KwarK wrote:
lol I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why? You use someone's proper pronouns as a sign of respect once they ask you to use them. GH is the opposite of respecting people.
I get that in the sense that if it were oBlade requesting specific pronouns I'd have little interest in respecting it because I have little reason to think oBlade respects it. That said, I probably still WOULD respect the pronouns (Barring "Attack helicopter" or the like) just because -I- respect peoples' rights to choosing pronouns.
Similarly, even if I believed in my heart that GH just whipped out new pronouns in the moment to win an argument, I'd still respect those pronouns while arguing that they're probably a piece of shit for calling for pronouns to win an argument.
In that way, respecting pronouns isn't respecting GH, it's respecting pronouns.
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On September 04 2026 11:33 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2026 10:49 Sermokala wrote:On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 08:18 KwarK wrote:
lol I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why? You use someone's proper pronouns as a sign of respect once they ask you to use them. GH is the opposite of respecting people. I get that in the sense that if it were oBlade requesting specific pronouns I'd have little interest in respecting it because I have little reason to think oBlade respects it. That said, I probably still WOULD respect the pronouns (Barring "Attack helicopter" or the like) just because -I- respect peoples' rights to choosing pronouns. Similarly, even if I believed in my heart that GH just whipped out new pronouns in the moment to win an argument, I'd still respect those pronouns while arguing that they're probably a piece of shit for calling for pronouns to win an argument. In that way, respecting pronouns isn't respecting GH, it's respecting pronouns.
Agreed
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On September 04 2026 11:33 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2026 10:49 Sermokala wrote:On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 08:18 KwarK wrote:
lol I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why? You use someone's proper pronouns as a sign of respect once they ask you to use them. GH is the opposite of respecting people. I get that in the sense that if it were oBlade requesting specific pronouns I'd have little interest in respecting it because I have little reason to think oBlade respects it. That said, I probably still WOULD respect the pronouns (Barring "Attack helicopter" or the like) just because -I- respect peoples' rights to choosing pronouns. Similarly, even if I believed in my heart that GH just whipped out new pronouns in the moment to win an argument, I'd still respect those pronouns while arguing that they're probably a piece of shit for calling for pronouns to win an argument. In that way, respecting pronouns isn't respecting GH, it's respecting pronouns.
I would respect one's pronouns, regardless of how much I respected, loved, or hated the individual or their perspective on certain issues.
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On September 04 2026 13:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2026 11:33 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 10:49 Sermokala wrote:On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 08:18 KwarK wrote:
lol I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why? You use someone's proper pronouns as a sign of respect once they ask you to use them. GH is the opposite of respecting people. I get that in the sense that if it were oBlade requesting specific pronouns I'd have little interest in respecting it because I have little reason to think oBlade respects it. That said, I probably still WOULD respect the pronouns (Barring "Attack helicopter" or the like) just because -I- respect peoples' rights to choosing pronouns. Similarly, even if I believed in my heart that GH just whipped out new pronouns in the moment to win an argument, I'd still respect those pronouns while arguing that they're probably a piece of shit for calling for pronouns to win an argument. In that way, respecting pronouns isn't respecting GH, it's respecting pronouns. I would respect one's pronouns, regardless of how much I respected, loved, or hated the individual or their perspective on certain issues.
I want to believe I would, but I haven't really been tested. Would I respect Trump she/her? I don't know. I'd certainly struggle to believe they were doing it genuinely and not just to be the first female president.
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Oh yes, let's talk some more about bs pronouns and be "offended" on behalf of someone else.
Prime example of self sabotage.
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On September 04 2026 14:29 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2026 13:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 04 2026 11:33 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 10:49 Sermokala wrote:On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 08:18 KwarK wrote:
lol I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why? You use someone's proper pronouns as a sign of respect once they ask you to use them. GH is the opposite of respecting people. I get that in the sense that if it were oBlade requesting specific pronouns I'd have little interest in respecting it because I have little reason to think oBlade respects it. That said, I probably still WOULD respect the pronouns (Barring "Attack helicopter" or the like) just because -I- respect peoples' rights to choosing pronouns. Similarly, even if I believed in my heart that GH just whipped out new pronouns in the moment to win an argument, I'd still respect those pronouns while arguing that they're probably a piece of shit for calling for pronouns to win an argument. In that way, respecting pronouns isn't respecting GH, it's respecting pronouns. I would respect one's pronouns, regardless of how much I respected, loved, or hated the individual or their perspective on certain issues. I want to believe I would, but I haven't really been tested. Would I respect Trump she/her? I don't know. I'd certainly struggle to believe they were doing it genuinely and not just to be the first female president.
I see what you mean, since realistically we would know that Trump is lying (like always). But even if we unrealistically lived in a hypothetical universe where Donald Trump *sincerely* and publicly started identifying as a trans-woman, it wouldn't change the fact that Trump is still a terrible human being and terrible president, so honoring preferred pronouns wouldn't slow down my critiques at all.
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On September 04 2026 15:41 Velr wrote:
Oh yes, let's talk some more about bs pronouns and be "offended" on behalf of someone else.
Prime example of self sabotage.
You don't have to talk about the trans community, gender identity, and/or preferred pronouns if you don't want to, but they're definitely related to U.S. politics, especially considering how frequently the trans community has been targeted, demonized, and scapegoated by Trump and the MAGA community.
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Unless someone is malicious about it (changing their pronouns frequently just to annoy someone) it takes 0 effort and is exactly the same as when you have communication with someone only in writing and assume the wrong gender because they have a name that is gender neutral / usually for the other gender in your language. Unless you are a bit weird or there are some special circumstances you wouldn't deliberately misgender someone who's gender identity matches their sex either.
And with GreenHorizons you don't respect it just for their sake, but also for every other non binary person that might be reading, and to normalise it. I believe improving casual acceptance of nonbinary people is the way to erode the base for the fearmongering and instrumentalised hate and prejudice utilised by various political and ideological groups.
I would agree that it is a tragedy for the nonbinary community to have GreenHorizons be associated with them though.
EDIT: thanks for the correction DarkPlasmaBall
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I know I might be in the minority here, but demanding people call you a certain way that's not she/her or he/him is extremely bizarre to me. Might be an american thing.
Don't get me wrong if you are transgender ftm or mtf I'll gladly call you by your preferred pronouns, but I'm not using pronouns that don't exist.
Might be a bit different here in that "they/them" are real pronouns just used for plural forms usually whereas in switzerland/france, the equivalent "iel" is completely made up.
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On September 04 2026 18:19 Geiko wrote:
I know I might be in the minority here, but demanding people call you a certain way that's not she/her or he/him is extremely bizarre to me. Might be an american thing.
Don't get me wrong if you are transgender ftm or mtf I'll gladly call you by your preferred pronouns, but I'm not using pronouns that don't exist.
Might be a bit different here in that "they/them" are real pronouns just used for plural forms usually whereas in switzerland/france, the equivalent "iel" is completely made up.
It does feel weird to me as well, especially so because in german it was often used in the context of dehumanising someone. But so does addressing someone with a pronoun opposite to the gender they are presenting. Its just breaking with the norm that causes it I think and you will get used to it eventually. I haven't encountered any neo pronouns in the wild yet, so not sure if I would feel any different about those.
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On September 04 2026 18:06 Artesimo wrote:
Unless someone is malicious about it (changing their pronouns frequently just to annoy someone) it takes 0 effort and is exactly the same as when you have communication with someone only in writing and assume the wrong gender because they have a name that is gender neutral / usually for the other gender in your language. Unless you are a bit weird or there are some special circumstances you wouldn't deliberately misgender someone who's gender identity matches their sex either.
And with GreenHorizons you don't respect it for their sake, but for every other non binary person that might be reading, and to normalise it. I believe improving casual acceptance of nonbinary people is the way to erode the base for the fearmongering and instrumentalised hate and prejudice utilised by various political and ideological groups.
Well said. Totally agree, although I'd say "And with GreenHorizons, respecting their pronouns isn't just for their sake..."
On September 04 2026 18:19 Geiko wrote:
I know I might be in the minority here, but demanding people call you a certain way that's not she/her or he/him is extremely bizarre to me. Might be an american thing.
Don't get me wrong if you are transgender ftm or mtf I'll gladly call you by your preferred pronouns, but I'm not using pronouns that don't exist.
Might be a bit different here in that "they/them" are real pronouns just used for plural forms usually whereas in switzerland/france, the equivalent "iel" is completely made up.
You're probably not alone there. I don't think I've ever experienced the request as a "demand", and they/them are pronouns we already use to reference people, so it's never been too weird for me. They/Them have been used as both plural pronouns and as singular pronouns in American English, depending on the context, even before the recognition of a non-binary gender identity entered into our cultural zeitgeist.
I find that using a pronoun takes about as much effort as using a nickname for someone. If I have a student whose first name and middle name are Andrew Joseph, but they'd like to be called Andy or AJ or Joseph or Joe, then I'll honor it and I can easily connect the dots as to why they choose those nicknames instead of being called Andrew. But even if they prefer to be called Chris or Nick or Andrea or Josephina, I'll still honor it because it's just as much of a non-hassle for me, and it's clearly important enough to the student that they'd want to bring it to my attention in the first place.
I haven't had any personal experiences with people asking me to use neo-pronouns like "ze" - that's probably an incredibly tiny percentage of the already-small community we're talking about - but I'd try to honor that too even if it's a brand new word for me, since I already experience brand new first names every year at school (and it's also an easy thing to navigate around if someone really wanted to... I can always still use the person's name instead of their pronouns).
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On September 04 2026 18:19 Geiko wrote:
I know I might be in the minority here, but demanding people call you a certain way that's not she/her or he/him is extremely bizarre to me. Might be an american thing.
Don't get me wrong if you are transgender ftm or mtf I'll gladly call you by your preferred pronouns, but I'm not using pronouns that don't exist.
Might be a bit different here in that "they/them" are real pronouns just used for plural forms usually whereas in switzerland/france, the equivalent "iel" is completely made up.
Also find it extremely weird, that being said, i don’t care enough not to make the effort if it makes some people happy.
I live in Norway, so i have never been confronted to « iel », which i also think sounds kind of awful.
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On September 04 2026 17:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2026 15:41 Velr wrote:
Oh yes, let's talk some more about bs pronouns and be "offended" on behalf of someone else.
Prime example of self sabotage. You don't have to talk about the trans community, gender identity, and/or preferred pronouns if you don't want to, but they're definitely related to U.S. politics, especially considering how frequently the trans community has been targeted, demonized, and scapegoated by Trump and the MAGA community.
The people bringing it up are always against the Democratic Party, because it’s a losing issue and providing oxygen to it is bad for them.
At the end we just have to be kind to people. If you said stop calling me DPB I would, whether or not I understood why.
Gh just makes it more complicated because GH is actively trying to upset and piss people off, so they react in kind. If people want to give GH a hard time then I don’t care because if anyone here has earned it, it’s GH. I try not too in case there is someone who could be legitimately offended.
That being said harping on people who slip up from time to time is not helping anyone. I know very few non binary people, but none of them react to pronouns like this and none of them want it made into a big deal. It’s not like a racial slur like some people seem to try to make it out to be.
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On September 04 2026 18:19 Geiko wrote:
I know I might be in the minority here, but demanding people call you a certain way that's not she/her or he/him is extremely bizarre to me. Might be an american thing.
Don't get me wrong if you are transgender ftm or mtf I'll gladly call you by your preferred pronouns, but I'm not using pronouns that don't exist.
Might be a bit different here in that "they/them" are real pronouns just used for plural forms usually whereas in switzerland/france, the equivalent "iel" is completely made up.
I kind of prefer a new one, which we don’t have. I’m conversation the plural gets really confusing. My wife talking about her non binary friend, they came over, and then for a good part of the conversation I think it’s a group before I realize, oh wait it’s one person with a plural pronoun.
I generally do not understand Trans, as I think most of what our society considers female and male are made up branding and marketing. But clearly it is very real for those involved and I can’t have a real conversation about it because it is extremely charged.
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Easy solution in English is to just refer to people as they/them by default unless you know their preference is otherwise. Do something similar in other languages if it's grammatically possible and not considered rude in that language.
Even if you think someone is acting in bad faith, you should still use their preferred pronouns anyway because you're causing real harm if you end up being wrong.
That being said, it's a fascinating mentality to say that voting for Kamala Harris is essentially voting for Adolf Hitler but think someone using the wrong pronouns probably by accident is making this forum toxic.
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On September 04 2026 22:15 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2026 18:19 Geiko wrote:
I know I might be in the minority here, but demanding people call you a certain way that's not she/her or he/him is extremely bizarre to me. Might be an american thing.
Don't get me wrong if you are transgender ftm or mtf I'll gladly call you by your preferred pronouns, but I'm not using pronouns that don't exist.
Might be a bit different here in that "they/them" are real pronouns just used for plural forms usually whereas in switzerland/france, the equivalent "iel" is completely made up. I kind of prefer a new one, which we don’t have. I’m conversation the plural gets really confusing. My wife talking about her non binary friend, they came over, and then for a good part of the conversation I think it’s a group before I realize, oh wait it’s one person with a plural pronoun.
Don't context clues help you figure this out, like Friend vs. Friends, since pronouns don't replace all the other helpful nouns and names? Like, "I saw my friend and they said they adopted a new puppy" = obviously singular and non-binary ("friend"), whereas "I saw some friends at the mall and they were shopping for new clothes" = obviously plural ("friends").
Similarly, if I've learned something as specific as a person's gender identity / preferred pronouns, then surely I've already learned their name too. "I saw John today; they say Hi" really shouldn't be misinterpreted as plural.
All that being said, I'm also open to new words being invented and used whenever the need arises.
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On September 04 2026 22:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2026 22:15 Billyboy wrote:On September 04 2026 18:19 Geiko wrote:
I know I might be in the minority here, but demanding people call you a certain way that's not she/her or he/him is extremely bizarre to me. Might be an american thing.
Don't get me wrong if you are transgender ftm or mtf I'll gladly call you by your preferred pronouns, but I'm not using pronouns that don't exist.
Might be a bit different here in that "they/them" are real pronouns just used for plural forms usually whereas in switzerland/france, the equivalent "iel" is completely made up. I kind of prefer a new one, which we don’t have. I’m conversation the plural gets really confusing. My wife talking about her non binary friend, they came over, and then for a good part of the conversation I think it’s a group before I realize, oh wait it’s one person with a plural pronoun. Don't context clues help you figure this out, like Friend vs. Friends, since pronouns don't replace all the other helpful nouns and names? Like, "I saw my friend and they said they adopted a new puppy" = obviously singular and non-binary ("friend"), whereas "I saw some friends at the mall and they were shopping for new clothes" = obviously plural ("friends"). Similarly, if I've learned something as specific as a person's gender identity / preferred pronouns, then surely I've already learned their name too. "I saw John today; they say Hi" really shouldn't be misinterpreted as plural. All that being said, I'm also open to new words being invented and used whenever the need arises.
I didn’t say it was impossible and mentioned how I catch up when the other words are there. It is just that they are not always and plus I’ve had decades using those words in one way it is not an instant flip flop to the new way. I simply stated my preference would be the new word not the plural, where as he preferred the other.
And this is what people in general need to realize, there is a major difference between people saying something they always have. And people seeing someone clearly dressed as man and calling them maam.
Here is even worse, because you have tons of history of doing one way and we are all actually genderless names on a screen with no visual clues.
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Trump tells Fed to slash rates or he’ll end trade with countries with U.S. surpluses: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/09/04/trump-fed-rates-jobs-trade.html
So he's threatening to end all trade with China, Canada, Mexico, the EU, Japan, South Korea, and numerous other countries. Economic equivalent of threatening to launch nukes. When is enough insanity enough?
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Apparently never.
But real talk, if the Republicans actually get completely smashed in the mid terms, and Trumps absolutely awful picks like Paxton (holy shit is this guy the worst candidate ever?) lose in red states. Then I could see all the self interested assholes turn on him as that might be seen as the better for them choice.
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Great jobs number just announced, breaking all estimates (except mine!) by double and triple - And you haven’t seen anything yet! EMPLOYERS ADDED 162,000 JOB IN AUGUST. Lower the interest rates because the U.S.A. is a much stronger credit than it was just a short time ago! A STRONG COUNTRY MEANS A LOWER INTEREST RATE - IT’S A BETTER CREDIT…Very simple! We should have the LOWEST RATE of any country in the World, like “the old days.” Without the United States agreeing to allow them their big surpluses, and we could stop that immediately, they would no longer be considered financially ELITE! LOWER THE RATE OR I’LL STOP TRADING WITH COUNTRIES WITH WHICH WE HAVE A DEFICIT, which the U.S. Supreme Court, in its ridiculous and very costly Tariff decision, strongly acknowledged “the President” has an absolute right to do. IT’S BETTER THAN TARIFFS! The Fed Board, with its great new leader, must get smart - BE PATRIOTS for a change. High interest rates put the U.S.A. at a very unfair disadvantage, and I won’t allow that to happen! President DONALD J. TRUMP
Somehow it looks even worse when you have to read it.
Like what in the ever loving fuck, and it's not a new thing, he's been an unhinged moron posting like a facebook racist grandpa for ever, and the chucklefucks keep on voting for him.
Well, in any case, this won't even be news because it's the new normal in schizophrenic USA, as always, the secret ingredient is crime, he tweets something unhinged and market moving on Friday, the people who paid $ 100.000 a month fee to have the direct line to his toilet of a social network get to place shorts and puts ahead of time and the same will happen on Monday/Tuesday so they can do it again.
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