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On September 04 2026 23:43 LightSpectra wrote:Trump tells Fed to slash rates or he’ll end trade with countries with U.S. surpluses: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/09/04/trump-fed-rates-jobs-trade.htmlSo he's threatening to end all trade with China, Canada, Mexico, the EU, Japan, South Korea, and numerous other countries. Economic equivalent of threatening to launch nukes. When is enough insanity enough? "I've shot myself in the foot, and unless you do what I say I will shoot myself in the knee".
Yeah... good luck with that.
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On September 05 2026 00:53 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2026 23:43 LightSpectra wrote:Trump tells Fed to slash rates or he’ll end trade with countries with U.S. surpluses: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/09/04/trump-fed-rates-jobs-trade.htmlSo he's threatening to end all trade with China, Canada, Mexico, the EU, Japan, South Korea, and numerous other countries. Economic equivalent of threatening to launch nukes. When is enough insanity enough? "I've shot myself in the foot, and unless you do what I say I will shoot myself in the knee". Yeah... good luck with that.
Also, isn't threatening your own federal bank really, really weird? I don't think that that is how normal sane countries operate?
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On September 04 2026 23:43 LightSpectra wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Trump tells Fed to slash rates or he’ll end trade with countries with U.S. surpluses: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/09/04/trump-fed-rates-jobs-trade.htmlSo he's threatening to end all trade with China, Canada, Mexico, the EU, Japan, South Korea, and numerous other countries. Economic equivalent of threatening to launch nukes. When is enough insanity enough?
That's what I've been wondering.
I don't even know how Trump could interfere with the elections enough to make people not accept the outcome. Like if he disenfranchises millions with his bullshit mail-in voting rules and Democrats lose because of it, will they just accept that?
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Making a deal with the USA, even a bad one or worse than you had before is better than not having one. This is why countries like Canada went through this process before. It was better politically to do so because your economy didn’t take a hit.
But now the calculus has changed. Trump insulting everyone and being so fundamentally wrong with basic economics has created a situation where even our furthest right won’t accept anything but a win from our leaders and we are willing to suffer a little to do it. We know he has no determination and can see him falling apart. Our leaders are simply using the fight with him to up their own standing and are going to wait it out or win. And they are not going to get punished politically because that is what people across the spectrum want.
He is the most embarrassingly bad negotiator of all time and the myth is broken because he is making these public mistakes on repeat, over and over. Hell some of his most loyal influencers are even moving on. The bubble pretending Trump is some sort of impressive man is ever shrinking.
Like even if you don’t hate the guy imagine your strategy to change the news story about something terrible and awful you have done, by doing another terrible awful thing (Epstein list- Iran war to embarrassing “trade war”). And his blaming Biden is getting harder and harder and harder for even the most rabbit holed people to believe. Especially when you control everything including the courts.
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On September 04 2026 18:19 Geiko wrote:
I know I might be in the minority here, but demanding people call you a certain way that's not she/her or he/him is extremely bizarre to me. Might be an american thing.
Don't get me wrong if you are transgender ftm or mtf I'll gladly call you by your preferred pronouns, but I'm not using pronouns that don't exist.
Might be a bit different here in that "they/them" are real pronouns just used for plural forms usually whereas in switzerland/france, the equivalent "iel" is completely made up.
Not to drag the convo back to this but just wanted to add that discomfort is part of it. It's a change and "for no reason" (for people other than yourself), so you can expect it to be a bit uncomfortable. I've been getting bludgeoned about the concepts since I was a teen thanks to progressive people in my social circles, and now as an adult know enough gender-nonconforming people for it to 'make sense', but yeah I can relate to the discomfort.
I mean I can't relate to the discomfort of coming from a gendered language where someone could ostensibly declare different pronouns for their table, but...
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On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why?
This is the first I’ve heard of GH being non-binary but it’s like the most on brand thing they could be insisting upon. There’s this pale white girl I know in a straight marriage who lets everyone know that they’re Hispanic, bi, non-binary, self diagnosed neurodiverse, and, naturally, a revolutionary socialist.
I haven’t seen them in a while so they’re probably part native by now. It's "Common People" syndrome, people who treat struggle as a costume and it rubs basically everyone the wrong way.
Gender is a social construct. The community decide some things are male coded and other things are female coded, and it’s extremely arbitrary. Teachers went from male to female in living memory for example. High heels and long hair are other notable examples. Nobody anywhere is binary, it’s an absurd idea, they’d have to fully personify every aspect of a living, shifting, social construct. Every single person looks at these made up ideas of what it means to be male and female and thinks “well neither of those wholly describes who I am as a person, I identify strongly with parts of both of them”. We’re all non binary, sex may be a mostly binary affair but gender certainly isn’t.
Someone who is trans has to do a shitload of work. It’s an awful lot of work, there’s countless doctors appointments, meds, biological changes, surgery, bureaucracy, not to mention all of the social pushback and discrimination they have to face. It’s an extremely hostile world for trans people, much like actual revolutionaries in that sense. They’re both fighting against a hostile society.
GH pretends to be a revolutionary online because it’s part of their broad terminally online tumblr persona where they pretend to pass all these purity tests their masturbatory incestuous friend group make up for themselves. So of course they’re non binary, it’s trans for people who don’t want to actually do anything.
So strong. So brave.
For what it’s worth I’m non binary too, but I use he/him/his because it’s not a big deal. I also wouldn't stoop to pretending that I'm being discriminated against over pronouns to try and win points in an argument I'm imagining that I'm having online. That would be incredibly disrespectful to my trans brothers and sisters who deal with actual discrimination every day. They're out there having their literal identities erased by people in positions of authority over them in the real world. Trying to hijack the violence they face for my own use to win online arguments would be pretty fucking disgusting and, basically, I'm better than that.
Also I’m also a revolutionary socialist.
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I really hope James Talarico is the real deal. He seems like it from the bit I’ve read and he is running such a positive campaign. Texas is absolutely fucked if they vote Ken Paxton he might be the objectively worst candidate in the US (pardoned admitted pedo, impeached for corruption by his own party, so on).
Will be one worth watching. Seems like a big chance to make a difference.
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On September 05 2026 06:40 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 08:18 KwarK wrote:
lol I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why? This is the first I’ve heard of GH being non-binary but it’s like the most on brand thing they could be insisting upon. There’s this pale white girl I know in a straight marriage who lets everyone know that they’re Hispanic, bi, non-binary, self diagnosed neurodiverse, and, naturally, a revolutionary socialist. I haven’t seen them in a while so they’re probably part native by now. It's "Common People" syndrome, people who treat struggle as a costume and it rubs basically everyone the wrong way. Gender is a social construct. The community decide some things are male coded and other things are female coded, and it’s extremely arbitrary. Teachers went from male to female in living memory for example. High heels and long hair are other notable examples. Nobody anywhere is binary, it’s an absurd idea, they’d have to fully personify every aspect of a living, shifting, social construct. Every single person looks at these made up ideas of what it means to be male and female and thinks “well neither of those wholly describes who I am as a person, I identify strongly with parts of both of them”. We’re all non binary, sex may be a mostly binary affair but gender certainly isn’t. Someone who is trans has to do a shitload of work. It’s an awful lot of work, there’s countless doctors appointments, meds, biological changes, surgery, bureaucracy, not to mention all of the social pushback and discrimination they have to face. It’s an extremely hostile world for trans people, much like actual revolutionaries in that sense. They’re both fighting against a hostile society. GH pretends to be a revolutionary online because it’s part of their broad terminally online tumblr persona where they pretend to pass all these purity tests their masturbatory incestuous friend group make up for themselves. So of course they’re non binary, it’s trans for people who don’t want to actually do anything. So strong. So brave. For what it’s worth I’m non binary too, but I use he/him/his because it’s not a big deal. I also wouldn't stoop to pretending that I'm being discriminated against over pronouns to try and win points in an argument I'm imagining that I'm having online. That would be incredibly disrespectful to my trans brothers and sisters who face against discrimination every day. They're out there having their literal identities erased by people in positions of authority over them in the real world. Trying to hijack the violence they face for my own use to win online arguments would be pretty fucking disgusting and, basically, I'm better than that. Also I’m also a revolutionary socialist.
Here’s how it happened.
GH was mostly being ignored because people were talking about trans in women’s sports and his original view was that is distraction for capitalism blah blah. And his first go got no bites.
On July 01 2026 01:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
I was at pride this weekend and I have to say I've never seen such definitive evidence that gender is a spectrum. It was honestly mindblowing to see such variation in expression.
Humans are so much more amazing than our current society wants us be for the sake of "profit" (read: exploiting people to death).
People kept mostly ignoring GH until GH decided to personally insult wombat for helping with female StarCraft and everyone being awful for not seeing how bad that was. GH still got none of the traction he wanted and just was very unpleasant to most, some who were unpleasant back. Answered no straight forward questions on why it was bad because of GHs obsession with failing at Freire technique that gh has no idea how to use but read a headline about.
On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 04:10 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 05 2026 04:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Does the term "female identifying" in an attempt to include trans women genuinely not immediately stand out to you as problematic for obvious reasons? No one (besides DPB who I'm hoping will elaborate)? I get stuck on : Did anyone ask you for your allyship on this issue, or are you just making it a trumpet you can blow to tout your own virtues? If noone asked you, that's not you being an ally, that's you being vanglorious. I'm certain that, if confronted with the issue by someone impacted by the issue, TL would happily reassess its stance on referring to them as "Female tournaments" because why wouldn't they. I haven't noticed SC2 tournaments being labelled "co-ed tournaments" despite being co-ed though I'm sure again if presented with a legitimate grievance TL would assess their stance. I'm of the belief we're all impacted by the issues. But I basically see gender as a spectrum and don't personally subscribe to binary gender constructs (though they frequently come up in communication). I'm more of a queer peer than an ally in that way. Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now?
Finally the big reveal, to “win” GHs argument that calling it female StarCraft in liquipedia was a big problem (remember this was days after claiming the trans in women sports was a distraction, but of course liquipedia titles are massive so worth the pages).
On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, cis-women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s EDIT: Is Artesimo the only person that wants to keep them as "female tournaments" (unless/until I meet their demands), if so, can we fix that now?
Most if not everyone tried to use the they, after and in spite of the rather dubious reveal, even though I’m not sure if GH has specifically requested any specific pronouns.
The funniest part, which you absolutely nail in your post, is everyone during it was like. I don’t see the big deal but go and change it, liquipedia is openly looking for volunteers. And GH of course wouldn’t, but kept asking others to do it.
Being a socialist revolutionary is very important to GH, unless it’s mildly inconvenient or takes any sort of effort. Always remember the important part for GH is shitting on others, doing stuff is hard (or in this case, pretty damn easy but not as fun as shitting on people I guess?)
The update on the story is in spite of the this being such an important issue for all and personal to GH. Despite people explaining how GH could enact the change, it is unchanged.
Personally, I think GH is as helpful for the community as GH is for making socialism actually happen or the US a better place for all people. A massive negative that just give good ammo to other side about it being performative and attention seeking.
That being said I try not to use male pronouns (likely imperfectly) not out of respect for GH, but in case someone here is reading this and it is important to them for whatever reason they have. They are welcome to keep it to themselves or share it, no judgement.
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That is very funny. My instant reaction from knowing GH’s shtick was to immediately write it off as performative GH identity bullshit where they made it up to be the centre of attention. But it turns out that by their own description, no, they literally were at pride and were upset about not being the centre of attention and then became non-binary right in the middle of a discussion about women which they then took over on behalf of all discriminated against people.
It’s too perfect. They’re substantially more GH than even my imagined joke of a GH. They tried desperately to be offended by my initial response of “lol” but if anything I wasn’t dismissive enough. Not because I don’t care about trans issues but because GH wanting to win online arguments isn’t actually a trans issue, even though they can’t imagine anything more critical to the struggle.
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On September 05 2026 06:40 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 08:18 KwarK wrote:
lol I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why? This is the first I’ve heard of GH being non-binary but it’s like the most on brand thing they could be insisting upon. There’s this pale white girl I know in a straight marriage who lets everyone know that they’re Hispanic, bi, non-binary, self diagnosed neurodiverse, and, naturally, a revolutionary socialist. I haven’t seen them in a while so they’re probably part native by now. It's "Common People" syndrome, people who treat struggle as a costume and it rubs basically everyone the wrong way. Gender is a social construct. The community decide some things are male coded and other things are female coded, and it’s extremely arbitrary. Teachers went from male to female in living memory for example. High heels and long hair are other notable examples. Nobody anywhere is binary, it’s an absurd idea, they’d have to fully personify every aspect of a living, shifting, social construct. Every single person looks at these made up ideas of what it means to be male and female and thinks “well neither of those wholly describes who I am as a person, I identify strongly with parts of both of them”. We’re all non binary, sex may be a mostly binary affair but gender certainly isn’t. Someone who is trans has to do a shitload of work. It’s an awful lot of work, there’s countless doctors appointments, meds, biological changes, surgery, bureaucracy, not to mention all of the social pushback and discrimination they have to face. It’s an extremely hostile world for trans people, much like actual revolutionaries in that sense. They’re both fighting against a hostile society. GH pretends to be a revolutionary online because it’s part of their broad terminally online tumblr persona where they pretend to pass all these purity tests their masturbatory incestuous friend group make up for themselves. So of course they’re non binary, it’s trans for people who don’t want to actually do anything. So strong. So brave. For what it’s worth I’m non binary too, but I use he/him/his because it’s not a big deal. I also wouldn't stoop to pretending that I'm being discriminated against over pronouns to try and win points in an argument I'm imagining that I'm having online. That would be incredibly disrespectful to my trans brothers and sisters who deal with actual discrimination every day. They're out there having their literal identities erased by people in positions of authority over them in the real world. Trying to hijack the violence they face for my own use to win online arguments would be pretty fucking disgusting and, basically, I'm better than that. Also I’m also a revolutionary socialist.
Tell us how you really feel!
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On September 05 2026 07:49 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2026 06:40 KwarK wrote:On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 08:18 KwarK wrote:
lol I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why? This is the first I’ve heard of GH being non-binary but it’s like the most on brand thing they could be insisting upon. There’s this pale white girl I know in a straight marriage who lets everyone know that they’re Hispanic, bi, non-binary, self diagnosed neurodiverse, and, naturally, a revolutionary socialist. I haven’t seen them in a while so they’re probably part native by now. It's "Common People" syndrome, people who treat struggle as a costume and it rubs basically everyone the wrong way. Gender is a social construct. The community decide some things are male coded and other things are female coded, and it’s extremely arbitrary. Teachers went from male to female in living memory for example. High heels and long hair are other notable examples. Nobody anywhere is binary, it’s an absurd idea, they’d have to fully personify every aspect of a living, shifting, social construct. Every single person looks at these made up ideas of what it means to be male and female and thinks “well neither of those wholly describes who I am as a person, I identify strongly with parts of both of them”. We’re all non binary, sex may be a mostly binary affair but gender certainly isn’t. Someone who is trans has to do a shitload of work. It’s an awful lot of work, there’s countless doctors appointments, meds, biological changes, surgery, bureaucracy, not to mention all of the social pushback and discrimination they have to face. It’s an extremely hostile world for trans people, much like actual revolutionaries in that sense. They’re both fighting against a hostile society. GH pretends to be a revolutionary online because it’s part of their broad terminally online tumblr persona where they pretend to pass all these purity tests their masturbatory incestuous friend group make up for themselves. So of course they’re non binary, it’s trans for people who don’t want to actually do anything. So strong. So brave. For what it’s worth I’m non binary too, but I use he/him/his because it’s not a big deal. I also wouldn't stoop to pretending that I'm being discriminated against over pronouns to try and win points in an argument I'm imagining that I'm having online. That would be incredibly disrespectful to my trans brothers and sisters who face against discrimination every day. They're out there having their literal identities erased by people in positions of authority over them in the real world. Trying to hijack the violence they face for my own use to win online arguments would be pretty fucking disgusting and, basically, I'm better than that. Also I’m also a revolutionary socialist. Here’s how it happened. GH was mostly being ignored because people were talking about trans in women’s sports and his original view was that is distraction for capitalism blah blah. And his first go got no bites. Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
I was at pride this weekend and I have to say I've never seen such definitive evidence that gender is a spectrum. It was honestly mindblowing to see such variation in expression.
Humans are so much more amazing than our current society wants us be for the sake of "profit" (read: exploiting people to death). People kept mostly ignoring GH until GH decided to personally insult wombat for helping with female StarCraft and everyone being awful for not seeing how bad that was. GH still got none of the traction he wanted and just was very unpleasant to most, some who were unpleasant back. Answered no straight forward questions on why it was bad because of GHs obsession with failing at Freire technique that gh has no idea how to use but read a headline about. Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 04:10 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 05 2026 04:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Does the term "female identifying" in an attempt to include trans women genuinely not immediately stand out to you as problematic for obvious reasons? No one (besides DPB who I'm hoping will elaborate)? I get stuck on : Did anyone ask you for your allyship on this issue, or are you just making it a trumpet you can blow to tout your own virtues? If noone asked you, that's not you being an ally, that's you being vanglorious. I'm certain that, if confronted with the issue by someone impacted by the issue, TL would happily reassess its stance on referring to them as "Female tournaments" because why wouldn't they. I haven't noticed SC2 tournaments being labelled "co-ed tournaments" despite being co-ed though I'm sure again if presented with a legitimate grievance TL would assess their stance. I'm of the belief we're all impacted by the issues. But I basically see gender as a spectrum and don't personally subscribe to binary gender constructs (though they frequently come up in communication). I'm more of a queer peer than an ally in that way. Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? Finally the big reveal, to “win” GHs argument that calling it female StarCraft in liquipedia was a big problem (remember this was days after claiming the trans in women sports was a distraction, but of course liquipedia titles are massive so worth the pages). Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, cis-women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s EDIT: Is Artesimo the only person that wants to keep them as "female tournaments" (unless/until I meet their demands), if so, can we fix that now? Most if not everyone tried to use the they, after and in spite of the rather dubious reveal, even though I’m not sure if GH has specifically requested any specific pronouns. The funniest part, which you absolutely nail in your post, is everyone during it was like. I don’t see the big deal but go and change it, liquipedia is openly looking for volunteers. And GH of course wouldn’t, but kept asking others to do it. Being a socialist revolutionary is very important to GH, unless it’s mildly inconvenient or takes any sort of effort. Always remember the important part for GH is shitting on others, doing stuff is hard (or in this case, pretty damn easy but not as fun as shitting on people I guess?) The update on the story is in spite of the this being such an important issue for all and personal to GH. Despite people explaining how GH could enact the change, it is unchanged. Personally, I think GH is as helpful for the community as GH is for making socialism actually happen or the US a better place for all people. A massive negative that just give good ammo to other side about it being performative and attention seeking. That being said I try not to use male pronouns (likely imperfectly) not out of respect for GH, but in case someone here is reading this and it is important to them for whatever reason they have. They are welcome to keep it to themselves or share it, no judgement.
I mean you can’t fucking win.
The whole purpose of my anecdote was to illustrate I’d bloody learned and grown over the years after working on stuff and I still got shit on lmao
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On September 05 2026 08:06 KwarK wrote:
That is very funny. My instant reaction from knowing GH’s shtick was to immediately write it off as performative GH identity bullshit where they made it up to be the centre of attention. But it turns out that by their own description, no, they literally were at pride and were upset about not being the centre of attention and then became non-binary right in the middle of a discussion about women which they then took over on behalf of all discriminated against people.
It’s too perfect. They’re substantially more GH than even my imagined joke of a GH. They tried desperately to be offended by my initial response of “lol” but if anything I wasn’t dismissive enough. Not because I don’t care about trans issues but because GH wanting to win online arguments isn’t actually a trans issue, even though they can’t imagine anything more critical to the struggle.
It is a chefs kiss timeline for those of us who always knew what GH was and took abuse for it.
I’d actually respect him more at this point and came clean and was like, ya I was just young and dumb and wanted attention. But it’s strange to be still pulling the same crap. Especially in such a small unchanging community.
It is also strange but karmic that had GH remained permabanned the GH myth would still exist. It’s too bad all those he chased away were not back to see it.
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On September 05 2026 09:03 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2026 07:49 Billyboy wrote:On September 05 2026 06:40 KwarK wrote:On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 08:18 KwarK wrote:
lol I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why? This is the first I’ve heard of GH being non-binary but it’s like the most on brand thing they could be insisting upon. There’s this pale white girl I know in a straight marriage who lets everyone know that they’re Hispanic, bi, non-binary, self diagnosed neurodiverse, and, naturally, a revolutionary socialist. I haven’t seen them in a while so they’re probably part native by now. It's "Common People" syndrome, people who treat struggle as a costume and it rubs basically everyone the wrong way. Gender is a social construct. The community decide some things are male coded and other things are female coded, and it’s extremely arbitrary. Teachers went from male to female in living memory for example. High heels and long hair are other notable examples. Nobody anywhere is binary, it’s an absurd idea, they’d have to fully personify every aspect of a living, shifting, social construct. Every single person looks at these made up ideas of what it means to be male and female and thinks “well neither of those wholly describes who I am as a person, I identify strongly with parts of both of them”. We’re all non binary, sex may be a mostly binary affair but gender certainly isn’t. Someone who is trans has to do a shitload of work. It’s an awful lot of work, there’s countless doctors appointments, meds, biological changes, surgery, bureaucracy, not to mention all of the social pushback and discrimination they have to face. It’s an extremely hostile world for trans people, much like actual revolutionaries in that sense. They’re both fighting against a hostile society. GH pretends to be a revolutionary online because it’s part of their broad terminally online tumblr persona where they pretend to pass all these purity tests their masturbatory incestuous friend group make up for themselves. So of course they’re non binary, it’s trans for people who don’t want to actually do anything. So strong. So brave. For what it’s worth I’m non binary too, but I use he/him/his because it’s not a big deal. I also wouldn't stoop to pretending that I'm being discriminated against over pronouns to try and win points in an argument I'm imagining that I'm having online. That would be incredibly disrespectful to my trans brothers and sisters who face against discrimination every day. They're out there having their literal identities erased by people in positions of authority over them in the real world. Trying to hijack the violence they face for my own use to win online arguments would be pretty fucking disgusting and, basically, I'm better than that. Also I’m also a revolutionary socialist. Here’s how it happened. GH was mostly being ignored because people were talking about trans in women’s sports and his original view was that is distraction for capitalism blah blah. And his first go got no bites. On July 01 2026 01:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
I was at pride this weekend and I have to say I've never seen such definitive evidence that gender is a spectrum. It was honestly mindblowing to see such variation in expression.
Humans are so much more amazing than our current society wants us be for the sake of "profit" (read: exploiting people to death). People kept mostly ignoring GH until GH decided to personally insult wombat for helping with female StarCraft and everyone being awful for not seeing how bad that was. GH still got none of the traction he wanted and just was very unpleasant to most, some who were unpleasant back. Answered no straight forward questions on why it was bad because of GHs obsession with failing at Freire technique that gh has no idea how to use but read a headline about. On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 04:10 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 05 2026 04:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Does the term "female identifying" in an attempt to include trans women genuinely not immediately stand out to you as problematic for obvious reasons? No one (besides DPB who I'm hoping will elaborate)? I get stuck on : Did anyone ask you for your allyship on this issue, or are you just making it a trumpet you can blow to tout your own virtues? If noone asked you, that's not you being an ally, that's you being vanglorious. I'm certain that, if confronted with the issue by someone impacted by the issue, TL would happily reassess its stance on referring to them as "Female tournaments" because why wouldn't they. I haven't noticed SC2 tournaments being labelled "co-ed tournaments" despite being co-ed though I'm sure again if presented with a legitimate grievance TL would assess their stance. I'm of the belief we're all impacted by the issues. But I basically see gender as a spectrum and don't personally subscribe to binary gender constructs (though they frequently come up in communication). I'm more of a queer peer than an ally in that way. Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? Finally the big reveal, to “win” GHs argument that calling it female StarCraft in liquipedia was a big problem (remember this was days after claiming the trans in women sports was a distraction, but of course liquipedia titles are massive so worth the pages). On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, cis-women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s EDIT: Is Artesimo the only person that wants to keep them as "female tournaments" (unless/until I meet their demands), if so, can we fix that now? Most if not everyone tried to use the they, after and in spite of the rather dubious reveal, even though I’m not sure if GH has specifically requested any specific pronouns. The funniest part, which you absolutely nail in your post, is everyone during it was like. I don’t see the big deal but go and change it, liquipedia is openly looking for volunteers. And GH of course wouldn’t, but kept asking others to do it. Being a socialist revolutionary is very important to GH, unless it’s mildly inconvenient or takes any sort of effort. Always remember the important part for GH is shitting on others, doing stuff is hard (or in this case, pretty damn easy but not as fun as shitting on people I guess?) The update on the story is in spite of the this being such an important issue for all and personal to GH. Despite people explaining how GH could enact the change, it is unchanged. Personally, I think GH is as helpful for the community as GH is for making socialism actually happen or the US a better place for all people. A massive negative that just give good ammo to other side about it being performative and attention seeking. That being said I try not to use male pronouns (likely imperfectly) not out of respect for GH, but in case someone here is reading this and it is important to them for whatever reason they have. They are welcome to keep it to themselves or share it, no judgement. I mean you can’t fucking win. The whole purpose of my anecdote was to illustrate I’d bloody learned and grown over the years after working on stuff and I still got shit on lmao
It gave you the final straw you needed to see Gh for what GH is. But ya, shitty behaviour. And also, people from all sides and those you don’t even like stood up for you, which had to also feel good.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On September 05 2026 09:06 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2026 08:06 KwarK wrote:
That is very funny. My instant reaction from knowing GH’s shtick was to immediately write it off as performative GH identity bullshit where they made it up to be the centre of attention. But it turns out that by their own description, no, they literally were at pride and were upset about not being the centre of attention and then became non-binary right in the middle of a discussion about women which they then took over on behalf of all discriminated against people.
It’s too perfect. They’re substantially more GH than even my imagined joke of a GH. They tried desperately to be offended by my initial response of “lol” but if anything I wasn’t dismissive enough. Not because I don’t care about trans issues but because GH wanting to win online arguments isn’t actually a trans issue, even though they can’t imagine anything more critical to the struggle. It is a chefs kiss timeline for those of us who always knew what GH was and took abuse for it. I’d actually respect him more at this point and came clean and was like, ya I was just young and dumb and wanted attention. But it’s strange to be still pulling the same crap. Especially in such a small unchanging community. It is also strange but karmic that had GH remained permabanned the GH myth would still exist. It’s too bad all those he chased away were not back to see it.
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United States44398 Posts
On September 05 2026 08:59 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2026 06:40 KwarK wrote:On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 08:18 KwarK wrote:
lol I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why? This is the first I’ve heard of GH being non-binary but it’s like the most on brand thing they could be insisting upon. There’s this pale white girl I know in a straight marriage who lets everyone know that they’re Hispanic, bi, non-binary, self diagnosed neurodiverse, and, naturally, a revolutionary socialist. I haven’t seen them in a while so they’re probably part native by now. It's "Common People" syndrome, people who treat struggle as a costume and it rubs basically everyone the wrong way. Gender is a social construct. The community decide some things are male coded and other things are female coded, and it’s extremely arbitrary. Teachers went from male to female in living memory for example. High heels and long hair are other notable examples. Nobody anywhere is binary, it’s an absurd idea, they’d have to fully personify every aspect of a living, shifting, social construct. Every single person looks at these made up ideas of what it means to be male and female and thinks “well neither of those wholly describes who I am as a person, I identify strongly with parts of both of them”. We’re all non binary, sex may be a mostly binary affair but gender certainly isn’t. Someone who is trans has to do a shitload of work. It’s an awful lot of work, there’s countless doctors appointments, meds, biological changes, surgery, bureaucracy, not to mention all of the social pushback and discrimination they have to face. It’s an extremely hostile world for trans people, much like actual revolutionaries in that sense. They’re both fighting against a hostile society. GH pretends to be a revolutionary online because it’s part of their broad terminally online tumblr persona where they pretend to pass all these purity tests their masturbatory incestuous friend group make up for themselves. So of course they’re non binary, it’s trans for people who don’t want to actually do anything. So strong. So brave. For what it’s worth I’m non binary too, but I use he/him/his because it’s not a big deal. I also wouldn't stoop to pretending that I'm being discriminated against over pronouns to try and win points in an argument I'm imagining that I'm having online. That would be incredibly disrespectful to my trans brothers and sisters who deal with actual discrimination every day. They're out there having their literal identities erased by people in positions of authority over them in the real world. Trying to hijack the violence they face for my own use to win online arguments would be pretty fucking disgusting and, basically, I'm better than that. Also I’m also a revolutionary socialist. Tell us how you really feel!
I mean it's shameful. You wouldn't consider blacking up with some shoe polish to hijack a civil rights march and yet GH feels absolutely no shame about coming out as they/them when they wants to take over a discussion relating to women. Actual trans women don't feel the compunction to speak as authorities on the female experience, they can speak to their own experience as trans women but they know that their lived experience is different to that cis women experience. But GH just can't resist it. They've yet to hear of a discrimination they didn't want to own.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On September 05 2026 09:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2026 08:59 WombaT wrote:On September 05 2026 06:40 KwarK wrote:On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 08:18 KwarK wrote:
lol I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why? This is the first I’ve heard of GH being non-binary but it’s like the most on brand thing they could be insisting upon. There’s this pale white girl I know in a straight marriage who lets everyone know that they’re Hispanic, bi, non-binary, self diagnosed neurodiverse, and, naturally, a revolutionary socialist. I haven’t seen them in a while so they’re probably part native by now. It's "Common People" syndrome, people who treat struggle as a costume and it rubs basically everyone the wrong way. Gender is a social construct. The community decide some things are male coded and other things are female coded, and it’s extremely arbitrary. Teachers went from male to female in living memory for example. High heels and long hair are other notable examples. Nobody anywhere is binary, it’s an absurd idea, they’d have to fully personify every aspect of a living, shifting, social construct. Every single person looks at these made up ideas of what it means to be male and female and thinks “well neither of those wholly describes who I am as a person, I identify strongly with parts of both of them”. We’re all non binary, sex may be a mostly binary affair but gender certainly isn’t. Someone who is trans has to do a shitload of work. It’s an awful lot of work, there’s countless doctors appointments, meds, biological changes, surgery, bureaucracy, not to mention all of the social pushback and discrimination they have to face. It’s an extremely hostile world for trans people, much like actual revolutionaries in that sense. They’re both fighting against a hostile society. GH pretends to be a revolutionary online because it’s part of their broad terminally online tumblr persona where they pretend to pass all these purity tests their masturbatory incestuous friend group make up for themselves. So of course they’re non binary, it’s trans for people who don’t want to actually do anything. So strong. So brave. For what it’s worth I’m non binary too, but I use he/him/his because it’s not a big deal. I also wouldn't stoop to pretending that I'm being discriminated against over pronouns to try and win points in an argument I'm imagining that I'm having online. That would be incredibly disrespectful to my trans brothers and sisters who deal with actual discrimination every day. They're out there having their literal identities erased by people in positions of authority over them in the real world. Trying to hijack the violence they face for my own use to win online arguments would be pretty fucking disgusting and, basically, I'm better than that. Also I’m also a revolutionary socialist. Tell us how you really feel! I mean it's shameful. You wouldn't consider blacking up with some shoe polish to hijack a civil rights march and yet GH feels absolutely no shame about coming out as they/them when he wants to take over a discussion relating to women. Actual trans women don't feel the compunction to speak as authorities on the female experience, they can speak to their own experience as trans women but they know that their lived experience is different to that cis women experience. But GH just can't resist it. They've yet to hear of a discrimination they didn't want to own.
I mean I don’t know, if someone requests it I’ll oblige and be respectful of those wishes
The only functional difference is I’ll be saying ‘they’re talking shite’ rather than ‘he’s talking shite’, which isn’t a huge adjustment to make
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United States44398 Posts
On September 05 2026 09:46 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2026 09:12 KwarK wrote:On September 05 2026 08:59 WombaT wrote:On September 05 2026 06:40 KwarK wrote:On September 04 2026 09:31 Fleetfeet wrote:On September 04 2026 08:18 KwarK wrote:
lol I don't get the joke tbh. It feels like an exceptionally low bar to clear (respecting pronouns). I assume there's a bigger GH vs Kwark battle going on in your head that makes "Hey yeah I fucked up, I've mentally held GH as 'he/him' in my head for 8 years, flipping that to they/them is gonna take a minute. My bad." too much of a concession, but like... why? This is the first I’ve heard of GH being non-binary but it’s like the most on brand thing they could be insisting upon. There’s this pale white girl I know in a straight marriage who lets everyone know that they’re Hispanic, bi, non-binary, self diagnosed neurodiverse, and, naturally, a revolutionary socialist. I haven’t seen them in a while so they’re probably part native by now. It's "Common People" syndrome, people who treat struggle as a costume and it rubs basically everyone the wrong way. Gender is a social construct. The community decide some things are male coded and other things are female coded, and it’s extremely arbitrary. Teachers went from male to female in living memory for example. High heels and long hair are other notable examples. Nobody anywhere is binary, it’s an absurd idea, they’d have to fully personify every aspect of a living, shifting, social construct. Every single person looks at these made up ideas of what it means to be male and female and thinks “well neither of those wholly describes who I am as a person, I identify strongly with parts of both of them”. We’re all non binary, sex may be a mostly binary affair but gender certainly isn’t. Someone who is trans has to do a shitload of work. It’s an awful lot of work, there’s countless doctors appointments, meds, biological changes, surgery, bureaucracy, not to mention all of the social pushback and discrimination they have to face. It’s an extremely hostile world for trans people, much like actual revolutionaries in that sense. They’re both fighting against a hostile society. GH pretends to be a revolutionary online because it’s part of their broad terminally online tumblr persona where they pretend to pass all these purity tests their masturbatory incestuous friend group make up for themselves. So of course they’re non binary, it’s trans for people who don’t want to actually do anything. So strong. So brave. For what it’s worth I’m non binary too, but I use he/him/his because it’s not a big deal. I also wouldn't stoop to pretending that I'm being discriminated against over pronouns to try and win points in an argument I'm imagining that I'm having online. That would be incredibly disrespectful to my trans brothers and sisters who deal with actual discrimination every day. They're out there having their literal identities erased by people in positions of authority over them in the real world. Trying to hijack the violence they face for my own use to win online arguments would be pretty fucking disgusting and, basically, I'm better than that. Also I’m also a revolutionary socialist. Tell us how you really feel! I mean it's shameful. You wouldn't consider blacking up with some shoe polish to hijack a civil rights march and yet GH feels absolutely no shame about coming out as they/them when he wants to take over a discussion relating to women. Actual trans women don't feel the compunction to speak as authorities on the female experience, they can speak to their own experience as trans women but they know that their lived experience is different to that cis women experience. But GH just can't resist it. They've yet to hear of a discrimination they didn't want to own. I mean I don’t know, if someone requests it I’ll oblige and be respectful of those wishes The only functional difference is I’ll be saying ‘they’re talking shite’ rather than ‘he’s talking shite’, which isn’t a huge adjustment to make
Sure, just as you would make the adjustment if someone prefers Jim to James. But if Jim decided that they were now an authority on trans issues because they also deal with people using their name as it appears on their documents you’d tell Jim to fuck right off. It’s simply not the same thing.
The difference between the trans identity and the non binary identity is the same as the difference between a seeing eye dog that takes years of training and costs tens of thousands of dollars and an emotional support animal with zero training and a certificate printed at home. And GH is the gender nonspecific guy who would bring that untrained dog into a restaurant, obliviously making life harder for people with service animals.
There’s not a person born who wouldn’t qualify for non-binary if they wanted to because gender just isn’t binary. Nobody can agree on what the roles and expectations are for genders even within a single culture and there are countless cultures with differing standards. It’s not possible for someone to conform to a single gender identity when we can’t define one.
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This is going way off-topic but I would like to watch GH and JJR locked in an argument.
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On September 05 2026 11:58 TropicalHaze wrote:
This is going way off-topic but I would like to watch GH and JJR locked in an argument.
I can't imagine what the topic would be, since GH prefers to repeatedly focus on the same few topics, whereas JJR has the most unpredictable track record of random thoughts and comments possible. I'm not sure where the two of them would naturally overlap, unless there's a socialist wrestler committing a Canadian genocide.
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On September 05 2026 12:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2026 11:58 TropicalHaze wrote:
This is going way off-topic but I would like to watch GH and JJR locked in an argument. I can't imagine what the topic would be, since GH prefers to repeatedly focus on the same few topics, whereas JJR has the most unpredictable track record of random thoughts and comments possible. I'm not sure where the two of them would naturally overlap, unless there's a socialist wrestler committing a Canadian genocide.
JJR's posts are easy.
Remember the 1980s? That was better then, wasn't it.
That's like 98% of them.
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