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Simberto
Germany11752 Posts
On September 16 2019 18:45 Jockmcplop wrote: What would be your preferred method of 'preserving european culture'? Also, while you're here, what on Earth is 'european culture'? Having lighter skin while not being slavic is one of the primary aspects of european culture from my understanding. Not being muslim is probably the other. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9771 Posts
I would argue that there is no such thing. That the aspects of culture that identitarians want to protect are both cherrypicked to the point of meaninglessness and contradictory to objective facts about the history of the people who today would be called European. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22102 Posts
On September 16 2019 18:29 fefil wrote: Ah the failed logic of the right, that the left is in favor of everything involving minorities/non-whites.Imagine that the movement was about preserving african culture instead of european. there, now you should agree with it =) Preserving culture isn't something you need a political movement for, you can do that in your own home. But inevitably it goes into preserving territory, by means of keeping others out. And there any reason for a conversation ends. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On September 16 2019 18:29 fefil wrote: I suppose it is typical of your mindset that you would suppose that anybody who would oppose your "politics" would support the same but for a different group as part of your victimhood conspiracy. We have seen all this before. We have seen the exact same thing from another poster.Imagine that the movement was about preserving african culture instead of european. there, now you should agree with it =) | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7982 Posts
On September 16 2019 18:29 fefil wrote: Imagine that the movement was about preserving african culture instead of european. there, now you should agree with it =) Yeah nazis also said they only cared about preserving german culture and also giving german people the necessary lebensraum it needed. You know, to preserve itself. I’ve been enough on twitter reading and talking to those « identitarians » and have seen enough of their actions in France to know they are just a bunch of fucking fascists disguising racial supremacy under « self defense » and « preservation » specious arguments. The least we have that on TL, the better. And if you want to preserve european culture, make a donation to support the symphony orchestra of your city or your local library, or bring kids to museums and exhibition (going there yourself doesn’t hurt either). Paramilitary expeditions to throw back black people to the mediteranean so they can drown is not « preserving european culture ». It’s being a nazi. | ||
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farvacola
United States18854 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
On September 16 2019 18:47 Simberto wrote: Having lighter skin while not being slavic is one of the primary aspects of european culture from my understanding. Not being muslim is probably the other. We are not part of Europe again??  | ||
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Excludos
Norway8233 Posts
Don't worry. With these ideologies you'll soon be. Btw, on a completely unrelated note: How well do you speak German? | ||
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farvacola
United States18854 Posts
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Vivax
22191 Posts
On September 16 2019 20:02 Biff The Understudy wrote: Yeah nazis also said they only cared about preserving german culture and also giving german people the necessary lebensraum it needed. You know, to preserve itself. I’ve been enough on twitter reading and talking to those « identitarians » and have seen enough of their actions in France to know they are just a bunch of fucking fascists disguising racial supremacy under « self defense » and « preservation » specious arguments. The least we have that on TL, the better. And if you want to preserve european culture, make a donation to support the symphony orchestra of your city or your local library, or bring kids to museums and exhibition (going there yourself doesn’t hurt either). Paramilitary expeditions to throw back black people to the mediteranean so they can drown is not « preserving european culture ». It’s being a nazi. I agree. These guys think they're some kind of cultural saviour, but I have yet to see what kind of values they uphold besides "off the norm and from another country=bad". It's mostly a fascistoid group, not a bunch of diehard christians. A few years ago I read the Breivik manifesto out of curiosity (if you're interested in the psychology of these guys it's a very interesting read if you don't mind being put on a watchlist probably lol) , and in case you didn't, let me tell you that it is actually a glimpse of what these guys can do in their "crusades" as he called them. He is clearly a very smart man, although you notice in the later pages that his sanity seems to slip off. He is, however, first and foremost a right-wing extremist that started spreading exactly their agenda before these parties even existed, making him a forerunner. Point being, the initial parts read to me 1:1 like the identitarian agenda (arguing that the old Norwegian way of life is in danger and that Islam is on the rise in Europe with a mission of subterfuge etc.). And I wouldn't be surprised about connections between him or other violent extremists and these type of movements. Which is dangerous. Because if you sympathize with the movement, it won't take long for you to sympathize with people like him or the christchurch killer. All it needs is some crazies in the movement to show you the way there. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
On September 16 2019 22:00 Excludos wrote: Don't worry. With these ideologies you'll soon be. Btw, on a completely unrelated note: How well do you speak German? Soon i will finish A1 level, started learning this year. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On September 16 2019 22:03 farvacola wrote: Around 50k UAW members working at GM went on strike at midnight this morning, protesting the company’s use of temp workers, plant closures, and job security issues. Temp workers and H1B both need major reform. We don't need nearly the H1B we have in the tech industry and major companies use temp/contract workers as a way to cut costs. I'd love to see one of the candidates talk about what they will do to empower workers. I haven't heard much yet, if anything. | ||
KwarK
United States43598 Posts
I have a suspicion that Japanese companies don’t have these problems though. They’re the result of a bunch of misapplied lean and Kaizen nonsense trying to emulate Japan without looking at the business environment that makes it work. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23656 Posts
On September 16 2019 23:37 Mohdoo wrote: Temp workers and H1B both need major reform. We don't need nearly the H1B we have in the tech industry and major companies use temp/contract workers as a way to cut costs. I'd love to see one of the candidates talk about what they will do to empower workers. I haven't heard much yet, if anything. What does " We don't need nearly the H1B we have in the tech industry" mean? That more should be becoming citizens or is it a rehash of the typical Republican talking point? | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
The Democrats need to go on the attack with this. If Pelosi lets this one slide, I think it will severely harm the Democrats. The Republicans pointed to the FBI investigation as their justification for confirming Kavanaugh, and now it's turning out that the investigation basically didn't happen other than for a couple limited scope issues. | ||
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brian
United States9636 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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KwarK
United States43598 Posts
On September 17 2019 00:25 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The whole point of kaizen is that it is a collaborative process of every employee. I doubt GM is trying to emulate Japanese style lean manufacturing as the reason for temp workers. The temp workers are the result of a failure to achieve efficient and aligned manufacturing. If they didn’t try so hard to do something they couldn’t they wouldn’t need to exploit labourers to plug the gaps. Take a simple example like JIT inventory management. Trying that in a business environment where suppliers don’t have the required flexibility will inevitably lead to stockouts which need flexible labour to patch. It’s a theoretical model that doesn’t survive application. I look at some of the management philosophy stuff coming out of business schools and wonder why they’re trying so hard to reinvent the wheel, as if there wasn’t a reason things were done the way they’re currently done. The kind of flexibility the models need doesn’t exist in practice, or at least not in the business environments I’ve seen. You can’t scale up and scale down the human side as needed. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23656 Posts
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farvacola
United States18854 Posts
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