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On February 20 2019 09:22 Sermokala wrote:
I've heard those rumors about Klobuchar but everything I've ever heard about it just smacks of sexism or sour grapes about having a boss that gives a shit about their organization.
She has an exceptionally high turnover, which suggests that there's definitely a problem with her. From the main complaints about her, she's definitely a micromanager. Which are the absolute worst people to work for. But I have no doubt that there are a whole lot of other people in congress that run their offices in much the same way. Like you and I said, sexism is probably inflating the complaints about her but I think there's enough smoke to suggest that she's just kind of unpleasant to work for.
Which doesn't mean she isn't good at her job or not capable at what she does.
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On February 20 2019 09:16 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2019 08:29 JimmiC wrote:On February 20 2019 08:19 GoTuNk! wrote:On February 20 2019 08:13 farvacola wrote:
Trump won amidst rumors that there is a tape of him watching prostitutes pissing on a bed, among literally dozens of other marginally less outlandish claims. There's a reason why I said Beto would be fine, potential skeletons notwithstanding. In the age of gram 'em by the pussy, alt right shock jock press is gonna have to try harder. Trump is not from the party of "believe all woman always" and "SCOTUS pick is a rapist because of something someone claims happened 30 years ago with no evidence". And there is no video of Trump watching prostitutes pissing on a bed, unlike other old fellow singing on the soviet union. + Show Spoiler +From the other side I think Biden has the strongest chance of beating Trump, but I give him 1% chance of winning the primary so I'm fine with it. Beto is also a great candidate, but his moment is not now I think; I see him as a great democrat candidate for president in the future. Klobuchar is well known to treat their staffers like shit, rage at them, and make them do all her errands. There is ton of dirt on her to make public if she runs for either President or VP. Well known by whom? Please source. Buzzfeed has done an article or two about her being a micromanager. Which automatically makes her an awful person to work for but, as some staffers have noted a lot of the criticisms are likely inflated due to the belief that women that are hard taskmasters are power hungry bitches. But does it honestly matter. Basically every single one of these things are things that Trump has done or worse. Being a petty asshole? Come on, that's literally Trump to a tee. If Klobuchar is a trash person to work for, who really cares.
Not that I know much about Klobuchar and how mean or petty she is, but Democratic voters are holding up their candidates to higher standards than Republican voters; I don't think it's fair to compare Klobuchar's potential issues with all of Trump's baggage getting a pass, since Trump's baggage wouldn't have gotten a pass in the Democratic primary.
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On February 20 2019 09:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2019 09:09 GoTuNk! wrote:On February 20 2019 08:26 farvacola wrote:
if a grainy video from the 80s is the best the Breitbart/Washington Examiner generator can come up with, Bernie is gonna win in a landslide. Boy I hope the democrats end up running with a socialist looney like Sanders. Nothing that Trump or the republicans do, would could harm them as much their own leftism could. The majority of Americans agree with essentially every progressive policy that Bernie wants to implement; the biggest drawback is the label of socialism and whatever taboo is attached to it. Labels can go a long way to influencing people who are too lazy to actually learn about a topic or candidate, but there's not really much Bernie can do about being called whatever-juvenile-nickname-Trump-picks and just focusing on educating voters and getting his message out to everyone.
I disagree with your point, but I don't think it matters much. Labels are what matters, and Trump with the help of looney democrats has done a strong job of labeling democrats as the party that stands for socialism, crime, and infanticide.
Trump has been playing as a moderate as much as he can for the last time but his opponent just hate him too much to see it.
Other example of "labels", Trump the "homophobe"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6722497/Trump-administration-plans-campaign-against-70-countries-homosexual-activity-crime.html?fbclid=IwAR28ej4PiBgmrDKTj4QpxKW12jo9uWyWyixYdtQUIyXAFjcwR6Med6acgYs
I wonder how much time is CNN devoting to covering this iniciative.
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On February 20 2019 09:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2019 09:16 Womwomwom wrote:On February 20 2019 08:29 JimmiC wrote:On February 20 2019 08:19 GoTuNk! wrote:On February 20 2019 08:13 farvacola wrote:
Trump won amidst rumors that there is a tape of him watching prostitutes pissing on a bed, among literally dozens of other marginally less outlandish claims. There's a reason why I said Beto would be fine, potential skeletons notwithstanding. In the age of gram 'em by the pussy, alt right shock jock press is gonna have to try harder. Trump is not from the party of "believe all woman always" and "SCOTUS pick is a rapist because of something someone claims happened 30 years ago with no evidence". And there is no video of Trump watching prostitutes pissing on a bed, unlike other old fellow singing on the soviet union. + Show Spoiler +https://youtu.be/KgCfJxpqhd0 From the other side I think Biden has the strongest chance of beating Trump, but I give him 1% chance of winning the primary so I'm fine with it. Beto is also a great candidate, but his moment is not now I think; I see him as a great democrat candidate for president in the future. Klobuchar is well known to treat their staffers like shit, rage at them, and make them do all her errands. There is ton of dirt on her to make public if she runs for either President or VP. Well known by whom? Please source. Buzzfeed has done an article or two about her being a micromanager. Which automatically makes her an awful person to work for but, as some staffers have noted a lot of the criticisms are likely inflated due to the belief that women that are hard taskmasters are power hungry bitches. But does it honestly matter. Basically every single one of these things are things that Trump has done or worse. Being a petty asshole? Come on, that's literally Trump to a tee. If Klobuchar is a trash person to work for, who really cares. Not that I know much about Klobuchar and how mean or petty she is, but Democratic voters are holding up their candidates to higher standards than Republican voters; I don't think it's fair to compare Klobuchar's potential issues with all of Trump's baggage getting a pass, since Trump's baggage wouldn't have gotten a pass in the Democratic primary.
I totally agree, its just kind of funny to see GoTuNk! bring that up when his God Emperor has literally done everything negative this Democratic field has committed.
On February 20 2019 09:26 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2019 09:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 20 2019 09:09 GoTuNk! wrote:On February 20 2019 08:26 farvacola wrote:
if a grainy video from the 80s is the best the Breitbart/Washington Examiner generator can come up with, Bernie is gonna win in a landslide. Boy I hope the democrats end up running with a socialist looney like Sanders. Nothing that Trump or the republicans do, would could harm them as much their own leftism could. The majority of Americans agree with essentially every progressive policy that Bernie wants to implement; the biggest drawback is the label of socialism and whatever taboo is attached to it. Labels can go a long way to influencing people who are too lazy to actually learn about a topic or candidate, but there's not really much Bernie can do about being called whatever-juvenile-nickname-Trump-picks and just focusing on educating voters and getting his message out to everyone. I disagree with your point, but I don't think it matters much. Labels are what matters, and Trump with the help of looney democrats has done a strong job of labeling democrats as the party that stands for socialism, crime, and infanticide. Trump has been playing as a moderate as much as he can for the last time but his opponent just hate him too much to see it. Other example of "labels", Trump the "homophobe" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6722497/Trump-administration-plans-campaign-against-70-countries-homosexual-activity-crime.html?fbclid=IwAR28ej4PiBgmrDKTj4QpxKW12jo9uWyWyixYdtQUIyXAFjcwR6Med6acgYsI wonder how much time is CNN devoting to covering this iniciative.
First of all, don't link the Daily Mail.
Second of all, this isn't about actually denouncing criminalisation of homosexuality. NBC's report has made this exceptionally clear:
a bid aimed in part at denouncing Iran over its human rights record.
If Trump and his administration were actually a supporter of LGBT rights, they wouldn't be fucking over trans service personnel. But they're not, they're only supporters when it convenient and for surrogates to bring this shit up while pretending the last two years have never happened.
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Hawaii voting red next term looks like. Lots of people who didn’t care to vote before are now voting Trump for 2020. Again I don’t care for him but I am interested to see what he can get done in two terms.
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California voting red next term looks like.
Yeah, can you provide some type of a source Emnjay808?
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On February 20 2019 10:10 Emnjay808 wrote:
Hawaii voting red next term looks like. Lots of people who didn’t care to vote before are now voting Trump for 2020. Again I don’t care for him but I am interested to see what he can get done in two terms.
Why would any of this happen?
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Bias. Silent majority kind of thing. Is it okay to have thoughts like these here?
Anyone else live in HI able to offer feedback on the matter?
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On February 20 2019 10:26 Emnjay808 wrote:
Bias. Silent majority kind of thing. Is it okay to have thoughts like these here?
Emnjay808, the answer to your question depends on whether you back up what you said or not. Letting this type of crap go is what causes the thread to spiral out of control.
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So long as you don’t mind being told your theory is bad, silly or counter to all trends and data available.
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Same trends that told us FL would vote Hillary?
Sorry I’ll stop. I normally keep my opinions out of politics but Presidents’ Day was yesterday and the topic was hard to forego my mind.
Back to lurk mode. Have a good day y’all.
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I mean sure, go ahead and think out loud and point at bad stats in the past, but Hawaii has every senator and congressperson being Democrats and has been a very reliable Democrat leaning state for a while now, and no indicators seem to show it making such a drastic turn. Last election it went 61% for Clinton and I haven't heard any news about the state having a hidden Trump support base just waiting to burst out in 2020. Nor has it been exactly a flip-floppy state like Florida has been.
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Florida was a competitive state and has been a competitive state for cycle after cycle. Hawaii votes twice as much democrat as they do republican. To compare the two destroys any possible credability you have.
Unless those natives that the government doesn't bother with on the interior of the big island decide they want to vote for the orange man I don't know what you're getting your idea from.
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Given how close Florida tends to be in general and with the million more potential voters that they added, who are more likely to be democrats, I tend to believe that Democrats are going to win Florida a lot easier in the future.
(At least I can make this case easier than I can Hawaii's^^)
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On February 20 2019 10:35 Emnjay808 wrote:
Same trends that told us FL would vote Hillary?
Sorry I’ll stop. I normally keep my opinions out of politics but Presidents’ Day was yesterday and the topic was hard to forego my mind.
Back to lurk mode. Have a good day y’all.
I understand where you're coming from, but Florida is famous for hosting extremely close races. Voting Trump was within the margin of error (i.e. not particularly surprising) in those trends. Hawaii is not even comparable as far as I know, unless a significant % of the population suddenly decides to change their political beliefs.
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That and citizens moving from Puerto Rico after the Hurricane and registering to vote.
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On February 20 2019 10:26 Emnjay808 wrote:
Bias. Silent majority kind of thing. Is it okay to have thoughts like these here?
"Silent majority" has been a term used by Trump, and conservatives in general, to try and suggest that their platform and policies have much broader appeal among the population than they actually do in reality.
The reality is, polling data is generally fairly accurate and none of it suggests there being a Republican "silent majority". The simple argument against claims of there being a silent majority that favours Trump's policies is that he lost the popular vote and nearly all data collected since then has suggested that his and the Republican platforms have become increasingly unpopular among voters outside of basically every group other than a specific group of around 35-40% of Americans. If there wasn't a "silent majority" supporting Trump and the Republicans back when they were more popular, there is much less likely to be one now.
As for Hawaii, I decided to look into election results a bit. In the 2018 midterms, the Democrats outperformed the Republicans by a minimum of 20%, but usually much higher. Mazie Hirono won her senate seat with 71.2% of all votes, and the two House seats were won with similarly massive (40%+) gaps. Literally, in most cases, the Democrat was doubling or even tripling the number of votes of the Republican. In fact, going back to previous Presidential elections, voting data suggests that if anything, Hawaii is voting far more for Democrats now than even in 2000 or prior. On a brief look over of data on wikipedia, I noticed Obama received over 70% of votes in 2008 and 2012, and Clinton got over 60% in 2016. Gore and Kerry both only had in the mid-50% of votes (still handily beating the Republican candidates though due to third party candidates) as did Bill Clinton on his re-election. You have to go back to 1992 to find a time when Democrats did not get over 50% of votes (in 1992, Clinton got ~48%, but Ross Perot kinda fudged things up a bit).
There would have to be a fundamentally massive (and from all data I've seen, incredibly out of character) shift in voter sentiments for the Republicans to win in Hawaii. Voters were more than twice as likely to vote Democrat just 3 months ago, I can't see there being that huge of a shift happening in that short of a time, especially when no data corroborates the shift happening.
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That, and many future democrats here in FL just turned 18. The Miami Herald did a good report recently about how after Parkland shooting, there have already been an extra 1200 young gun deaths. A lot of the young people are looking to push gun reform. Especially when FL seems to have a ton of gun issues in general.
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On February 20 2019 10:10 Emnjay808 wrote:
Hawaii voting red next term looks like. Lots of people who didn’t care to vote before are now voting Trump for 2020. Again I don’t care for him but I am interested to see what he can get done in two terms.
I don't think so... pretty sure that Hawaii was literally the most pro-Clinton margin out of all the states in the entire general election... Clinton won by like 32 points (62% to 30% over Trump): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Results_by_state
There's no way it's going to completely flip to red.
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On February 20 2019 10:10 Emnjay808 wrote:
Hawaii voting red next term looks like. Lots of people who didn’t care to vote before are now voting Trump for 2020.
Impossible.
My take on the candidates so far.Sanders is too old.Creepy Joe Biden won’t fly in the #Metoo era.Beto o rourke is the best chance for dems since he is their best chance to take Texas.Gabbard seems decent and her anti war message doesn’t seem phony but she’s not popular with the dem establishment so can’t see her getting anywhere.
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