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I'm apprehensive about getting my hopes up since this isnt our first rodeo concerning the ending of the investigation. Still, I hope it's true.
If it is true, where are my Kushner and/or Jr. indictments? Gotta be coming soon if the investigation is wrapping up, no? No way those snakes were 100% honest to Congress.
Edit: Oh and I guess somebody has to ask: is there any chance that this is Barr, who just started, shutting down the investigation? I'd like to think that if that was true that it would be leaked meaning this is probably Mueller's decision (if it ends up happening like that).
Edit2: Also, it's a little weird that it would end now with the big secret case against the one foreign gov still ongoing as well as the Stone case.
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On February 21 2019 02:01 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 00:58 Gorsameth wrote:On February 21 2019 00:52 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On February 21 2019 00:50 JimmiC wrote:
Also NC has not been talked about much here. Is anything going to come from admitting that she wrote in ballots? This has to be election fraud no? Keep in mind we're the state that had our voting districts ruled unconstitutional in 2011 and were still in use when we voted last time. The idea that anything will happen is a believe it when it happens sort of thing for me. Because court cases are long processes and the courts only reached a verdict a few weeks before the 2018 elections when there wasn't time to change anything? There was plenty of time to fix the problem between 2011 and 2018. The fact that the courts move slowly and allow them to redraw unconstitutional districts multiple times is why there is so much voter apathy among young people. There wasn't time to change anything because the system is designed so that no changes can happen. Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 01:05 ticklishmusic wrote:On February 21 2019 00:55 Plansix wrote:
NC is a deeply dysfunctional state and will need more than court rulings to cure the rot. Direct intervention and DOJ oversight is the only way elections improve. I think NC is trending blue quite hard. Cooper has a very good approval rating, the supreme court has an overwhelming Democratic majority (the ratfuckery that backfired here is pretty hilarious). The Republican hold on the legislature has been weakening, and if they un-fuck the gerrymander a little, I could see them losing that in the next couple cycles. It seems like the people of NC are just tired of the Republicans. Just in the liberal strongholds like Charlotte and Raleigh. There's plenty of farmland between the big cities and the Republicans will do absolutely anything to hold onto power here. There is analysis out there that the house will flip from 10-3 to a huge Democrat edge as the blue wave cuts away the slim margins holding gerrymandering together, but that is when the districts will be redrawn so it doesn't hurt the Republicans as much and they'll end up with the six or seven seats they should have.
I want to also add that NC is trending blue heavily because a massive wave of people that lived in San Fransisco moved to NC, specifically Raleigh area. There's a lot of new tech jobs, and tech companies sprouting up there.
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On February 21 2019 03:40 On_Slaught wrote:
I'm apprehensive about getting my hopes up since this isnt our first rodeo concerning the ending of the investigation. Still, I hope it's true.
If it is true, where are my Kushner and/or Jr. indictments? Gotta be coming soon if the investigation is wrapping up, no? No way those snakes were 100% honest to Congress.
Edit: Oh and I guess somebody has to ask: is there any chance that this is Barr, who just started, shutting down the investigation? I'd like to think that if that was true that it would be leaked meaning this is probably Mueller's decision (if it ends up happening like that).
Edit2: Also, it's a little weird that it would end now with the big secret case against the one foreign gov still ongoing. I'd put the chance of the Mueller investigation getting shut down without it leaking at about - infinity.
So no, that is not what is happening.
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Yeah you're probably right. Plus it would be pointless for Barr to do that since the House would just being Mueller in to finish his thing. Hell, they wi probably call him to testify to the House no matter what.
Expect Trump to start getting more unhinged in his responses.
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On February 21 2019 03:40 On_Slaught wrote:
I'm apprehensive about getting my hopes up since this isnt our first rodeo concerning the ending of the investigation. Still, I hope it's true.
If it is true, where are my Kushner and/or Jr. indictments? Gotta be coming soon if the investigation is wrapping up, no? No way those snakes were 100% honest to Congress.
Edit: Oh and I guess somebody has to ask: is there any chance that this is Barr, who just started, shutting down the investigation? I'd like to think that if that was true that it would be leaked meaning this is probably Mueller's decision (if it ends up happening like that).
Edit2: Also, it's a little weird that it would end now with the big secret case against the one foreign gov still ongoing as well as the Stone case.
I think from a game-theory legal whatever perspective, going after family is the same as going after the big cheese himself. I don't think they plan to have a big gap of time between going after immediate family and Trump. If they have the evidence to bring down Kusher/Jr, it is very likely they have a lot more than that. If that's the case, it is possible the evidence for Jr is the same evidence as Trump himself.
It is possible they nail Jr on something smaller, but I kind of feel like either they all go down or none of them go down.
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An alternate theory for the timing, if it's really going down as the reports say, is that Mueller has been done with his report for a while now but didn't want to release it under Whitaker since he, rightfully, doesnt trust the guy. Seems more likely that he waited for Barr, someone be knows personally and trusts, than he just happened to finish at the same time Barr got in.
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If you haven't, I recommend watching an interview or two of Andrew McCabe (he's releasing a book soon so he's been on a press tour). He's not who I imagined at all. He comes off as incredibly down to earth and sharp. His interview with Stephen Colbert is pretty good. He's got a very dry sense of humour that's actually pretty funny.
Him not holding back at all on the Trump administration is pretty interesting, but in context to the fact that they fired him and denied him severance the literal day before he was supposed to retire from a 30+ year FBI career, it makes a lot more sense.
On the topic of the report possibly being released in the next couple weeks, yeah I expect Trump to become even more unhinged. My concern is all of the rumblings about the WH and Bolton looking for ways to justify a war with Iran. I could 100% see them starting a war if they find out the Mueller report is going to sink the administration otherwise.
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The most interesting part of that entire thing is that he told the gang of eight(congressional leadership) about opening an investigation into Trump himself and none of them objected. That included Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan at the time. And they could have objected if they wanted to.
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On February 21 2019 04:26 Plansix wrote:
The most interesting part of that entire thing is that he told the gang of eight(congressional leadership) about opening an investigation into Trump himself and none of them objected. That included Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan at the time. And they could have objected if they wanted to. They know better then to appear to obstruct a legitimate investigation.
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On February 21 2019 04:13 Ben... wrote:
If you haven't, I recommend watching an interview or two of Andrew McCabe (he's releasing a book soon so he's been on a press tour). He's not who I imagined at all. He comes off as incredibly down to earth and sharp. His interview with Stephen Colbert is pretty good. He's got a very dry sense of humour that's actually pretty funny.
Him not holding back at all on the Trump administration is pretty interesting, but in context to the fact that they fired him and denied him severance the literal day before he was supposed to retire from a 30+ year FBI career, it makes a lot more sense.
On the topic of the report possibly being released in the next couple weeks, yeah I expect Trump to become even more unhinged. My concern is all of the rumblings about the WH and Bolton looking for ways to justify a war with Iran. I could 100% see them starting a war if they find out the Mueller report is going to sink the administration otherwise.
He can't start a war. So it will be a policing action or saving some stuck operatives or something. As far as I know the last war the US had was 1942. Since then it has been many things, including a war on terror but no wars. So what I mean is that he will start a conflict, call it a war but not declare it.
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On February 21 2019 04:28 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 04:26 Plansix wrote:
The most interesting part of that entire thing is that he told the gang of eight(congressional leadership) about opening an investigation into Trump himself and none of them objected. That included Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan at the time. And they could have objected if they wanted to. They know better then to appear to obstruct a legitimate investigation.
But are still willing to use the potential criminal in the White House to further their agenda and appoint judges. People say Trump is shameless, but McConnell it the true king zero shame town.
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On February 21 2019 04:35 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 04:28 Gorsameth wrote:On February 21 2019 04:26 Plansix wrote:
The most interesting part of that entire thing is that he told the gang of eight(congressional leadership) about opening an investigation into Trump himself and none of them objected. That included Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan at the time. And they could have objected if they wanted to. They know better then to appear to obstruct a legitimate investigation. But are still willing to use the potential criminal in the White House to further their agenda and appoint judges. People say Trump is shameless, but McConnell it the true king zero shame town.
Stuck between a rock and a hard place. The evidence we still haven't seen, presented to all these people, is so convincing none of them resisted. If they publicly turn on Trump, their entire party falls apart. If they obstruct the investigation, they will probably end up in legal trouble. So if they toss meat at their base by publicly complaining and shit talking Mueller, but never actually do anything, they satisfy both requirements. Let Mueller do his work, but make it seem like you hate Mueller because your base hates Mueller for "rah rah he my leader, he strong, me strong" bullshit reasons.
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On February 21 2019 04:28 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 04:13 Ben... wrote:
If you haven't, I recommend watching an interview or two of Andrew McCabe (he's releasing a book soon so he's been on a press tour). He's not who I imagined at all. He comes off as incredibly down to earth and sharp. His interview with Stephen Colbert is pretty good. He's got a very dry sense of humour that's actually pretty funny.
Him not holding back at all on the Trump administration is pretty interesting, but in context to the fact that they fired him and denied him severance the literal day before he was supposed to retire from a 30+ year FBI career, it makes a lot more sense.
On the topic of the report possibly being released in the next couple weeks, yeah I expect Trump to become even more unhinged. My concern is all of the rumblings about the WH and Bolton looking for ways to justify a war with Iran. I could 100% see them starting a war if they find out the Mueller report is going to sink the administration otherwise. He can't start a war. So it will be a policing action or saving some stuck operatives or something. As far as I know the last war the US had was 1942. Since then it has been many things, including a war on terror but no wars. So what I mean is that he will start a conflict, call it a war but not declare it.
Yes, but that is nitpicky legalistic stuff. A war is a war, even if you don't call it a war. Just because the US does wars without declaring war doesn't make them any less of a war, it just means that the US system is weird.
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On February 21 2019 04:26 Plansix wrote:
The most interesting part of that entire thing is that he told the gang of eight(congressional leadership) about opening an investigation into Trump himself and none of them objected. That included Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan at the time. And they could have objected if they wanted to.
Not sure if McCarthy was in the room? It was Nunes and Burr
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Bernie's fundraising is absolutely hilarious. Everyone seems irrelevant at this point. The people who haven't officially entered will not touch Bernie's 24-hour numbers. Won't be surprised when Bernie body slams this primary and it wraps up before we're halfway done.
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On February 21 2019 05:00 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 04:26 Plansix wrote:
The most interesting part of that entire thing is that he told the gang of eight(congressional leadership) about opening an investigation into Trump himself and none of them objected. That included Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan at the time. And they could have objected if they wanted to. Not sure if McCarthy was in the room? It was Nunes and Burr
You are right. He was the majority leader at the time, which means that Pelosi would have been there as the minority leader.
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On February 21 2019 05:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Bernie's fundraising is absolutely hilarious. Everyone seems irrelevant at this point. The people who haven't officially entered will not touch Bernie's 24-hour numbers. Won't be surprised when Bernie body slams this primary and it wraps up before we're halfway done.
I hope the field remains wide through a debate or two, and then we wrap things up and focus on the general.
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There was recent polling showing that none of the Democratic candidate’s approval ratings were under 50%. The field is wide open, with a couple notable leaders. But voters don’t have a clear preference in their mind yet with this many people in the field.
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On February 21 2019 05:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Bernie's fundraising is absolutely hilarious. Everyone seems irrelevant at this point. The people who haven't officially entered will not touch Bernie's 24-hour numbers. Won't be surprised when Bernie body slams this primary and it wraps up before we're halfway done.
It's funny because in 2016 when the media sort of spun a narrative that Bernie had no chance to win or that his ideas were too zany you could at least see a tether to the truth there.
Now it's 2020 and people are trying to basically do the same thing when Bernie has been the most popular politicians of the past 3 years, has tangible things accomplished in that time frame, and has the largest grassroots & donation base out of al the contenders. The tether is severed but the lies are still being spouted.
Not that I think everyone should just anoint Bernie the primary winner at this point, but that's basically what the media did to Hillary and all coverage was framed around what affect something had in relation to Hillary. But instead we still have the same tired takes we had in 2016 combined somehow with takes that people with no voting record as such now support his platforms and all the candidates are progressive in the same way so why vote Bernie.
Also until Biden has a below 50% approval rating the approval polls don't mean much except people haven't looked into the candidates yet. Joe McHandsy delivered Strom Thrumond's euology ffs, how can you be a contender with a record like that.
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On February 21 2019 05:51 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 05:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Bernie's fundraising is absolutely hilarious. Everyone seems irrelevant at this point. The people who haven't officially entered will not touch Bernie's 24-hour numbers. Won't be surprised when Bernie body slams this primary and it wraps up before we're halfway done. It's funny because in 2016 when the media sort of spun a narrative that Bernie had no chance to win or that his ideas were too zany you could at least see a tether to the truth there. Now it's 2020 and people are trying to basically do the same thing when Bernie has been the most popular politicians of the past 3 years, has tangible things accomplished in that time frame, and has the largest grassroots & donation base out of al the contenders. The tether is severed but the lies are still being spouted. Not that I think everyone should just anoint Bernie the primary winner at this point, but that's basically what the media did to Hillary and all coverage was framed around what affect something had in relation to Hillary. But instead we still have the same tired takes we had in 2016 combined somehow with takes that people with no voting record as such now support his platforms and all the candidates are progressive in the same way so why vote Bernie. Also until Biden has a below 50% approval rating the approval polls don't mean much except people haven't looked into the candidates yet. Joe McHandsy delivered Strom Thrumond's euology ffs, how can you be a contender with a record like that.
The way I see it is:
1. Clinton and the entire democratic party were preparing for a Clinton presidency since 2008.
2. Clinton fully tightened her grip on the party as Obama's successor around 2015.
3. Right out of the gate, Clinton was all but awarded the nomination since roughly day 1...perhaps before then.
4. Bernie entirely organically created his own movement and was actively fought against, not just not supported, the entire time
5. Bernie almost pulls off the anime comeback of the century
6. Clinton loses
Now,
1. Bernie already has a giant following and never stopped fighting the fight
2. $15/hr is totally a Bernie thing
3. M4A is totally a Bernie thing
4. No giant machine working against Bernie
5. Grassroots, giant machine working FOR Bernie
6. Trump moved the entire democratic party to the left the same way Obama drove republicans to the right
7. Suddenly Bernie is in the best position ever.
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