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On February 21 2019 06:08 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 05:51 Logo wrote:On February 21 2019 05:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Bernie's fundraising is absolutely hilarious. Everyone seems irrelevant at this point. The people who haven't officially entered will not touch Bernie's 24-hour numbers. Won't be surprised when Bernie body slams this primary and it wraps up before we're halfway done. It's funny because in 2016 when the media sort of spun a narrative that Bernie had no chance to win or that his ideas were too zany you could at least see a tether to the truth there. Now it's 2020 and people are trying to basically do the same thing when Bernie has been the most popular politicians of the past 3 years, has tangible things accomplished in that time frame, and has the largest grassroots & donation base out of al the contenders. The tether is severed but the lies are still being spouted. Not that I think everyone should just anoint Bernie the primary winner at this point, but that's basically what the media did to Hillary and all coverage was framed around what affect something had in relation to Hillary. But instead we still have the same tired takes we had in 2016 combined somehow with takes that people with no voting record as such now support his platforms and all the candidates are progressive in the same way so why vote Bernie. Also until Biden has a below 50% approval rating the approval polls don't mean much except people haven't looked into the candidates yet. Joe McHandsy delivered Strom Thrumond's euology ffs, how can you be a contender with a record like that. The way I see it is: 1. Clinton and the entire democratic party were preparing for a Clinton presidency since 2008. 2. Clinton fully tightened her grip on the party as Obama's successor around 2015. 3. Right out of the gate, Clinton was all but awarded the nomination since roughly day 1...perhaps before then. 4. Bernie entirely organically created his own movement and was actively fought against, not just not supported, the entire time 5. Bernie almost pulls off the anime comeback of the century 6. Clinton loses Now, 1. Bernie already has a giant following and never stopped fighting the fight 2. $15/hr is totally a Bernie thing 3. M4A is totally a Bernie thing 4. No giant machine working against Bernie 5. Grassroots, giant machine working FOR Bernie 6. Trump moved the entire democratic party to the left the same way Obama drove republicans to the right 7. Suddenly Bernie is in the best position ever.
I think there will still be a new machine working against Bernie, billionaires gonna billionaire
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Bernie’s victory in the New Hampshire primary is what put him on the map and made his run real. He slam dunked that state and caught everyone off guard. And the converge of him depended greatly on what you were watching and reading. NPR and the Times addressed a lot of his policies in contrast to other attempts to raise the minimum wage across the country and how those had a hard time catching on.
We will have to see how Bernie deals with the Democratic machine this time around. Billionaires are gunna put up a fight, so no one should be surprised by that. But now that there are so many candidates, I doubt the machine is going to push against him right now.
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On February 21 2019 04:56 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 04:28 Yurie wrote:On February 21 2019 04:13 Ben... wrote:
If you haven't, I recommend watching an interview or two of Andrew McCabe (he's releasing a book soon so he's been on a press tour). He's not who I imagined at all. He comes off as incredibly down to earth and sharp. His interview with Stephen Colbert is pretty good. He's got a very dry sense of humour that's actually pretty funny.
Him not holding back at all on the Trump administration is pretty interesting, but in context to the fact that they fired him and denied him severance the literal day before he was supposed to retire from a 30+ year FBI career, it makes a lot more sense.
On the topic of the report possibly being released in the next couple weeks, yeah I expect Trump to become even more unhinged. My concern is all of the rumblings about the WH and Bolton looking for ways to justify a war with Iran. I could 100% see them starting a war if they find out the Mueller report is going to sink the administration otherwise. He can't start a war. So it will be a policing action or saving some stuck operatives or something. As far as I know the last war the US had was 1942. Since then it has been many things, including a war on terror but no wars. So what I mean is that he will start a conflict, call it a war but not declare it. Yes, but that is nitpicky legalistic stuff. A war is a war, even if you don't call it a war. Just because the US does wars without declaring war doesn't make them any less of a war, it just means that the US system is weird.
Indeed. They are apparently looking to try and use the justification they used to go into Afghanistan to attack Iran. Bolton is apparently trying to claim that Iran is supporting the efforts of Al-Qaeda and as such, the US can attack Iran using the mandate they used to invade Afghanistan.
It's bizarre. It's even dumber because this is happening right after Trump was supposedly trying to get the US to pull out of Afghanistan.
Nothing this administration does makes sense.
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On February 21 2019 06:19 Plansix wrote:
Bernie’s victory in the New Hampshire primary is what put him on the map and made his run real. He slam dunked that state and caught everyone off guard. And the converge of him depended greatly on what you were watching and reading. NPR and the Times addressed a lot of his policies in contrast to other attempts to raise the minimum wage across the country and how those had a hard time catching on.
We will have to see how Bernie deals with the Democratic machine this time around. Billionaires are gunna put up a fight, so no one should be surprised by that. But now that there are so many candidates, I doubt the machine is going to push against him right now.
In a way it's already started. There were a few articles randomly trashing him and a few articles explaining why he shouldn't run/begging him not to run. It also feels like there's a bot army against him on Twitter already but those things are hard to judge (and less important in the grand scheme of things). Howard Schultz threatening to run to make the candidate of the democrats more liberal is also one mechanism.
One of the issues with waiting is that he might have too much of a headstart once a lot of the field is cleared, kind of like Trump did with the Republicans in 2016
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The one concern I have about the Bernie run is how he will handle folks in his camp still have an ax to grind. There was clear evidence that the Russian troll farm was actively trying to drum up conflict and division, especially after he lost the nomination. I don’t expect him to acknowledge that or do anything differently right now. But I am uneasy about how his people will response to the first conflict or spat they get into with the DNC or whatever.
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When sleazy Fox News host meets Dutch honesty...oh boy. Rutger Bregman (whom I've never heard of before tbh) apparently went to Davos and plead for the wealthy to stop dodging taxes, which was not met with great enthusiasm . And that landed him an interview with Tucker Carlson. However Tucker didn't quite know what he was in for, ending up cursing at him and never airing the interview.
I'm not quite sure how they got this footage if it wasn't aired, and hope it's not manipulated but it's hilarious nonetheless.
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On February 21 2019 09:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:When sleazy Fox News host meets Dutch honesty...oh boy. Rutger Bregman (whom I've never heard of before tbh) apparently went to Davos and plead for the wealthy need to stop dodging taxes, which was not met with great enthusiasm . And that landed him an interview with Tucker Carlson. However Tucker didn't quite knew what he was in for, ending up cursing at him and never airing the interview. I'm not quite sure how they got this footage if it wasn't aired, and hope it's not manipulated but it's hilarious nonetheless. The footage is from the studio in the Netherlands from which Rutger did the interview (hence it only showing him and not Tucker. He is the one that released it after Fox decided not to air it.
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Boy, Tucker sure does get upset real quick when he's told he's part of the problem. That is a wonderful exchange.
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Wow, I dont normally go in for just about anything on twitter, but that exchange was pretty savage. You know you hit a cord when Carlson starts stuttering, and that he gets worked up enough to start swearing at him, thats some good stuff.
I hope to see more from Rutger Bregman.
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On February 21 2019 09:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:When sleazy Fox News host meets Dutch honesty...oh boy. Rutger Bregman (whom I've never heard of before tbh) apparently went to Davos and plead for the wealthy to stop dodging taxes, which was not met with great enthusiasm . And that landed him an interview with Tucker Carlson. However Tucker didn't quite know what he was in for, ending up cursing at him and never airing the interview. I'm not quite sure how they got this footage if it wasn't aired, and hope it's not manipulated but it's hilarious nonetheless.
They got the footage because Bregman released it.
He looks good there but apparently he also has articles in dutch where he defends blackface and calling Rihanna a "n***abitch". Anti-idpol leftist :/ or at least he was at some point.
Might explain why Carlson felt it was safe to have him on his show though.
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The Dutch can defend blackface, as long as they’re not defending how it was used in American popular culture to denigrate black people. It’s not intrinsically racist, Americans just ruined it for themselves and have decided that nobody else can have it now. Same with traditional morris dancers in the UK.
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On February 21 2019 05:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Bernie's fundraising is absolutely hilarious. Everyone seems irrelevant at this point. The people who haven't officially entered will not touch Bernie's 24-hour numbers. Won't be surprised when Bernie body slams this primary and it wraps up before we're halfway done.
He should do a few of those money bombs Ron Paul did.Good publicity.
What happened with superdelegates? They changed it last year?
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I'd have to know dutch to make a better answer, that's just what I got on Twitter, hopefully I'm not slandering him by saying he is (or was) conservative left. He was awesome here on economic issues, but it just feels like relevant information if true.
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On February 21 2019 10:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 05:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Bernie's fundraising is absolutely hilarious. Everyone seems irrelevant at this point. The people who haven't officially entered will not touch Bernie's 24-hour numbers. Won't be surprised when Bernie body slams this primary and it wraps up before we're halfway done. He should do a few of those money bombs Ron Paul did.Good publicity. What happened with superdelegates? They changed it last year?
From what I can tell the superdelegates can no longer play a deciding role on the initial ballot of the convention. This means that it's impossible to overrule someone with the majority of pledged delegates, but if multiple ballots occur or in a three+ way race they can still have an influence. This wouldn't have changed the at-convention results in 2008/2016 (Clinton and Obama both won the majority of pledged delegates) but at least means they're far closer to celebrity endorsements than they were before in a "normal" race AND makes the numbers easier to track.
The only reasonable step further which would have made them true celebrity endorsements would have just been to remove their power on all ballots, but I think Trump scared that step out of them.
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On February 21 2019 03:40 On_Slaught wrote:
I'm apprehensive about getting my hopes up since this isnt our first rodeo concerning the ending of the investigation. Still, I hope it's true.
If it is true, where are my Kushner and/or Jr. indictments? Gotta be coming soon if the investigation is wrapping up, no? No way those snakes were 100% honest to Congress.
Edit: Oh and I guess somebody has to ask: is there any chance that this is Barr, who just started, shutting down the investigation? I'd like to think that if that was true that it would be leaked meaning this is probably Mueller's decision (if it ends up happening like that).
Edit2: Also, it's a little weird that it would end now with the big secret case against the one foreign gov still ongoing as well as the Stone case.
You're in for a massive disappointment if you still think that anything substantive against Trump or his inner circle is coming from Mueller's work. If the House and Senate committees clearing Trump's team wasn't enough, look no further than McCabe's current book tour in the media in which he repeatedly fails to explain during interviews the underlying basis for the investigation into Trump and his people during the campaign. Yes, Democrats and the media are going to shift away from the Russia collusion narrative and turn the case into obstruction, but that's not going to go anywhere, either. What remains to be seen is what Barr does after Mueller is finally sidelined. Is he going to investigate and prosecute some of the people who were fired from the FBI/DOJ? McCabe is certainly a very easy target (and one who is already subject to a grand jury). We'll see soon enough. In fact, I think that we're going to have a very good idea where this is going within the next 90 days, and potentially sooner.
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And we are back to the Republican filled FBI was biased against Trump from the start, despite the overwhelming evidence that the man is dripping with crime and grift.
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On February 21 2019 09:53 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 09:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:When sleazy Fox News host meets Dutch honesty...oh boy. Rutger Bregman (whom I've never heard of before tbh) apparently went to Davos and plead for the wealthy to stop dodging taxes, which was not met with great enthusiasm . And that landed him an interview with Tucker Carlson. However Tucker didn't quite know what he was in for, ending up cursing at him and never airing the interview. I'm not quite sure how they got this footage if it wasn't aired, and hope it's not manipulated but it's hilarious nonetheless. They got the footage because Bregman released it. He looks good there but apparently he also has articles in dutch where he defends blackface and calling Rihanna a "n***abitch". Anti-idpol leftist :/ or at least he was at some point. Might explain why Carlson felt it was safe to have him on his show though.
The article is much more nuanced than that really. He even makes the point that races don't exist. He defends zwarte piet not blackface. Zwarte Piet isn't blackface.
Here's the opinion piece of anyone is interested.
https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/-alleen-amerikaanse-zenuwlijders-vinden-ons-racisten-~b7b10ef7/
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On February 21 2019 06:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 06:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 21 2019 05:51 Logo wrote:On February 21 2019 05:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Bernie's fundraising is absolutely hilarious. Everyone seems irrelevant at this point. The people who haven't officially entered will not touch Bernie's 24-hour numbers. Won't be surprised when Bernie body slams this primary and it wraps up before we're halfway done. It's funny because in 2016 when the media sort of spun a narrative that Bernie had no chance to win or that his ideas were too zany you could at least see a tether to the truth there. Now it's 2020 and people are trying to basically do the same thing when Bernie has been the most popular politicians of the past 3 years, has tangible things accomplished in that time frame, and has the largest grassroots & donation base out of al the contenders. The tether is severed but the lies are still being spouted. Not that I think everyone should just anoint Bernie the primary winner at this point, but that's basically what the media did to Hillary and all coverage was framed around what affect something had in relation to Hillary. But instead we still have the same tired takes we had in 2016 combined somehow with takes that people with no voting record as such now support his platforms and all the candidates are progressive in the same way so why vote Bernie. Also until Biden has a below 50% approval rating the approval polls don't mean much except people haven't looked into the candidates yet. Joe McHandsy delivered Strom Thrumond's euology ffs, how can you be a contender with a record like that. The way I see it is: 1. Clinton and the entire democratic party were preparing for a Clinton presidency since 2008. 2. Clinton fully tightened her grip on the party as Obama's successor around 2015. 3. Right out of the gate, Clinton was all but awarded the nomination since roughly day 1...perhaps before then. 4. Bernie entirely organically created his own movement and was actively fought against, not just not supported, the entire time 5. Bernie almost pulls off the anime comeback of the century 6. Clinton loses Now, 1. Bernie already has a giant following and never stopped fighting the fight 2. $15/hr is totally a Bernie thing 3. M4A is totally a Bernie thing 4. No giant machine working against Bernie 5. Grassroots, giant machine working FOR Bernie 6. Trump moved the entire democratic party to the left the same way Obama drove republicans to the right 7. Suddenly Bernie is in the best position ever. I think there will still be a new machine working against Bernie, billionaires gonna billionaire
It’s a bit simplistic to attributes the opposition to Sanders to “billionaires” only. I remembered reading Krugman explaining for example that he thought his program was simply not serious, and that his numbers didn’t even start to add up. Considering what happened in Europe when populist left wing promising unicorns on the basis of flawed, wildly over optimistic numbers won, I would personally not support Sanders in a primary. When those people win, they damage the left for decades because they can’t deliver a fraction of their program and become « establishment » (read: living in the real world), which boomerangs badly.
The way I see it, Bernie wants the same thing than the rest of the democratic party, meaning a system looking a little bit more like Denmark, but adopts a confrontational, « revolutionary » and populist stance that revulses the moderates, just like the pragmatic, compromising, small step approach of the « establishment » revulses his supporters.
At one point all those people should realize that they need each other and are working towards the very same goal. But the left is gonna be the left, and the collosal stupidity of right wingers who still support a dangerous, morally bankrupt, megalomaniac and utterly incompetent moron after such a train wreck of two years, proves to be a decisive advantage, not for the country, but for the GOP.
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On February 21 2019 17:21 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 06:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On February 21 2019 06:08 Mohdoo wrote:On February 21 2019 05:51 Logo wrote:On February 21 2019 05:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Bernie's fundraising is absolutely hilarious. Everyone seems irrelevant at this point. The people who haven't officially entered will not touch Bernie's 24-hour numbers. Won't be surprised when Bernie body slams this primary and it wraps up before we're halfway done. It's funny because in 2016 when the media sort of spun a narrative that Bernie had no chance to win or that his ideas were too zany you could at least see a tether to the truth there. Now it's 2020 and people are trying to basically do the same thing when Bernie has been the most popular politicians of the past 3 years, has tangible things accomplished in that time frame, and has the largest grassroots & donation base out of al the contenders. The tether is severed but the lies are still being spouted. Not that I think everyone should just anoint Bernie the primary winner at this point, but that's basically what the media did to Hillary and all coverage was framed around what affect something had in relation to Hillary. But instead we still have the same tired takes we had in 2016 combined somehow with takes that people with no voting record as such now support his platforms and all the candidates are progressive in the same way so why vote Bernie. Also until Biden has a below 50% approval rating the approval polls don't mean much except people haven't looked into the candidates yet. Joe McHandsy delivered Strom Thrumond's euology ffs, how can you be a contender with a record like that. The way I see it is: 1. Clinton and the entire democratic party were preparing for a Clinton presidency since 2008. 2. Clinton fully tightened her grip on the party as Obama's successor around 2015. 3. Right out of the gate, Clinton was all but awarded the nomination since roughly day 1...perhaps before then. 4. Bernie entirely organically created his own movement and was actively fought against, not just not supported, the entire time 5. Bernie almost pulls off the anime comeback of the century 6. Clinton loses Now, 1. Bernie already has a giant following and never stopped fighting the fight 2. $15/hr is totally a Bernie thing 3. M4A is totally a Bernie thing 4. No giant machine working against Bernie 5. Grassroots, giant machine working FOR Bernie 6. Trump moved the entire democratic party to the left the same way Obama drove republicans to the right 7. Suddenly Bernie is in the best position ever. I think there will still be a new machine working against Bernie, billionaires gonna billionaire It’s a bit simplistic to attributes the opposition to Sanders to “billionaires” only. I remembered reading Krugman explaining for example that he thought his program was simply not serious, and that his numbers didn’t even start to add up. Considering what happened in Europe when populist left wing promising unicorns on the basis of flawed, wildly over optimistic numbers won, I would personally not support Sanders in a primary. When those people win, they damage the left for decades because they can’t deliver a fraction of their program and become « establishment » (read: living in the real world), which boomerangs badly. The way I see it, Bernie wants the same thing than the rest of the democratic party, meaning a system looking a little bit more like Denmark, but adopts a confrontational, « revolutionary » and populist stance that revulses the moderates, just like the pragmatic, compromising, small step approach of the « establishment » revulses his supporters. At one point all those people should realize that they need each other and are working towards the very same goal. But the left is gonna be the left, and the collosal stupidity of right wingers who still support a dangerous, morally bankrupt, megalomaniac and utterly incompetent moron after such a train wreck of two years, proves to be a decisive advantage, not for the country, but for the GOP.
Simply put, we don't have time for this. We need some pretty radical changes and we need them fairly quickly. Climate change is a problem, the rise of nationalism and/or fascism around the world is a problem. Liberalism is incapable of facing those threats efficiently, especially not when it's in decline.
That's my take. But for something less subjective, I will never understand how a European can say that liberals and leftists "are working towards the very same goal". That is simply untrue. I suspect there's also some Stockholm syndrome happening, cause apparently it's always the left's fault that shit happens. The establishment will obviously fight Bernie, and has already started, but we are the ones who are "confrontational"... That's not how it works. On top of that, we also had examples of leftwing parties moving toward the center just about everywhere, from Blair to Mitterrand... and what happened? Just what you'd expect: the Overton window moved to the right, a bunch of their electorate moved to the far right, but hey, I guess that's just the pragmatic thing to do...
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