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As someone who has written off the most popular Democratic candidate using a host of highly questionable inferences (that Bernie and his campaign haven’t changed and that there is no good evidence that the DNC shot itself in the foot as it tried to stifle his candidacy are, at a minimum, hotly disputed), I would take a look in the mirror when it comes time to stop wishing that Bernie would get sick and vote in a primary.
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On February 22 2019 00:30 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 23:50 xDaunt wrote:On February 21 2019 19:59 iamthedave wrote:On February 21 2019 13:40 Plansix wrote:
And we are back to the Republican filled FBI was biased against Trump from the start, despite the overwhelming evidence that the man is dripping with crime and grift. Shrug. For all the dubious thinking behind it, Daunt's right that if Trump was going down we'd almost certainly know about it at this point. The final report is likely to be as damaging to his reputation - what little remains to damage - as the Clinton e-mail report was to her. It isn't going to land him in jail or see him ousted from the Presidency. At least... not directly. The final report won’t damage Trump. To the extent that any portion of it sees the light of day beyond Barr, it will merely be a statement saying no collusion/crime or something to that effect. What has been damaging to Trump is all of speculation and innuendo that has been in the media for more than two years. That damage is not easily remedied. Yes, all that unjust damage to his reputation... Oh wait he admitted on Twitter that Jr. went to the meeting to get dirt on Hillary from the Russian government. And we've had people lie infront of congress that Trump wasn't in discussions about a Trump tower in Moscow during the campaign. Not to mention all the other indictements that have already come out of the investigation. I thought we moved past "it didn't happen" unto "but it wasn't illegal". Guess we've gone back a step again.
I feel like if there's such a thing as Meta-Gaslighting, this is it.
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Gaslighting is a good comparison. Especially when we have a President that is nakedly trying to profit using his elected position. And with all the guilty pleas from people one step removed from Trump himself.
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The fact that that is in a federal courthouse makes everything else about it 10x funnier.
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On February 22 2019 00:30 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2019 23:50 xDaunt wrote:On February 21 2019 19:59 iamthedave wrote:On February 21 2019 13:40 Plansix wrote:
And we are back to the Republican filled FBI was biased against Trump from the start, despite the overwhelming evidence that the man is dripping with crime and grift. Shrug. For all the dubious thinking behind it, Daunt's right that if Trump was going down we'd almost certainly know about it at this point. The final report is likely to be as damaging to his reputation - what little remains to damage - as the Clinton e-mail report was to her. It isn't going to land him in jail or see him ousted from the Presidency. At least... not directly. The final report won’t damage Trump. To the extent that any portion of it sees the light of day beyond Barr, it will merely be a statement saying no collusion/crime or something to that effect. What has been damaging to Trump is all of speculation and innuendo that has been in the media for more than two years. That damage is not easily remedied. Yes, all that unjust damage to his reputation... Oh wait he admitted on Twitter that Jr. went to the meeting to get dirt on Hillary from the Russian government. And we've had people lie infront of congress that Trump wasn't in discussions about a Trump tower in Moscow during the campaign. Not to mention all the other indictements that have already come out of the investigation. I thought we moved past "it didn't happen" unto "but it wasn't illegal". Guess we've gone back a step again.
You do realize that all of the "dirt" on Trump and his team came from the Russians (as well as the NSA database, but we'll deal with that later), right? And you do also realize not only that Hillary paid for that information, but also that she has had business dealings (not prospective business dealings, actual business dealings) with many of the same Russians that are involved in this mess? The Trump Tower meeting is a comparative nothing burger, just as all of the indictments to come out of the investigation are nothing burgers as they pertain to Trump and his campaign.
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The Supreme Court has a basket ball court and in house carpenter. The White House does as well. Given the long hours that the Judges pull, it was easier to build basketball court in the high court than to have them go to a gym. The inhouse carpenter is for historical preservation and security reasons.
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On February 22 2019 01:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 00:30 Gorsameth wrote:On February 21 2019 23:50 xDaunt wrote:On February 21 2019 19:59 iamthedave wrote:On February 21 2019 13:40 Plansix wrote:
And we are back to the Republican filled FBI was biased against Trump from the start, despite the overwhelming evidence that the man is dripping with crime and grift. Shrug. For all the dubious thinking behind it, Daunt's right that if Trump was going down we'd almost certainly know about it at this point. The final report is likely to be as damaging to his reputation - what little remains to damage - as the Clinton e-mail report was to her. It isn't going to land him in jail or see him ousted from the Presidency. At least... not directly. The final report won’t damage Trump. To the extent that any portion of it sees the light of day beyond Barr, it will merely be a statement saying no collusion/crime or something to that effect. What has been damaging to Trump is all of speculation and innuendo that has been in the media for more than two years. That damage is not easily remedied. Yes, all that unjust damage to his reputation... Oh wait he admitted on Twitter that Jr. went to the meeting to get dirt on Hillary from the Russian government. And we've had people lie infront of congress that Trump wasn't in discussions about a Trump tower in Moscow during the campaign. Not to mention all the other indictements that have already come out of the investigation. I thought we moved past "it didn't happen" unto "but it wasn't illegal". Guess we've gone back a step again. You do realize that all of the "dirt" on Trump and his team came from the Russians (as well as the NSA database, but we'll deal with that later), right? A nd you do also realize not only that Hillary paid for that information, but also that she has had business dealings (not prospective business dealings, actual business dealings) with many of the same Russians that are involved in this mess? The Trump Tower meeting is a comparative nothing burger, just as all of the indictments to come out of the investigation are nothing burgers as they pertain to Trump and his campaign.
She did this personally? Did she wear one of those big coats and glasses, like in the movies? Did it come in a weird envelope that was still labeled “Super Top Secret” in Russian?
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Trump surrounded himself with a number of people who are no longer in the picture because they've been criminally charged. But hey, that now qualifies as a nothingburger.
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On February 22 2019 00:48 hunts wrote:
I didn't expect there to be that many people here that would support sanders 2020, I honestly don't get why. It's not like he magically learned how to be a good politician, he's still the same one trick pony he was in 2016, except even older. And when people talk about "outside interference in the primary" I sure hope they remember that while most of the claims of "rigged in hillary's favor" are nebulous and without any proof, the one type of interference we DO have proof of, is russian interference in favor of bernie. Honestly I hope he drops out before 2020, or becomes too sick to run, I have a feeling him and his supporters will do their best to tear the party apart from the inside, again.
How is he a one trick pony?
At a minimum he's tangibly accomplished two tricks over the past 4 years ($15 min wage, and Medicare for all becoming a mainstream platform). He's on 2 environmental committees this session of congress and a committee for veteran affairs. He's signed/cosigned bills expanding social security, making our election day a public holiday, and a joint resolution for the US to end our involvement in Yemen and that's all just *recent* legislation. None of that is a one trick pony.
He's arguably accomplished more than any other dem federal-level politician over the last 4 years since he has at least one big actual tangible leftist wins under his belt (pressuring Amazon and Disney to pay $15/hr, the Yemen joint resolution passing).
It's one of the most tired lies about Sanders to call him a one trick pony.
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On February 22 2019 01:35 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 01:24 Plansix wrote:
The Supreme Court has a basket ball court and in house carpenter. The White House does as well. Given the long hours that the Judges pull, it was easier to build basketball court in the high court than to have them go to a gym. The inhouse carpenter is for historical preservation and security reasons. I'm confused about talking about the carpenter? Is this related to the sexy shirtless Lincoln statue?
Nah, its just an amusing fact about the Supreme Court and White House. The both have art curators as well, so assure any paintings and art displayed in the buildings are cared for.
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On February 22 2019 01:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 01:21 xDaunt wrote:On February 22 2019 00:30 Gorsameth wrote:On February 21 2019 23:50 xDaunt wrote:On February 21 2019 19:59 iamthedave wrote:On February 21 2019 13:40 Plansix wrote:
And we are back to the Republican filled FBI was biased against Trump from the start, despite the overwhelming evidence that the man is dripping with crime and grift. Shrug. For all the dubious thinking behind it, Daunt's right that if Trump was going down we'd almost certainly know about it at this point. The final report is likely to be as damaging to his reputation - what little remains to damage - as the Clinton e-mail report was to her. It isn't going to land him in jail or see him ousted from the Presidency. At least... not directly. The final report won’t damage Trump. To the extent that any portion of it sees the light of day beyond Barr, it will merely be a statement saying no collusion/crime or something to that effect. What has been damaging to Trump is all of speculation and innuendo that has been in the media for more than two years. That damage is not easily remedied. Yes, all that unjust damage to his reputation... Oh wait he admitted on Twitter that Jr. went to the meeting to get dirt on Hillary from the Russian government. And we've had people lie infront of congress that Trump wasn't in discussions about a Trump tower in Moscow during the campaign. Not to mention all the other indictements that have already come out of the investigation. I thought we moved past "it didn't happen" unto "but it wasn't illegal". Guess we've gone back a step again. You do realize that all of the "dirt" on Trump and his team came from the Russians (as well as the NSA database, but we'll deal with that later), right? A nd you do also realize not only that Hillary paid for that information, but also that she has had business dealings (not prospective business dealings, actual business dealings) with many of the same Russians that are involved in this mess? The Trump Tower meeting is a comparative nothing burger, just as all of the indictments to come out of the investigation are nothing burgers as they pertain to Trump and his campaign. She did this personally? Did she wear one of those big coats and glasses, like in the movies? Did it come in a weird envelope that was still labeled “Super Top Secret” in Russian?
If by "personally" you mean "through the Clinton Foundation and her husband's paid speaking engagements," yep.
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On February 22 2019 01:28 NewSunshine wrote:
Trump surrounded himself with a number of people who are no longer in the picture because they've been criminally charged. But hey, that now qualifies as a nothingburger.
Do you understand what they have been charged with?
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On February 22 2019 01:41 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 01:26 Plansix wrote:On February 22 2019 01:21 xDaunt wrote:On February 22 2019 00:30 Gorsameth wrote:On February 21 2019 23:50 xDaunt wrote:On February 21 2019 19:59 iamthedave wrote:On February 21 2019 13:40 Plansix wrote:
And we are back to the Republican filled FBI was biased against Trump from the start, despite the overwhelming evidence that the man is dripping with crime and grift. Shrug. For all the dubious thinking behind it, Daunt's right that if Trump was going down we'd almost certainly know about it at this point. The final report is likely to be as damaging to his reputation - what little remains to damage - as the Clinton e-mail report was to her. It isn't going to land him in jail or see him ousted from the Presidency. At least... not directly. The final report won’t damage Trump. To the extent that any portion of it sees the light of day beyond Barr, it will merely be a statement saying no collusion/crime or something to that effect. What has been damaging to Trump is all of speculation and innuendo that has been in the media for more than two years. That damage is not easily remedied. Yes, all that unjust damage to his reputation... Oh wait he admitted on Twitter that Jr. went to the meeting to get dirt on Hillary from the Russian government. And we've had people lie infront of congress that Trump wasn't in discussions about a Trump tower in Moscow during the campaign. Not to mention all the other indictements that have already come out of the investigation. I thought we moved past "it didn't happen" unto "but it wasn't illegal". Guess we've gone back a step again. You do realize that all of the "dirt" on Trump and his team came from the Russians (as well as the NSA database, but we'll deal with that later), right? A nd you do also realize not only that Hillary paid for that information, but also that she has had business dealings (not prospective business dealings, actual business dealings) with many of the same Russians that are involved in this mess? The Trump Tower meeting is a comparative nothing burger, just as all of the indictments to come out of the investigation are nothing burgers as they pertain to Trump and his campaign. She did this personally? Did she wear one of those big coats and glasses, like in the movies? Did it come in a weird envelope that was still labeled “Super Top Secret” in Russian? If by "personally" you mean "through the Clinton Foundation and her husband's paid speaking engagements," yep.
Is this the alternative reality Bizzaro Steel Dossier that is origin of the investigation(which it is not, Carter Page’s antics pre-date it by quite a while) and wasn’t paid for as opposition research by the DNC(after the RNC stopped paying for it)? Is Bizzaro Trump a good president who understands men’s fashion?
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That looks to me like a list of offenses, most of which are at least tangentially related to Trump and his campaign.
And the thing is, they don't even need to be. For someone who makes such a big point about surrounding himself with Wonderful People, the Best People, a lot of them seem to be awfully dirty.
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On February 22 2019 01:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 01:41 xDaunt wrote:On February 22 2019 01:26 Plansix wrote:On February 22 2019 01:21 xDaunt wrote:On February 22 2019 00:30 Gorsameth wrote:On February 21 2019 23:50 xDaunt wrote:On February 21 2019 19:59 iamthedave wrote:On February 21 2019 13:40 Plansix wrote:
And we are back to the Republican filled FBI was biased against Trump from the start, despite the overwhelming evidence that the man is dripping with crime and grift. Shrug. For all the dubious thinking behind it, Daunt's right that if Trump was going down we'd almost certainly know about it at this point. The final report is likely to be as damaging to his reputation - what little remains to damage - as the Clinton e-mail report was to her. It isn't going to land him in jail or see him ousted from the Presidency. At least... not directly. The final report won’t damage Trump. To the extent that any portion of it sees the light of day beyond Barr, it will merely be a statement saying no collusion/crime or something to that effect. What has been damaging to Trump is all of speculation and innuendo that has been in the media for more than two years. That damage is not easily remedied. Yes, all that unjust damage to his reputation... Oh wait he admitted on Twitter that Jr. went to the meeting to get dirt on Hillary from the Russian government. And we've had people lie infront of congress that Trump wasn't in discussions about a Trump tower in Moscow during the campaign. Not to mention all the other indictements that have already come out of the investigation. I thought we moved past "it didn't happen" unto "but it wasn't illegal". Guess we've gone back a step again. You do realize that all of the "dirt" on Trump and his team came from the Russians (as well as the NSA database, but we'll deal with that later), right? A nd you do also realize not only that Hillary paid for that information, but also that she has had business dealings (not prospective business dealings, actual business dealings) with many of the same Russians that are involved in this mess? The Trump Tower meeting is a comparative nothing burger, just as all of the indictments to come out of the investigation are nothing burgers as they pertain to Trump and his campaign. She did this personally? Did she wear one of those big coats and glasses, like in the movies? Did it come in a weird envelope that was still labeled “Super Top Secret” in Russian? If by "personally" you mean "through the Clinton Foundation and her husband's paid speaking engagements," yep. Is this the alternative reality Bizzaro Steel Dossier that is origin the foundation of the investigation(which it is not, Carter Page’s antics pre-date it by quite a while) and wasn’t paid for as opposition research by the DNC(after the RNC stopped paying for it)? Is Bizzaro Trump a good president who understands men’s fashion?
I guess I wasn't addressing the dossier with my response so much as the business dealings with Russians. But on the point of the dossier, it was initially funded by Singer before the Clinton campaign took it over.
As a relevant aside because you have done it twice now this morning, you have a very bad habit of inaccurately presuming that republicans are firmly supporting Trump. A large segment of the republican establishment, and potentially a majority of the big-money interests, oppose Trump.
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Oakland, California teachers are going on strike, it is great to see the Labor force coming back in play and even starting to change the narrative it seems. This is the 3rd such strike this year I believe in the country.
Teachers in Oakland, California, have gone on strike demanding smaller class sizes and a 12 percent retroactive raise.
They are the latest in the U.S. to go on strike in recent months. Teachers in West Virginia, Denver and Los Angeles have gone on strike in over the last year.
The city’s 3,000 teachers are demanding a 12 percent retroactive raise covering 2017 to 2020 to compensate for what they say are among the lowest salaries for public school teachers in the expensive San Francisco Bay Area.
They also want the district to hire more counselors to support students and more full-time nurses.
The walkout is expected to affect 36,000 students at 86 schools.
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If the Republicans oppose Trump, they have a funny way of showing it.
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