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Lazare64
Profile Joined February 2019
2 Posts
February 19 2019 19:28 GMT
#22601
Glad you are asking. "They" is more about the corporate power dynamics and conflicts in a state and their political interests in both domestic and foreign policy. I'm not sure how much time I have before this account gets banned, so I'll make this quick but please if you are genuinely interested look into Chomsky, Chris Hedges, Smedley Butler, Eisenhower's last speech.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 19:31:28
February 19 2019 19:29 GMT
#22602
"They" is more about the corporate power dynamics and conflicts in a state and their political interests in both domestic and foreign policy. You just described the Trump family.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12377 Posts
February 19 2019 19:32 GMT
#22603
On February 20 2019 04:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
"They" is more about the corporate power dynamics and conflicts in a state and their political interests in both domestic and foreign policy. You just described Donald Trump.


Are you assuming that he likes Trump?
No will to live, no wish to die
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22008 Posts
February 19 2019 19:34 GMT
#22604
On February 20 2019 04:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
"They" is more about the corporate power dynamics and conflicts in a state and their political interests in both domestic and foreign policy. You just described the Trump family.
I mean that was the great con of 2016 no? To convince blue collar Americans that in order to remove the influence of the rich on American politics they had to elect a rich man who bragged about buying politicians.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 19:36:15
February 19 2019 19:34 GMT
#22605
On February 20 2019 04:32 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 04:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
"They" is more about the corporate power dynamics and conflicts in a state and their political interests in both domestic and foreign policy. You just described Donald Trump.


Are you assuming that he likes Trump?

No, I am making the observation that he just described Donald Trump.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 19 2019 19:36 GMT
#22606
The point if friction isn’t about Laz’s views, but his intent of “dropping knowledge” on the people in this thread based on the assumption folks here are not aware of Chomsky, Chris Hedges, Smedley Butler, Eisenhower last speech in some way.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 19:57:36
February 19 2019 19:47 GMT
#22607
It still intrigues me to no end how people who have no other engagement with gaming/TL in any way find this thread. Like, what leads you to find a Politics discussion thread on a gaming website, and even coming across it, what leads you to care at all what people there think if you have no other engagement with TL/gaming in any way?

On February 19 2019 22:32 Liquid`Drone wrote:
It's like, I don't really disagree, but.. I think 'best person for the job' should apply just as much to the president as to other people. If anything, stuff like 'age' is less important for high profile jobs because the candidates are under such scrutiny that you can evaluate them on individual metrics like 'how good is his health' rather than generally true assumptions on their health based on age.

This is all well and good if you get rid of the existing age requirement for running for office. But insofar as there is already an age requirement, it makes absolutely no sense that a 34-year-old is disqualified from running for presidency but a 70-year-old isn't. Age-related cognitive impairment was not something the founding fathers knew about when they made the rules, but given what we know now, the rules should be changed to account for it.

And I don't think "looking sharp" is good enough. Even a mild degree of cognitive impairment should quite frankly be disqualifying for a job as mentally demanding as the presidency, and most people with mild cognitive impairment still appear to function totally normally at first glance in situations where they aren't being evaluated clinically (especially when they're relatively affluent and have a good support network). Appearing to be mentally capable under the very controlled conditions of broadcast television is not a good enough indicator of someone's cognitive function.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12377 Posts
February 19 2019 19:56 GMT
#22608
Sounds like you'd be better off lowering the threshold to remove a president who is mentally incapacitated rather than stating there's an age limit to cognitive acuity. You're going to run into a bunch of issues if you create a rule like this.

And yeah you could also get rid of this 34-year-old thing.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 19 2019 19:59 GMT
#22609
Sure yeah, age isn't the best metric of cognitive function. I'm just pointing out that it's not particularly reasonable to say that age isn't a disqualifying factor when it literally already is.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 22:07:24
February 19 2019 22:06 GMT
#22610
Personal anecdote: As an Oregonian, I currently see people excited for 5 candidates: Bernie, Harris, Klobuchar, Beto and Warren. Very negative opinions of Biden and basically nothing about any other candidate.

The vast majority of people support Bernie with the "moderate" Oregonians splitting between Klobuchar and Beto. I think Biden's high numbers right now are just from politics noobs wanting Obama back after Trump. Once the Bernie machine gets fully ramped up, I expect a lot of people to drop out. Bernie is like this ultimate fusion of having all the benefits of an "establishment" candidate while also keeping all the benefits of being a ideologue/populist. Fundraising like crazy.

I honestly won't be surprised if Bernie ends up completely destroying this primary. I'm going to go hard for Bernie this time.

Also, "hindsight is 2020" is perhaps the best Bernie slogan ever.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 19 2019 22:12 GMT
#22611
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6219 Posts
February 19 2019 22:15 GMT
#22612
On February 20 2019 07:12 JimmiC wrote:
Who would be your ideal VP for Bernie? Someone like Beto who is "young" and more moderate? Someone not in the Pres race? Who are you thinking?


Definitely someone young.

Obama picked Biden because he was young and needed the appearance of a balanced experienced head, whereas Bernie has the opposite requirement.

Beto oozes charisma, and realistically doesn't have anywhere near the level of experience, so it'd be a good match.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12377 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 22:28:22
February 19 2019 22:23 GMT
#22613
On February 20 2019 07:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Also, "hindsight is 2020" is perhaps the best Bernie slogan ever.


Holy shit that's so good

I need to buy that t-shirt like yesterday
No will to live, no wish to die
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
February 19 2019 22:24 GMT
#22614
On February 20 2019 07:12 JimmiC wrote:
Who would be your ideal VP for Bernie? Someone like Beto who is "young" and more moderate? Someone not in the Pres race? Who are you thinking?


Beto, Klobuchar, one of the other "young" moderates.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 22:32:31
February 19 2019 22:28 GMT
#22615
This is an interesting thread about the Bernie campaign in 2016 by Sam Sanders, a reporter for NPR that covered it in person. He traveled with the campaign, as is typical of campaign reporting. His insights are interesting. In 2016, Bernie’s biggest problem seemed to be that he is a single issue candidate, focusing solely on the economy and not really caring about other issue. I think this is a result of him not really expecting to get as far as he did and struggle to both campaign and get a crash course in foreign policy and issues of criminal justice reform. From all reports, he has spent the last two years becoming more well rounded as a candidate.

Its kinda long, so I didn’t post the whole thing. But the tweets at connected, so you can just click the first one and read them all in order.

One more thing, Sam does touch on the “Bernie Bro” complains by saying that the campaign did have a “frat house” feel to it. You can see him respond to some specific questions about that if you go to the replies to that specific tweet. I do hope Sanders can reel in that specific problem this time around. Because I believe it really hurt him, giving my discussions with women who would have gladly voted for a far left candidate, but didn’t like Bernie.

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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 19 2019 22:30 GMT
#22616
I think Beto is a good VP pick for whoever makes it through.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
February 19 2019 22:33 GMT
#22617
On February 20 2019 07:30 On_Slaught wrote:
I think Beto is a good VP pick for whoever makes it through.


Same. He is good for any ticket. Bernie/Beto or Bernie/Klobuchar (if they can get along) are two really great combos IMO.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18843 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 22:48:36
February 19 2019 22:47 GMT
#22618
Harris or Klobuchar would be ideal VPs, though Beto would be fine too. I've got a vague feeling that Beto has some more unknown skeletons in his closet, but that's just a hunch.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
February 19 2019 22:57 GMT
#22619
On February 20 2019 07:47 farvacola wrote:
Harris or Klobuchar would be ideal VPs, though Beto would be fine too. I've got a vague feeling that Beto has some more unknown skeletons in his closet, but that's just a hunch.


Gotta be honest, I've had the same fear regarding Beto. Part of me also thinks someone who dug up something truly juicy would have decided to hold on to it until some presidential run.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
February 19 2019 23:10 GMT
#22620
On February 20 2019 07:47 farvacola wrote:
Harris or Klobuchar would be ideal VPs, though Beto would be fine too. I've got a vague feeling that Beto has some more unknown skeletons in his closet, but that's just a hunch.


Like sexual abuse acusations by staffers (I don't give them much credit, but they will start raining down on the primaries) or partying on the soviet union shirtless?
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