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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42641 Posts
February 19 2019 15:06 GMT
#22561
Reagan too. He didn’t know who he was at the tail end of his presidency. I’m still totally considering getting citizenship just to vote for Bernie though.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12171 Posts
February 19 2019 15:15 GMT
#22562
I'm considering going full kwizach for Bernie 2020 to be honest o/
No will to live, no wish to die
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
February 19 2019 15:45 GMT
#22563
Sanders, Brown, Harris, and Warren are my clear top four, in that order. Booker, Gabbard, and Biden are the very bottom, each would give me serious pause before sucking it up and voting against Trump.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 19 2019 15:53 GMT
#22564
In other very normal news, Thomas has set his eye on reconsidering libel laws in the era of Trump. Doing this would be handling power to both the government and the wealth to censor any publications they didn’t like through litigation.

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15685 Posts
February 19 2019 16:17 GMT
#22565
100% Bernie until he is mathematically eliminated.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 16:31:37
February 19 2019 16:31 GMT
#22566
On February 20 2019 00:53 Plansix wrote:
In other very normal news, Thomas has set his eye on reconsidering libel laws in the era of Trump. Doing this would be handling power to both the government and the wealth to censor any publications they didn’t like through litigation.

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1097873609006157824


I cant imagine even this court making such a controversial and so blatantly pro Trump decision.

Rumor has it that Thomas has been considering stepping down soon to allow Trump to replace him. Personally I'm all for it. There is nobody Trump would or could pick who could be worse than Thomas. Maybe as bad (unlikely), but def not worse. Get this guy off the court asap, even if it means adding another young Conservative to the court.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 19 2019 16:37 GMT
#22567
Frankly, I’m of the reverse opinion. The known quantity of Thomas should rot up there, complaining about all the cases he wishes he could take up but Roberts won’t let him.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 19 2019 16:59 GMT
#22568
What in the name of god is this? Why are we give nuclear weapons tech to Saudi Arabia and why are we just hearing about this?

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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 19 2019 17:02 GMT
#22569
Well, at least Dems took the House for things just like this.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13924 Posts
February 19 2019 17:19 GMT
#22570
I've said it before and I'll say it again klobushar is the best choice if you want an easy win and to build for future gains. Anyone ignoring her is playing the same games that lost in 2016.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 17:30:25
February 19 2019 17:28 GMT
#22571
Wow. Giving Saudia Arabia nuclear technology? Are they mad? Does the Trump administration not care that Saudi Arabia exports terrorism, and are indiscriminately bombing civilians in Yemen in their dreams for regional hegemony? For what possible reason can there be to allow nuclear technology to proliferate, to Saudi Arabia of all countries? It'll be safer to give all nuclear technology to North Korea. How much money did Saudi Arabia give them. They are traitors.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 19 2019 17:32 GMT
#22572
On February 20 2019 01:59 Plansix wrote:
What in the name of god is this? Why are we give nuclear weapons tech to Saudi Arabia and why are we just hearing about this?

https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1097901885162434561


Simple, Iran. Why on earth anyone would want to give Nuclear technology to the one nation that has exported Terrorism all over the world through the building of Mosques that teach Wahhabism is beyond me.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42641 Posts
February 19 2019 17:34 GMT
#22573
At least there’s not a regional rival to SA with its own nuclear tech which could respond in kind to this. That’d be really destabilizing for the region.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 19 2019 17:35 GMT
#22574
What does giving nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia got to do with Iran?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 17:47:20
February 19 2019 17:39 GMT
#22575
Straight up, this shit could cause a war. But I doubt anyone in the White House understands that. Given that Kushner is involved, I'm sure that it has something to do with Saudia Arabia lending to the Kushner family. Because it is well reported that they have been fishing for loans from that region half a decade or something. But if that is the case, my understanding of how bad it is in the White House needs to be re-calibrated.

On February 20 2019 02:35 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
What does giving nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia got to do with Iran?


Saudi Arabia and Iran do not like each other for many reasons. The US has been Saudi Arabia's ally, but only so far as to provide them with weapons to discourage a full scale conflict between Saudi Arabia, Iran and the larger region. Iraq used to be another big player, but the US messed that up. I don't know why we would sell Saudi Arabia this tech, but it is some idiotic plan to counter Iran, who the Trump administration is convinced are still developing nukes.

But if this is true, this will piss off a lot of people. Even outside the Middle East.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21665 Posts
February 19 2019 17:40 GMT
#22576
Haha, is it wrong I am 0% surprised that Trump tries to sell US nuclear technology to a foreign nation?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 17:48:10
February 19 2019 17:43 GMT
#22577
Saudi Arabia has slowly been reaching for this for over a decade. Hence the overtures to Pakistan, and China. Saudi Arabia and Iran hate each other. The only thing that has slowed them down this long is the death of AQ Khan, and US policy not to allow such a thing to happen. But since we have a "businessman" as POTUS now they saw their chance.

A military base deep inside Saudi Arabia appears to be testing and possibly manufacturing ballistic missiles, experts and satellite images suggest, evidence of the type of weapons program it has long criticized its archrival Iran for possessing.

Further raising the stakes for any such program are comments by Saudi Arabia's powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who said last year the kingdom wouldn't hesitate to develop nuclear weapons if Iran does. Ballistic missiles can carry nuclear warheads to targets thousands of kilometers (miles) away.


The images, first reported by The Washington Post, focus on a military base near the town of al-Dawadmi, some 230 kilometers (145 miles) west of Riyadh, the Saudi capital. Jane's Defence Weekly first identified the base in 2013, suggesting its two launch pads appear oriented to target Israel and Iran with ballistic missiles the kingdom previously bought from China.

The November satellite images show what appear to be structures big enough to build and fuel ballistic missiles. An apparent rocket-engine test stand can be seen in a corner of the base — the type on which a rocket is positioned on its side and test-fired in place. Such testing is key for countries attempting to manufacture working missiles, experts say.

Michael Elleman, the senior fellow for missile defense at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in Washington, also reviewed the satellite photos and said they appear to show a ballistic missile program.

The question remains where Saudi Arabia gained the technical know-how to build such a facility. Lewis said the Saudi stand closely resembles a design used by China, though it is smaller.

Chinese military support to the kingdom would not come as a surprise. The Chinese have increasingly sold armed drones to Saudi Arabia and other Mideast nations, even as the U.S. blocks sales of its own to allies over proliferation concerns. Beijing also sold Riyadh variants of its Dongfeng ballistic missiles, the only ones the kingdom was previously believed to have in its arsenal.


Source

PBS Frontline had a great show on this last year:

Part 1: https://www.pbs.org/video/bitter-rivals-iran-and-saudi-arabia-pqsnhk/

Part 2: https://www.pbs.org/video/bitter-rivals-iran-and-saudi-arabia-part-two-ka4dlm/
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 18:06:45
February 19 2019 17:55 GMT
#22578
The animosity between Iran and Saudia Arabia is one of the reasons why we have sold Saudia Arabia weapons over decades. Beyond being partner in the region, the theory has been that arming them would discourage conflict between them and Iran. Because a full scale conflict would far worse for the region than what we are seeing in Syria. And Mecca is in Saudia Arabia and I don't even want to speculate what the response from the wider region would be if Mecca became part of the conflict. It is a bad solution. But there are not a lot of great solutions in that region.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/trump-saudi-arabia-nuclear-power.html

Edit: The Times have a pretty extensive article on the subject. It sounds like this very bad plan has been floating around since Trump took office.

Edit 2: Apparently this was brought to the Republicans on the Oversight Committee and they ignored well over a year. And now they are complaining the Democrats took this report public without bipartisan support.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Lazare1969
Profile Joined September 2014
United States318 Posts
February 19 2019 17:58 GMT
#22579
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!



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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 19 2019 18:00 GMT
#22580
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