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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15468 Posts
February 19 2019 18:02 GMT
#22581
On February 20 2019 02:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!


Harris is old news at this point. This is currently a 4 person race between Biden, Klobuchar, Beto and Bernie
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 19 2019 18:03 GMT
#22582
On February 20 2019 02:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!


It only took 6 hours since Bernie entered the race for trash like this to come to the thread. These are not even funny.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Lazare1969
Profile Joined September 2014
United States318 Posts
February 19 2019 18:04 GMT
#22583
On February 20 2019 03:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 02:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!


It only took 6 hours since Bernie entered the race for trash like this to come to the thread. These are not even funny.

I agree. 2020 will be completely fair. Always trust CNN, MSNBC, NBC, New York Times, et al. They are trustworthy news sources.
6 trillion
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9486 Posts
February 19 2019 18:07 GMT
#22584
On February 20 2019 03:04 Lazare1969 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 03:03 Plansix wrote:
On February 20 2019 02:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!


It only took 6 hours since Bernie entered the race for trash like this to come to the thread. These are not even funny.

I agree. 2020 will be completely fair. Always trust CNN, MSNBC, NBC, New York Times, et al. They are trustworthy news sources.


I would go elsewhere but since Buzzfeed went under I don't even know who to trust any more.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 18:10:49
February 19 2019 18:10 GMT
#22585
On February 20 2019 03:02 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 02:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!


Harris is old news at this point. This is currently a 4 person race between Biden, Klobuchar, Beto and Bernie


Is that true? I was under the impression that Harris / Sanders was the most likely match-up.

On February 20 2019 03:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 02:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!


It only took 6 hours since Bernie entered the race for trash like this to come to the thread. These are not even funny.


Don't worry, everything's going to be fine. We'll get through this together.
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 18:16:05
February 19 2019 18:11 GMT
#22586
On February 20 2019 03:04 Lazare1969 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 03:03 Plansix wrote:
On February 20 2019 02:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!


It only took 6 hours since Bernie entered the race for trash like this to come to the thread. These are not even funny.

I agree. 2020 will be completely fair. Always trust CNN, MSNBC, NBC, New York Times, et al. They are trustworthy news sources.

You're not allowed to use "et al" unless you have previously stated the entire group you are referencing. The abbreviation only works if the reader is fully aware of all the parties involved. If you are going to use abbreviations, you have to use them correctly.

So can we get the full list of news networks and publications we should trust without reservation, according to Lazare1969?

On February 20 2019 03:10 Nebuchad wrote:

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 03:03 Plansix wrote:
On February 20 2019 02:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!


It only took 6 hours since Bernie entered the race for trash like this to come to the thread. These are not even funny.


Don't worry, everything's going to be fine. We'll get through this together.

I just kinda expected the poll to be funnier, tbh.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Lazare1969
Profile Joined September 2014
United States318 Posts
February 19 2019 18:33 GMT
#22587
On February 20 2019 03:11 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 03:04 Lazare1969 wrote:
On February 20 2019 03:03 Plansix wrote:
On February 20 2019 02:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!


It only took 6 hours since Bernie entered the race for trash like this to come to the thread. These are not even funny.

I agree. 2020 will be completely fair. Always trust CNN, MSNBC, NBC, New York Times, et al. They are trustworthy news sources.

So can we get the full list of news networks and publications we should trust without reservation, according to Lazare1969?

I don't know. You clearly know better than me. I stated that CNN, MSNBC, NBC and New York Times are trustworthy. Do you agree or disagree?
6 trillion
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 19 2019 18:33 GMT
#22588
--- Nuked ---
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 19 2019 18:35 GMT
#22589
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 19 2019 18:38 GMT
#22590
On February 20 2019 03:33 Lazare1969 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 03:11 Plansix wrote:
On February 20 2019 03:04 Lazare1969 wrote:
On February 20 2019 03:03 Plansix wrote:
On February 20 2019 02:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!


It only took 6 hours since Bernie entered the race for trash like this to come to the thread. These are not even funny.

I agree. 2020 will be completely fair. Always trust CNN, MSNBC, NBC, New York Times, et al. They are trustworthy news sources.

So can we get the full list of news networks and publications we should trust without reservation, according to Lazare1969?

I don't know. You clearly know better than me. I stated that CNN, MSNBC, NBC and New York Times are trustworthy. Do you agree or disagree?

I mean, its your opinion, so you really should be able to list off your trusted news sources.

I have a more nuanced opinion on believing news networks and publications. In a short summation, people should actively consume news and be aware of who is reporting, how they reported and what they choose to report. Over time, the person will be able to obtain an understand on who is doing quality reporting on a given subject and how to become better informed. Which involves consuming news from all the sources you listed and thinking critically about the reporting.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 19 2019 18:38 GMT
#22591
I was pretty happy with this poll.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 18:59:36
February 19 2019 18:50 GMT
#22592
I'm not even sure how to answer that poll because I don't know who "they" is. I guess it's the DNC? Maybe? Or the omniscient council of neoliberals that has control over social media as well as state-by-state open vs closed primary laws where pushing for open primaries seem at odds with the desire to get rid of blue-dog Dems and meanwhile caucuses are also still okay despite being quite the suppressant?

(it's also confusing, because the corporate media certainly did a poor job managing "their" agenda in 2016-their presentation of his odds versus the mathematical reality later in the campaign was pretty damn distorted, it's so damn hard to make a comeback in an over-time proportional setting)
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12045 Posts
February 19 2019 18:54 GMT
#22593
On February 20 2019 03:50 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I'm not even sure how to answer that poll because I don't know who "they" is. I guess it's the DNC? Maybe? Or the omniscient council of neoliberals that has control over social media as well as state-by-state open vs closed primary laws where pushing for open primaries seem at odds with the desire to get rid of blue-dog Dems and meanwhile caucuses are also still okay despite being quite the suppressant?


The capitalist class, probably.

Or the (((globalists))), depending on where this is coming from.
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 19 2019 19:01 GMT
#22594
On February 20 2019 02:39 Plansix wrote:
Straight up, this shit could cause a war. But I doubt anyone in the White House understands that. Given that Kushner is involved, I'm sure that it has something to do with Saudia Arabia lending to the Kushner family. Because it is well reported that they have been fishing for loans from that region half a decade or something. But if that is the case, my understanding of how bad it is in the White House needs to be re-calibrated.

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 02:35 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
What does giving nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia got to do with Iran?


Saudi Arabia and Iran do not like each other for many reasons. The US has been Saudi Arabia's ally, but only so far as to provide them with weapons to discourage a full scale conflict between Saudi Arabia, Iran and the larger region. Iraq used to be another big player, but the US messed that up. I don't know why we would sell Saudi Arabia this tech, but it is some idiotic plan to counter Iran, who the Trump administration is convinced are still developing nukes.

But if this is true, this will piss off a lot of people. Even outside the Middle East.

I am fully aware that Iran and Saudi Arabia are rivals in the region. What I was asking was what does Iran have to do with giving Saudi Arabia nuclear technology? Surely no-one is stupid enough to think giving nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia is an appropriate response to favouring Saudi Arabia as a regional power; and to what purpose would that be for anyways? For the purpose of oil stability, you don't want to give Saudi Arabia nuclear technology. It'll be like giving Isreal an excuse to bomb Saudi Arabia, and from there on it'll be like Syria but hundred times worse.
Lazare64
Profile Joined February 2019
2 Posts
February 19 2019 19:10 GMT
#22595
On February 20 2019 03:38 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 03:33 Lazare1969 wrote:
On February 20 2019 03:11 Plansix wrote:
On February 20 2019 03:04 Lazare1969 wrote:
On February 20 2019 03:03 Plansix wrote:
On February 20 2019 02:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!


It only took 6 hours since Bernie entered the race for trash like this to come to the thread. These are not even funny.

I agree. 2020 will be completely fair. Always trust CNN, MSNBC, NBC, New York Times, et al. They are trustworthy news sources.

So can we get the full list of news networks and publications we should trust without reservation, according to Lazare1969?

I don't know. You clearly know better than me. I stated that CNN, MSNBC, NBC and New York Times are trustworthy. Do you agree or disagree?

I mean, its your opinion, so you really should be able to list off your trusted news sources.

I have a more nuanced opinion on believing news networks and publications. In a short summation, people should actively consume news and be aware of who is reporting, how they reported and what they choose to report. Over time, the person will be able to obtain an understand on who is doing quality reporting on a given subject and how to become better informed. Which involves consuming news from all the sources you listed and thinking critically about the reporting.

I agree with that logic. If you must know, here are some of my favourite sources:

+ Show Spoiler +

https://stallman.org/archives/polnotes.html
https://www.democracyatwork.info
https://www.wsws.org
https://gizmodo.com
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/
https://www.truthdig.com/
https://wikileaks.org/
https://theintercept.com/


Feel free to ban me forever, I thought I was polite and cordial as one could be, yet you still chose to ban me for the highly arbitrary reason that you "did not think" my poll was "funny." That's fine, I would rather congregate with people who are critical thinkers and not so exclusionary of deviating views. I thought I could get along with from what I can tell are somewhere center-left to center-right, somewhat Americentric (many of you seem to think it's America's and Britain's duty to "spread democracy" around the world because our countries clearly know how best to run things, okay fine), but you don't seem very liberal I now realise. I am not a good fit for your group collective.

User was banned for this post.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12045 Posts
February 19 2019 19:16 GMT
#22596
Lazarus rising!

(I'll see myself out)
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 19 2019 19:19 GMT
#22597
--- Nuked ---
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-19 19:21:23
February 19 2019 19:21 GMT
#22598
Your greatest crime was that you just wasn't funny.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 19 2019 19:22 GMT
#22599
On February 20 2019 04:10 Lazare64 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2019 03:38 Plansix wrote:
On February 20 2019 03:33 Lazare1969 wrote:
On February 20 2019 03:11 Plansix wrote:
On February 20 2019 03:04 Lazare1969 wrote:
On February 20 2019 03:03 Plansix wrote:
On February 20 2019 02:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Poll: How will they rig the 2020 primaries for Kamala Harris?

(Vote): Biased corporate media coverage
(Vote): Convince the idiocracy her opponents are "agents of Russia"
(Vote): Superdelegates will select her
(Vote): Banning anti-Kamala Harris content off social media
(Vote): Google tweaking their search algorithms under the guise of combating "fake news"
(Vote): Party-sanctioned voter suppression
(Vote): All or a combination of the above
(Vote): It will be totally fair as was 2016 and you're just a misogynist, racist, Bernbro Putin-puppet!


It only took 6 hours since Bernie entered the race for trash like this to come to the thread. These are not even funny.

I agree. 2020 will be completely fair. Always trust CNN, MSNBC, NBC, New York Times, et al. They are trustworthy news sources.

So can we get the full list of news networks and publications we should trust without reservation, according to Lazare1969?

I don't know. You clearly know better than me. I stated that CNN, MSNBC, NBC and New York Times are trustworthy. Do you agree or disagree?

I mean, its your opinion, so you really should be able to list off your trusted news sources.

I have a more nuanced opinion on believing news networks and publications. In a short summation, people should actively consume news and be aware of who is reporting, how they reported and what they choose to report. Over time, the person will be able to obtain an understand on who is doing quality reporting on a given subject and how to become better informed. Which involves consuming news from all the sources you listed and thinking critically about the reporting.

I agree with that logic. If you must know, here are some of my favourite sources:

+ Show Spoiler +

https://stallman.org/archives/polnotes.html
https://www.democracyatwork.info
https://www.wsws.org
https://gizmodo.com
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/
https://www.truthdig.com/
https://wikileaks.org/
https://theintercept.com/


Feel free to ban me forever, I thought I was polite and cordial as one could be, yet you still chose to ban me for the highly arbitrary reason that you "did not think" my poll was "funny." That's fine, I would rather congregate with people who are critical thinkers and not so exclusionary of deviating views. I thought I could get along with from what I can tell are somewhere center-left to center-right, somewhat Americentric (many of you seem to think it's America's and Britain's duty to "spread democracy" around the world because our countries clearly know how best to run things, okay fine), but you don't seem very liberal I now realise. I am not a good fit for your group collective.

My guy, I'm not a moderator. You seem concerned critical thinking, but I feel you may want to work on those basic observation skills.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8000 Posts
February 19 2019 19:23 GMT
#22600
Martyrdom, ban dodging and shitposting all in one package? Great job.

Everything is always so vague. It's always "they", "the media", "the establishment", and never anything or anyone spesific in these conspiracies. It's almost like they have no idea what they're talking about and is trying to sell a general idea of fear rather than anything actual tangible.
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