EPTBernie seems to be keeping himself up to date, and I haven't really seen anything indicating that he's significantly limited due to his age. So I'm fine with him, even if I agree that ideally, he'd be 10 years younger.
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28784 Posts
Bernie seems to be keeping himself up to date, and I haven't really seen anything indicating that he's significantly limited due to his age. So I'm fine with him, even if I agree that ideally, he'd be 10 years younger. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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But I think his point about other candidates moving more towards his positions that were fringe in 2016, like medicare, and getting 15$ amazon wages and stuff he still has quite some power points. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9812 Posts
On February 19 2019 22:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Looking through twitter reactions on news articles a lot of people are real salty about Bernie, still blaming him for Trumps win. Of course they are. They wouldn't want to admit that Hilary was a terrible candidate. | ||
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Plansix
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22224 Posts
On February 19 2019 22:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I'm not denying that Bernie had a big influence, and that its felt in the 2020 Democratic field. I'm saying it would probably be better if he passed the torch, rather then try again himself.Looking through twitter reactions on news articles a lot of people are real salty about Bernie, still blaming him for Trumps win. Combined with his age and newer democratic candidates it might be a hard sell. But I think his point about other candidates moving more towards his positions that were fringe in 2016, like medicare, and getting 15$ amazon wages and stuff he still has quite some power points. And yeah Trump wasn't Bernie's fault. He made it clear people should vote for Hillary, that they didn't is on them. Not on Bernie. | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On February 19 2019 22:54 Plansix wrote: Sanders himself is fine, but I hope he does a better job running his campaign. He picked some real shitbags last time around, resulting in the claims of sexual harassment and stirring up shit every single time they didn’t win a primary. And there is a very real change he is eliminated early on in this crowded field. Can you be eliminated early if you stay in even when it's mathematically impossible for you to win like last election? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 19 2019 23:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Can you be eliminated early if you stay in even when it's mathematically impossible for you to win like last election? I believe so. Each primary is run by the state and everyone needs to apply in each state. I don’t think names are removed from the ballot, even if the person drops out. So you can keep campaigning even if you can’t win. Now, raising the money to fund that doomed campaign is likely impossible. But there is no way Sanders would try keep his going if there was no chance of him winning. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45481 Posts
On February 19 2019 22:12 Acrofales wrote: Age seems like a perfectly good reason. Especially in the primary when running mates aren't really talked about yet. You don't pick the president just on what he stands for, but also on his ability to execute. 79 is really flipping old, and even being in good health doesn't mean he will stay so when doing a high stress job for 4 years. And you don't elect Bernie to backdoor in his chosen VP: in that case just vote for who he wants as VP? I haven't found any evidence that Bernie wouldn't be able to execute based on his age. I haven't seen or heard instances of him appearing senile or otherwise compromised just because he's 79. Have you? And him getting to choose his VP as insurance is just an added benefit, to provide an additional argument against anyone who prefers Bernie over any other candidate but is primarily worried about his age. I'll concede that if there are other candidates who are essentially identical to Bernie, except younger, I might prefer them as president over Bernie, but for me, their political views come first while their age is far less of a factor. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45481 Posts
On February 19 2019 22:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Looking through twitter reactions on news articles a lot of people are real salty about Bernie, still blaming him for Trumps win. Combined with his age and newer democratic candidates it might be a hard sell. But I think his point about other candidates moving more towards his positions that were fringe in 2016, like medicare, and getting 15$ amazon wages and stuff he still has quite some power points. I don't understand why Bernie would be blamed for that; it's not like he ran as an independent and split the general election vote with Hillary to give the win for Trump. Blaming Bernie-or-bust supporters (or a dozen other groups or individuals) is one thing, but blaming Bernie seems silly. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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ThaddeusK
United States233 Posts
On February 19 2019 22:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: That "someone younger" could be his runningmate, allowing him to hand off the baton to whoever he feels would best champion his causes *if* he dies in office. I agree with you that he's old, but I'd much rather have an old, moral, intelligent president over a younger (Trump is 72 and in worse health than Bernie... that's the bar we're setting here, since Trump is currently president and all-but-guaranteed to be the Republican nominee for the general election), ignorant imbecile. I think if someone isn't going to support Bernie, it should be for reasons other than his age. Dying in office is the best outcome for an 80 year old becoming president, not the worst. Two years ago my grandmother was old, moral, and intelligent, today she doesn't know who I am. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45481 Posts
On February 19 2019 23:37 ticklishmusic wrote: i've made my feelings on bernie sanders abundantly clear before. if he wins i'll vote for him in the general but i'm not lifting a finger except the middle one otherwise. It might be too early to know for sure, but are there any candidates who look particularly appealing to you right now, who you'd happily select during the primary over the others? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The second thing is more nuanced. Because Bernie is an outsider to the democratic party and the actions of the DNC last election, it was very hard to have a discussion about criticisms of Bernie himself. It is far easier to have a discussion about the short comings some Harris or Booker taking money Democratic donors than it is to talk about why Bernie can’t seem to capture the votes of black democrats. For myself, there came a point where I just stopped every engaging with a discussion in this thread because of how vitriolic the response would be. And I think that some democrats are concerned that dynamic will present itself again. After all, if being the underdog vs the biased establishment is an effective way to campaign. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On February 19 2019 23:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It might be too early to know for sure, but are there any candidates who look particularly appealing to you right now, who you'd happily select during the primary over the others? Warren is probably my number one right now based on policies. I like Harris, Booker and Gillibrand a lot. Buttgieg is decent, but his chances are nil. Castro is about the same, though he doesn't have balls so maybe a bit lower. Klobuchar is a terrible boss, so she's on my shit list. Biden hasn't declared but he would be at the bottom. Gabbard is a neo con joke. | ||
KwarK
United States43877 Posts
On February 19 2019 23:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I haven't found any evidence that Bernie wouldn't be able to execute based on his age. I haven't seen or heard instances of him appearing senile or otherwise compromised just because he's 79. Have you? No, but it’s still correct to acknowledge the risk. People were right to acknowledge it with McCain 12 years ago and they’re right now. I’ll still support Bernie but it’s not just old Republicans at risk of mental decline. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45481 Posts
On February 19 2019 23:44 KwarK wrote: No, but it’s still correct to acknowledge the risk. People were right to acknowledge it with McCain 12 years ago and they’re right now. I’ll still support Bernie but it’s not just old Republicans at risk of mental decline. Ah, I disagreed with McCain on a majority of ideas and decisions he'd made, so I never really cared about his age. But I see the point you and others are making. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45481 Posts
On February 19 2019 23:44 ticklishmusic wrote: Warren is probably my number one right now based on policies. I like Harris, Booker and Gillibrand a lot. Buttgieg is decent, but his chances are nil. Castro is about the same, though he doesn't have balls so maybe a bit lower. Klobuchar is a terrible boss, so she's on my shit list. Biden hasn't declared but he would be at the bottom. Gabbard is a neo con joke. I was of the impression that Warren and Bernie were cut from mostly the same cloth, in terms of policies. | ||
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