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What you see is the death struggle of Islam not its expansion.
They come/flee to europe, the US and they will be assimilated without even knowig it.
For the majority their religious believes will be watered down with every generation, the same way it has happened with the christian believes. The younger ones who grew up here are not near as devout as their parents in general.
A few desperate lunatics can not slow this down, they only speed it up as the majority will get disinterested in religions associated with death and terror.
Their resistance is futile. They will be assimilated.
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Well, may you take them as your neighbours then friend. I would rather not have the extra bloodshed in my neighbourhood.
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I am sure once they got to know you, the feeling would be mutual.
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On June 15 2016 08:07 Holy_AT wrote:
What you see is the death struggle of Islam not its expansion.
They come/flee to europe, the US and they will be assimilated without even knowig it.
For the majority their religious believes will be watered down with every generation, the same way it has happened with the christian believes. The younger ones who grew up here are not near as devout as their parents in general.
A few desperate lunatics can not slow this down, they only speed it up as the majority will get disinterested in religions associated with death and terror.
Their resistance is futile. They will be assimilated.
Man that's wishful thinking if ever I saw it.
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On June 15 2016 08:07 Holy_AT wrote:
What you see is the death struggle of Islam not its expansion.
They come/flee to europe, the US and they will be assimilated without even knowig it.
For the majority their religious believes will be watered down with every generation, the same way it has happened with the christian believes. The younger ones who grew up here are not near as devout as their parents in general.
A few desperate lunatics can not slow this down, they only speed it up as the majority will get disinterested in religions associated with death and terror.
Their resistance is futile. They will be assimilated.
Muslims are in EU and US for several decades. I hardly see an assimilation of them, rather getting even more radical because of the discrimination. Of course some people dissolve in society and some stay as outliers but I couldn't imagine radicals will eventually perish eve if there would be no discrimination.
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@saocyn, first thing calm down. "Religion" and "innocent" don't sit with each other well throughout the history, like it or not. When it comes to religious believes, hate speeches given by the preachers and other public personalitiies and open propaganda of the prejudice and discrimination aren't examples of the announced freedom, it's the example of the oppression and enmity.
Need I to say twice civil countries should fight this and zealous fanatics should either update their world-view or got administered because they are potentially dangerous? If the harm has already been caused, the sentence would be in order. The road to hell is paved with a good intentions, after all.
Other than that, you are free to dismiss the struggles of the minorities, if you choose. But I'd like for you to imagine a picture, most radical Islamists are surely incapable of: imagine you were born gay. And just because of your sexual orientation by a word of the almighty loveful God you are sentenced to a brutal death without any dispute. When it comes to a mainstream Christianity, it's not as severe, but it's still disgraceful as fuck.
Does this barbaric culture makes someone happy, makes him feel a little bit special? "Innocent" religious believers if not limited can literally turn anyone's life into a living hell once they believe it's right and try to lobby down their opinion at any "inappropriate" issue seemed fit (be it aborts, science bans, sex and gender issues, the vaguiety of morality, etc). First step in the right direction would be removing the cloak of legal immunity for the Church's "management board" and restricting their influence in a public field.
Simply no one-party hate allowed, that shouldn't be that hard for a decent humant beings.
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Thoughts with the victims. This is just even more depressing, and seeing more hate springing out of this nauseates me...
Simply no one-party hate allowed, that shouldn't be that hard for a decent humant beings.
Alas...
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I disagree, that's discriminatory to Muslims. What about their right to take away your right?
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As a muslin this is so frustrating. My family and friends try to make a decent living not hurting no one. Trying to go one day with out somebody shouting shit as us for been muslin is so hard. It only takes one insane man to make the news and more hate pours from the sky.
What im trying to say is that not all that claim to be muslin are muslins. The fact that this insane man was gay is not why im commenting about it.
I can care less who he sleep with.
Been gay and muslin is a hard life and can be very depressing but no way in hell it means that you can kill someone over it.
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On June 17 2016 03:11 wargirl wrote:
What im trying to say is that not all that claim to be muslin are muslins. .
Except that a majority of your religious peers would absolutely disagree with you here and say that you're the one who isn't a real Muslim if you don't condemn gayness.
I think it's a copout to say 'But not all of us think like that!'
If you're part of a group, you have to own what the overwhelming majority of that group believes.
If you're in the Nazi party, you don't get to say 'Well don't all paint us with the same brush, a lot of us don't mind the jews!'
And stop it with that 'It's just one man' bullshit. It's like half a billion men.
This is the UN map of LGBT rights:
![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/LGBT_rights_at_the_UN.svg/800px-LGBT_rights_at_the_UN.svg.png)
Countries where there's the death penalty for 'gay acts':
Yemen: death for married men who engage in gay sex
Afghanistan: death for any man who engages in gay sex
Saudi Arabia: death for any man who engages in gay sex
UAE: death penalty de jure, but not de facto (according to UN and Human Rights Watch)
Somalia: death penalty in accordance with Sharia law
Sudan: death penalty for gay acts after three 'transgressions'
Mauritania: death penalty for gay Muslim men only
Care to find the common thread?
Now I don't make any pretense that 'the West' has a great or even reasonable track record of gay rights.
Even in my own home country, gay marriage is still not fully equal to traditional marriage and there's a lot of latent and not so latent homophobic shit going on.
But pretending those are the same, and pretending main-stream, not at all extreme, Islam isn't far worse in that regard, is dishonest and dangerous and jeopardises the progress that humanity made in making the world a more welcoming place for gays, transgendereds, bis and whatever else there is that I'm not aware of.
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I'd like to remind people that victims aren't falling in this whole idea of "Islam is the only threat"
https://www.colorlines.com/articles/watch-queer-and-trans-latinx-activists-explain-how-america-contributed-orlando-massacre
Fact is, in Europe, we've got an enormous number of people who've join a large campaign against LGBTQIA+'s right (la manif pour tous, started in France, then expanding in nearby countries). In Russia, "LGBTQIA+ "propaganda"" has been forbidden, And we've got around... what ? 100 anti-LGBTQIA+'s law in USA ?
Friendly reminder that the shooter pledge allegiance to several organisation who're at war witch each other, and that, according to his family, was not at all religious.
So... yeah, maybe it's a little bit more complicated. And the fact that this was a racist act of terror seems to be forgotten here too. Those weren't only LGBTQIA+'s people. They were latino's, and it was a latino's party.
Sure, we can use the whole idea of "there are worse country than ours, so we're good" but this doesn't change the fact that we are also responsible for those attack. All the time we act like this is a problem with Islam, we're completely forgetting that for each non-muslim killed by Daesh/al Qaeda/boko Haram, there's 10 muslim. We're forgetting the fact that those organisation only exist because our country are pillaging the others for century, making war all over the world in order to protect our interest, and that only those terrorist organisation have the ability to fight us. Trying to understand Islamism without imperialism of European&USA is missing the point. Religion has never been a reason for the war. It was always an excuse. (see the Crusade for example, for those who don't know, they weren't for the sake of Jerusalem. Their goal was to pacify Europe who had a shitton of war back in those days. In order to do that, they pointed a new ennemy, used religion in order to make people be forced to go to war.)
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On June 17 2016 04:54 Asarha wrote:
LGBTQIA+
You're just taking the piss now, aren't you?
What does QIA stand for?
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On June 17 2016 04:58 DickMcFanny wrote:You're just taking the piss now, aren't you? What does QIA stand for?
Pretty proud of your own ignorance today, aren't you?
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Queer, Intersex, Asexual/aromantic and + is for other categories. In fact MOGAI (marginalized orientations, gender alignment and intersex) would be really easier to read, but I doubt everyone know this accronym here, so I stayed with the "old" one.
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On June 17 2016 04:59 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2016 04:58 DickMcFanny wrote:On June 17 2016 04:54 Asarha wrote:
LGBTQIA+
You're just taking the piss now, aren't you? What does QIA stand for? Pretty proud of your own ignorance today, aren't you?
Ah fuck off, how is anyone supposed to keep up with that?
I'm extremely open and accepting of no matter how many letters you add, but you know full well that this is very recent in the public discussion.
Just months ago, everyone was talking about LGBT. I'm sorry I'm not on the bleeding edge of gender-non-binarity.
Until a couple of weeks, I didn't know I was cis-gendered. That doesn't mean I have anything against cis people, it just means I don't now the specialised nomenclature in a language that isn't my own.
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To be honest, LGBTQIA+ is a thing since... what.... 10 years ? At least something like that. ^^
But seriously, considere using MOGAI, it's better for a lot of reason.
But whatever, that wasn't the point of my post. The point was: we can't act like Islamism is unrelated to Western's imperialism.
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On June 17 2016 05:04 DickMcFanny wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2016 04:59 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2016 04:58 DickMcFanny wrote:On June 17 2016 04:54 Asarha wrote:
LGBTQIA+
You're just taking the piss now, aren't you? What does QIA stand for? Pretty proud of your own ignorance today, aren't you? Ah fuck off, how is anyone supposed to keep up with that? I'm extremely open and accepting of no matter how many letters you add, but you know full well that this is very recent in the public discussion. Just months ago, everyone was talking about LGBT. I'm sorry I'm not on the bleeding edge of gender-non-binarity. Until a couple of weeks, I didn't know I was cis-gendered. That doesn't mean I have anything against cis people, it just means I don't now the specialised nomenclature in a language that isn't my own.
Instead of attacking it because you didn't know what it was you could have just said nothing and looked it up. But either way, QIA isn't a new thing. They've been around for a while.
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On June 17 2016 05:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2016 05:04 DickMcFanny wrote:On June 17 2016 04:59 KwarK wrote:On June 17 2016 04:58 DickMcFanny wrote:On June 17 2016 04:54 Asarha wrote:
LGBTQIA+
You're just taking the piss now, aren't you? What does QIA stand for? Pretty proud of your own ignorance today, aren't you? Ah fuck off, how is anyone supposed to keep up with that? I'm extremely open and accepting of no matter how many letters you add, but you know full well that this is very recent in the public discussion. Just months ago, everyone was talking about LGBT. I'm sorry I'm not on the bleeding edge of gender-non-binarity. Until a couple of weeks, I didn't know I was cis-gendered. That doesn't mean I have anything against cis people, it just means I don't now the specialised nomenclature in a language that isn't my own. Instead of attacking it because you didn't know what it was you could have just said nothing and looked it up. But either way, QIA isn't a new thing. They've been around for a while.
I didn't attack it, I genuinely thought the guy was making a (harmless) joke.
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