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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
December 15 2014 06:59 GMT
#121
Why would they want an ISIL flag? Didnt they already bring one?
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
December 15 2014 07:04 GMT
#122
Clearly a mastermind. Forgot his flag.
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sths
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Australia192 Posts
December 15 2014 07:11 GMT
#123





1)an ISIL flag in exchange for a hostage


Gunman calling himself "The Brother"




ROFL this is just too hilarious. You just can not make this stuff up. I know, I know, don't joke about it but come on.... as an Australian you can't help but laugh. If this guy's name turns out to be Derka i swear to god I'm buying lotto tonight.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
December 15 2014 07:16 GMT
#124
i think this guy is just making this up as he goes along

of course this is just a speculation but since he seems so unprofessional I doubt he will actually kill anyone
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23585 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-15 07:19:39
December 15 2014 07:18 GMT
#125
On December 15 2014 15:59 Sub40APM wrote:
Why would they want an ISIL flag? Didnt they already bring one?



Considering the calls started at a right wing radio station and requesting an on air conversation with the PM it's probably just a bababooey waiting for an outlet gullible/greedy enough to give them a platform. Just going to have to wait to know for sure... Damn hostage taker, no consideration for the instant gratification complex we've collectively developed...

I was going to say some more effective ways that this guy could of gotten his message out rather than calling media (if he actually did) or holding up a flag but I don't want to put any ideas out there for stupid people who might try something like this in the future. Needless to say the guy is a moron when it comes to actually getting a specific message across.

It also dawned on me (thanks one) how generating generic hate against Muslims is as effective or more so than generating the terror itself. The terrorist don't want to get westerners on their side, and they know they can't win a conventional war on their own, they want Muslims to join them. Every time an innocent muslim is harassed, assaulted, abused, mocked or berated on a religious or racial level, etc... It's a win for the terrorist. It pushes moderate Muslims further from the west and makes more of the radical's rhetoric ring true in moderate Muslim lives.

Only about 2 hours until sunset in Sydney no? Anyone have some insight as to how night would change the strategic situation?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
December 15 2014 07:22 GMT
#126
On December 15 2014 16:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 15:59 Sub40APM wrote:
Why would they want an ISIL flag? Didnt they already bring one?



Considering the calls started at a right wing radio station and requesting an on air conversation with the PM it's probably just a bababooey waiting for an outlet gullible/greedy enough to give them a platform. Just going to have to wait to know for sure... Damn hostage taker, no consideration for the instant gratification complex we've collectively developed...

I was going to say some more effective ways that this guy could of gotten his message out rather than calling media (if he actually did) or holding up a flag but I don't want to put any ideas out there for stupid people who might try something like this in the future. Needless to say the guy is a moron when it comes to actually getting a specific message across.

It also dawned on me (thanks one) how generating generic hate against Muslims is as effective or more so than generating the terror itself. The terrorist don't want to get westerners on their side, and they know they can't win a conventional war on their own, they want Muslims to join them. Every time an innocent muslim is harassed, assaulted, abused, mocked or berated on a religious or racial level, etc... It's a win for the terrorist. It pushes moderate Muslims further from the west and makes more of the radical's rhetoric ring true in moderate Muslim lives.

Only about 2 hours until sunset in Sydney no? Anyone have some insight as to how night would change the strategic situation?


Well eventually all the crowds of people will go home and make things easier for the police to move around.
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
December 15 2014 07:26 GMT
#127
What an idiot...

Hope nobody gets killed but the two idiots doing the hostage taking.
sths
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Australia192 Posts
December 15 2014 07:28 GMT
#128

Only about 2 hours until sunset in Sydney no? Anyone have some insight as to how night would change the strategic situation?



Ninjas obviously, they're our number two weapon. The last line of defence before we go nuclear and deploy the mighty drop bear.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
December 15 2014 07:34 GMT
#129
Nun chuks? Those aren't even Australian.
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peanuts
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-15 07:36:04
December 15 2014 07:35 GMT
#130
On December 15 2014 15:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 15:03 peanuts wrote:
On December 15 2014 12:28 LilClinkin wrote:
This event seems staged to me. A single armed man carrying a blue bag takes hostages in a chocolate shop in Sydney CBD nearby one of the biggest media offices in the country (channel 7 building) and the US consulate building. He has harmed no one as of yet. He ordered one of the hostages to hold up a flag with islamic writing to a window. He seems to walk around comfortably in plain view of the window, with a big scary beard and wearing a bandanna, without any fear of retaliation from sniper units.

4 hours after onset of this incident, the NSW police have evacuated the surrounding area of the sydney CBD. The comissioner was just on TV saying he hpoes for a peaceful resolution to this conflict, even though they have yet to make direct contact with the armed man. WTF? 4 hours on and you haven't contacted the single man responsible for a hostage situation?

His bag could easily contain explosives with a dead man's switch. Also, he has an armed accomplice. Even if he is exposed, you don't take a shot with those two factors in play.


Where are people getting the accomplice from? I've only heard/seen that there was only one suspect (without confirmations of whether or not there are more)? Not sure what kind of deadman's switch you are imagining, but 6 hours is a long ass time to hold a denator down.

I heard the accomplice bit on ABC24. Also, a dead man's switch is basically a mechanism that has to be triggered every so often in order to prevent an action. Basically, inputting the numbers in the Hatch in Lost, to cite a pop culture instance.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23585 Posts
December 15 2014 07:37 GMT
#131
On December 15 2014 16:22 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 16:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 15 2014 15:59 Sub40APM wrote:
Why would they want an ISIL flag? Didnt they already bring one?



Considering the calls started at a right wing radio station and requesting an on air conversation with the PM it's probably just a bababooey waiting for an outlet gullible/greedy enough to give them a platform. Just going to have to wait to know for sure... Damn hostage taker, no consideration for the instant gratification complex we've collectively developed...

I was going to say some more effective ways that this guy could of gotten his message out rather than calling media (if he actually did) or holding up a flag but I don't want to put any ideas out there for stupid people who might try something like this in the future. Needless to say the guy is a moron when it comes to actually getting a specific message across.

It also dawned on me (thanks one) how generating generic hate against Muslims is as effective or more so than generating the terror itself. The terrorist don't want to get westerners on their side, and they know they can't win a conventional war on their own, they want Muslims to join them. Every time an innocent muslim is harassed, assaulted, abused, mocked or berated on a religious or racial level, etc... It's a win for the terrorist. It pushes moderate Muslims further from the west and makes more of the radical's rhetoric ring true in moderate Muslim lives.

Only about 2 hours until sunset in Sydney no? Anyone have some insight as to how night would change the strategic situation?


Well eventually all the crowds of people will go home and make things easier for the police to move around.


Doesn't really seem like their movement is impaired currently?

Should reduce the possibility of collateral damage if there are actually 2 bombs planted elsewhere.

The images of the gunman don't seem to show anything in his hands.. The images are pretty grainy but if he is holding a gun it cant be much larger than a Walther ppk (6/7 rounds per clip) And one of his hands is definitely empty so he certainly wasn't holing a gun and a detonator (in his hands) at the same time. I'm curious what he told the hostages would set off the bombs that is keeping them from just rushing him when he turns his back.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23585 Posts
December 15 2014 07:45 GMT
#132
On December 15 2014 16:35 peanuts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 15:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 15 2014 15:03 peanuts wrote:
On December 15 2014 12:28 LilClinkin wrote:
This event seems staged to me. A single armed man carrying a blue bag takes hostages in a chocolate shop in Sydney CBD nearby one of the biggest media offices in the country (channel 7 building) and the US consulate building. He has harmed no one as of yet. He ordered one of the hostages to hold up a flag with islamic writing to a window. He seems to walk around comfortably in plain view of the window, with a big scary beard and wearing a bandanna, without any fear of retaliation from sniper units.

4 hours after onset of this incident, the NSW police have evacuated the surrounding area of the sydney CBD. The comissioner was just on TV saying he hpoes for a peaceful resolution to this conflict, even though they have yet to make direct contact with the armed man. WTF? 4 hours on and you haven't contacted the single man responsible for a hostage situation?

His bag could easily contain explosives with a dead man's switch. Also, he has an armed accomplice. Even if he is exposed, you don't take a shot with those two factors in play.


Where are people getting the accomplice from? I've only heard/seen that there was only one suspect (without confirmations of whether or not there are more)? Not sure what kind of deadman's switch you are imagining, but 6 hours is a long ass time to hold a denator down.

I heard the accomplice bit on ABC24. Also, a dead man's switch is basically a mechanism that has to be triggered every so often in order to prevent an action. Basically, inputting the numbers in the Hatch in Lost, to cite a pop culture instance.


Ok because I have heard/seen from basically every other source that there are no reports of additional suspects (They are only referring to "THE gunman") . I don't think we should assume that there is more than one person unless we can get some legitimate confirmation. Since we are all here speculating, seems fine to speculate about but I think we should avoid stating as fact that there is more than one suspect until that can be credible sourced and confirmed.

Ok that makes more sense, but still seems quite a few levels above any sophistication he's demonstrated thus far. But I understand keeping it as a consideration.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
December 15 2014 08:20 GMT
#133
So idk but are they waiting to see if theres more than one taker? if hes been walking around the room like w/e why cant they just shoot him (i guess they might fear something in the store triggering after he dies but shouldnt they be looking for that information as fast as possible)

note: i dont know anything about police hostage situations
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23585 Posts
December 15 2014 08:42 GMT
#134
So the gunman is letting the people keep their cell phones, send out tweets and facebook posts, and some have even made phone calls reportedly.

I'm wondering if this guy has even watched a hostage situation in the movies or on TV...?

At this rate it looks like they could just wait until he falls asleep, or he just lets all of the hostages escape.

The guy didn't even fire the gun to demonstrate it was real as far as I can tell ,let alone actually commit some form of violence to demonstrate he would get violent if necessary. I wouldn't be surprised to see this guy get taken into custody. Australian police are a lot less likely to shoot and kill a suspect than US police.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
December 15 2014 09:01 GMT
#135




Will be interesting to hear that video after this is all over.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
December 15 2014 09:14 GMT
#136
Dat Abbott accent
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paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-15 09:28:30
December 15 2014 09:17 GMT
#137
This is a despicable and outrageous act of terror. I've noticed that the cowardly Australian press is trying so hard to play down the role of Islam despite the hostage taker flying a Islamic flag, is demanding an ISIS flag in exchange for 1 hostage (it's likely that the Islamic flag was used as a substitute because it's hard to acquire an ISIS flag), and according to a Facebook post from a hostage, the gunman says that he's associated with the "Islamic State of Australia". As far as I know, there's no such thing as the "Islamic State of Australia", so it is likely that this is the work of a lone religious lunatic. While the actions of the gunman doesn't represent all Muslims, to suggest that there's no connection with Islam at all, as the press and many others on social media are trying so hard to do, is delusional. When a gunman specifically makes a statement with a flag that reads "There is no God but Allah" and religiously-motivated demands, clearly he's not motivated by his religion at all. We saw exactly the same sort of deranged denial from "progressives" when Lee Rigby was killed on the streets of London while his murderer was yelling "Allahu Akbar" and people also had their heads in the sand on the role of Islam.

It is quite surreal hearing about this sort of terrible event in your own country. Another unfortunate side effect is that it has distracted from MYEFO, which has revealed that the budget deficit has blown out by a further $67B over 2014-2017 by a government which lied about a "budget emergency" under Labor, is obsessed with fixing the deficit that they've blown up, is spending even more money on school chaplaincies, while doing absolutely nothing to address the unemployment rate that is at a 12 year high.

The gunman hasn't shot anyone yet, so I think there's hope that this will end without anyone being killed.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
December 15 2014 09:24 GMT
#138
On December 15 2014 18:17 paralleluniverse wrote:
This is a despicable and outrageous act of terror. I've noticed that the cowardly Australian press is trying so hard to play down the role of Islam despite the hostage taker flying a Islamic flag, is demanding an ISIS flag in exchange for 1 hostage (it's likely that the Islamic flag was used as a substitute because it's hard to acquire an ISIS flag), and according to a Facebook post from a hostage, the gunman says that he's associated with the "Islamic State of Australia". As far as I know, there's no such thing as the "Islamic State of Australia", so it is likely that this is the work of a lone religious lunatic. While the actions of the gunman doesn't represent all Muslims, to suggest that there's no connection with Islam at all, as the press and many others on social media are trying so hard to do, is delusional. When a gunman specifically makes a statement with a flag that reads "There is no God but Allah" and religiously-motivated demands, clearly he's not motivated by his religion at all. We saw exactly the same sort of deranged denial from "progressives" when Lee Rigby was killed on the streets of London while his murderer was yelling "Allahu Akbar" and people also had their heads in the sand on the role of Islam.

It is quite surreal hearing about this sort of terrible event in your own country. Another unfortunate side effect is that it has distracted from MYEFO, which has revealed that the budget deficit has blown out by a further $67B over 2014-2017 by a government which lied about a "budget emergency" under Labor, is obsessed with fixing the deficit that they've blown up, is spending even more money on school chaplaincies, while doing absolutely nothing to address the unemployment rate that is at a 12 year high


You hit the spot dude. Political correctness made some people blind.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22211 Posts
December 15 2014 09:27 GMT
#139
On December 15 2014 18:17 paralleluniverse wrote:
This is a despicable and outrageous act of terror. I've noticed that the cowardly Australian press is trying so hard to play down the role of Islam despite the hostage taker flying a Islamic flag, is demanding an ISIS flag in exchange for 1 hostage (it's likely that the Islamic flag was used as a substitute because it's hard to acquire an ISIS flag), and according to a Facebook post from a hostage, the gunman says that he's associated with the "Islamic State of Australia". As far as I know, there's no such thing as the "Islamic State of Australia", so it is likely that this is the work of a lone religious lunatic. While the actions of the gunman doesn't represent all Muslims, to suggest that there's no connection with Islam at all, as the press and many others on social media are trying so hard to do, is delusional. When a gunman specifically makes a statement with a flag that reads "There is no God but Allah" and religiously-motivated demands, clearly he's not motivated by his religion at all. We saw exactly the same sort of deranged denial from "progressives" when Lee Rigby was killed on the streets of London while his murderer was yelling "Allahu Akbar" and people also had their heads in the sand on the role of Islam.

It is quite surreal hearing about this sort of terrible event in your own country. Another unfortunate side effect is that it has distracted from MYEFO, which has revealed that the budget deficit has blown out by a further $67B over 2014-2017 by a government which lied about a "budget emergency" under Labor, is obsessed with fixing the deficit that they've blown up, is spending even more money on school chaplaincies, while doing absolutely nothing to address the unemployment rate that is at a 12 year high

wrong to say this is a muslim problem. equally as wrong not to say that this is an islamist problem.

with regards to your second paragraph, i guess this is a good day to bury bad news
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ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
December 15 2014 09:31 GMT
#140
I don't see the press denying he has religious motivations, that is why they are also giving plenty of time to Muslim leaders to distance themselves from this guy. They have reported the facts, they are avoiding speculation.
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