Hostage Situation in Sydney, AUS - Page 7
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Sub40APM
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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sths
Australia192 Posts
1)an ISIL flag in exchange for a hostage Gunman calling himself "The Brother" ROFL this is just too hilarious. You just can not make this stuff up. I know, I know, don't joke about it but come on.... as an Australian you can't help but laugh. If this guy's name turns out to be Derka i swear to god I'm buying lotto tonight. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
of course this is just a speculation but since he seems so unprofessional I doubt he will actually kill anyone | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23585 Posts
On December 15 2014 15:59 Sub40APM wrote: Why would they want an ISIL flag? Didnt they already bring one? Considering the calls started at a right wing radio station and requesting an on air conversation with the PM it's probably just a bababooey waiting for an outlet gullible/greedy enough to give them a platform. Just going to have to wait to know for sure... Damn hostage taker, no consideration for the instant gratification complex we've collectively developed... I was going to say some more effective ways that this guy could of gotten his message out rather than calling media (if he actually did) or holding up a flag but I don't want to put any ideas out there for stupid people who might try something like this in the future. Needless to say the guy is a moron when it comes to actually getting a specific message across. It also dawned on me (thanks one) how generating generic hate against Muslims is as effective or more so than generating the terror itself. The terrorist don't want to get westerners on their side, and they know they can't win a conventional war on their own, they want Muslims to join them. Every time an innocent muslim is harassed, assaulted, abused, mocked or berated on a religious or racial level, etc... It's a win for the terrorist. It pushes moderate Muslims further from the west and makes more of the radical's rhetoric ring true in moderate Muslim lives. Only about 2 hours until sunset in Sydney no? Anyone have some insight as to how night would change the strategic situation? | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
On December 15 2014 16:18 GreenHorizons wrote: Considering the calls started at a right wing radio station and requesting an on air conversation with the PM it's probably just a bababooey waiting for an outlet gullible/greedy enough to give them a platform. Just going to have to wait to know for sure... Damn hostage taker, no consideration for the instant gratification complex we've collectively developed... I was going to say some more effective ways that this guy could of gotten his message out rather than calling media (if he actually did) or holding up a flag but I don't want to put any ideas out there for stupid people who might try something like this in the future. Needless to say the guy is a moron when it comes to actually getting a specific message across. It also dawned on me (thanks one) how generating generic hate against Muslims is as effective or more so than generating the terror itself. The terrorist don't want to get westerners on their side, and they know they can't win a conventional war on their own, they want Muslims to join them. Every time an innocent muslim is harassed, assaulted, abused, mocked or berated on a religious or racial level, etc... It's a win for the terrorist. It pushes moderate Muslims further from the west and makes more of the radical's rhetoric ring true in moderate Muslim lives. Only about 2 hours until sunset in Sydney no? Anyone have some insight as to how night would change the strategic situation? Well eventually all the crowds of people will go home and make things easier for the police to move around. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
Hope nobody gets killed but the two idiots doing the hostage taking. | ||
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sths
Australia192 Posts
Only about 2 hours until sunset in Sydney no? Anyone have some insight as to how night would change the strategic situation? Ninjas obviously, they're our number two weapon. The last line of defence before we go nuclear and deploy the mighty drop bear. | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
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peanuts
United States1225 Posts
On December 15 2014 15:10 GreenHorizons wrote: Where are people getting the accomplice from? I've only heard/seen that there was only one suspect (without confirmations of whether or not there are more)? Not sure what kind of deadman's switch you are imagining, but 6 hours is a long ass time to hold a denator down. I heard the accomplice bit on ABC24. Also, a dead man's switch is basically a mechanism that has to be triggered every so often in order to prevent an action. Basically, inputting the numbers in the Hatch in Lost, to cite a pop culture instance. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23585 Posts
On December 15 2014 16:22 ROOTiaguz wrote: Well eventually all the crowds of people will go home and make things easier for the police to move around. Doesn't really seem like their movement is impaired currently? Should reduce the possibility of collateral damage if there are actually 2 bombs planted elsewhere. The images of the gunman don't seem to show anything in his hands.. The images are pretty grainy but if he is holding a gun it cant be much larger than a Walther ppk (6/7 rounds per clip) And one of his hands is definitely empty so he certainly wasn't holing a gun and a detonator (in his hands) at the same time. I'm curious what he told the hostages would set off the bombs that is keeping them from just rushing him when he turns his back. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23585 Posts
On December 15 2014 16:35 peanuts wrote: I heard the accomplice bit on ABC24. Also, a dead man's switch is basically a mechanism that has to be triggered every so often in order to prevent an action. Basically, inputting the numbers in the Hatch in Lost, to cite a pop culture instance. Ok because I have heard/seen from basically every other source that there are no reports of additional suspects (They are only referring to "THE gunman") . I don't think we should assume that there is more than one person unless we can get some legitimate confirmation. Since we are all here speculating, seems fine to speculate about but I think we should avoid stating as fact that there is more than one suspect until that can be credible sourced and confirmed. Ok that makes more sense, but still seems quite a few levels above any sophistication he's demonstrated thus far. But I understand keeping it as a consideration. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
note: i dont know anything about police hostage situations | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23585 Posts
I'm wondering if this guy has even watched a hostage situation in the movies or on TV...? At this rate it looks like they could just wait until he falls asleep, or he just lets all of the hostages escape. The guy didn't even fire the gun to demonstrate it was real as far as I can tell ,let alone actually commit some form of violence to demonstrate he would get violent if necessary. I wouldn't be surprised to see this guy get taken into custody. Australian police are a lot less likely to shoot and kill a suspect than US police. | ||
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ControlMonkey
Australia3109 Posts
Will be interesting to hear that video after this is all over. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
It is quite surreal hearing about this sort of terrible event in your own country. Another unfortunate side effect is that it has distracted from MYEFO, which has revealed that the budget deficit has blown out by a further $67B over 2014-2017 by a government which lied about a "budget emergency" under Labor, is obsessed with fixing the deficit that they've blown up, is spending even more money on school chaplaincies, while doing absolutely nothing to address the unemployment rate that is at a 12 year high. The gunman hasn't shot anyone yet, so I think there's hope that this will end without anyone being killed. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On December 15 2014 18:17 paralleluniverse wrote: This is a despicable and outrageous act of terror. I've noticed that the cowardly Australian press is trying so hard to play down the role of Islam despite the hostage taker flying a Islamic flag, is demanding an ISIS flag in exchange for 1 hostage (it's likely that the Islamic flag was used as a substitute because it's hard to acquire an ISIS flag), and according to a Facebook post from a hostage, the gunman says that he's associated with the "Islamic State of Australia". As far as I know, there's no such thing as the "Islamic State of Australia", so it is likely that this is the work of a lone religious lunatic. While the actions of the gunman doesn't represent all Muslims, to suggest that there's no connection with Islam at all, as the press and many others on social media are trying so hard to do, is delusional. When a gunman specifically makes a statement with a flag that reads "There is no God but Allah" and religiously-motivated demands, clearly he's not motivated by his religion at all. We saw exactly the same sort of deranged denial from "progressives" when Lee Rigby was killed on the streets of London while his murderer was yelling "Allahu Akbar" and people also had their heads in the sand on the role of Islam. It is quite surreal hearing about this sort of terrible event in your own country. Another unfortunate side effect is that it has distracted from MYEFO, which has revealed that the budget deficit has blown out by a further $67B over 2014-2017 by a government which lied about a "budget emergency" under Labor, is obsessed with fixing the deficit that they've blown up, is spending even more money on school chaplaincies, while doing absolutely nothing to address the unemployment rate that is at a 12 year high You hit the spot dude. Political correctness made some people blind. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22211 Posts
On December 15 2014 18:17 paralleluniverse wrote: This is a despicable and outrageous act of terror. I've noticed that the cowardly Australian press is trying so hard to play down the role of Islam despite the hostage taker flying a Islamic flag, is demanding an ISIS flag in exchange for 1 hostage (it's likely that the Islamic flag was used as a substitute because it's hard to acquire an ISIS flag), and according to a Facebook post from a hostage, the gunman says that he's associated with the "Islamic State of Australia". As far as I know, there's no such thing as the "Islamic State of Australia", so it is likely that this is the work of a lone religious lunatic. While the actions of the gunman doesn't represent all Muslims, to suggest that there's no connection with Islam at all, as the press and many others on social media are trying so hard to do, is delusional. When a gunman specifically makes a statement with a flag that reads "There is no God but Allah" and religiously-motivated demands, clearly he's not motivated by his religion at all. We saw exactly the same sort of deranged denial from "progressives" when Lee Rigby was killed on the streets of London while his murderer was yelling "Allahu Akbar" and people also had their heads in the sand on the role of Islam. It is quite surreal hearing about this sort of terrible event in your own country. Another unfortunate side effect is that it has distracted from MYEFO, which has revealed that the budget deficit has blown out by a further $67B over 2014-2017 by a government which lied about a "budget emergency" under Labor, is obsessed with fixing the deficit that they've blown up, is spending even more money on school chaplaincies, while doing absolutely nothing to address the unemployment rate that is at a 12 year high wrong to say this is a muslim problem. equally as wrong not to say that this is an islamist problem. with regards to your second paragraph, i guess this is a good day to bury bad news | ||
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ControlMonkey
Australia3109 Posts
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