Hostage Situation in Sydney, AUS

On December 15 2014 09:28 oBlade wrote:
What kind of scum takes hostages at a cafe...

On December 15 2014 09:32 ahswtini wrote:
if you are in sydney, stay safe and do not tweet details of police activity - jihadists follow social media

On December 15 2014 09:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Live stream:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24/

On December 15 2014 09:53 GreenHorizons wrote:


Goodness their coverage is so much more responsible than I am used to.

On December 15 2014 09:58 ROOTiaguz wrote:
They're forcing hostages to hold up the Shahahdah which seems kind of silly in a city full of people that can't read Arabic.

Channel7 news reporting that an individual walked into a Sydney hospital with a suspicious package, and then disappeared and is currently missing. [12:57 GMT]

Hostages being held in 2 different groups according to unidentified Lindt chocolate cafe employee who managed to escape [12:55 GMT]

On December 15 2014 09:59 ControlMonkey wrote:
Apparently there have been some anti-terror raids this morning, which may or may not be related to this seige.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-15/man-arrested-in-suspected-sydney-terror-raid-reports/5967148

Reports of threats made against other places in Sydney according to ABC24 (CONFIRMED). [12:14GMT]

2 gunmen confirmed by unidentified Lindt chocolate cafe employee who managed to escape [12:54 GMT]

On December 15 2014 10:10 ROOTiaguz wrote:


From Guardian Australia:



"I am seeing a lot of people tweeting/asking about the supposed police raids taking place in Lakemba at the same time as the siege. Ray Hadley, a conservative presenter with 2GB, said raids of homes in Lakemba, which has a large Muslim population, were taking place now.

Sources have told my colleague, Michael Safi, there are no raids underway in that suburb. About 20 police are touring the Lakemba mosque as part of a police induction day, which may have been the source of those reports."

On December 15 2014 10:26 GTR wrote:


This is what I think as well. A lot of stuff that actual terrorists would have done by now hasn't been done yet.

On December 15 2014 10:31 ROOTiaguz wrote:


What would actual terrorists do? Blow something up?

On December 15 2014 11:18 sths wrote:
Is it too early to make jokes? Because I want to make jokes about our first terror attack being inside a coffee shop....

On December 15 2014 10:49 Fyrex wrote:
Apprently there are FIFTY people being held hostage in the cafe, according to BBC and Lindtt.
https://twitter.com/bbcbreaking

On December 15 2014 11:23 ControlMonkey wrote:
That number is not confirmed, it would seem to be speculation.

On December 15 2014 11:21 AssyrianKing wrote:
Why are we letting them in... They won't let my auntie in from Iran who is CHRISTIAN but instead they are letting in these retards -.-

On December 15 2014 11:21 AssyrianKing wrote:
Why are we letting them in... They won't let my auntie in from Iran who is CHRISTIAN but instead they are letting in these retards -.-

On December 15 2014 11:27 AssyrianKing wrote:

You dont know how much shit my people got from them in the middle east, your sitting there with your seat comfortable talking shit when my people actually have endured and are still enduring their shit!

On December 15 2014 11:21 AssyrianKing wrote:
Why are we letting them in... They won't let my auntie in from Iran who is CHRISTIAN but instead they are letting in these retards -.-

On December 15 2014 11:42 Daralii wrote:

Wouldn't the extremists just lie and say they weren't Muslim? Or would you just refuse people from Muslim nations, which would possibly put the innocents that want out in harm's way?

Even if Islam experienced the reform it desperately needs, I don't think this would stop with the Middle East's condition being what it is.

On December 15 2014 11:49 Shake n Blake wrote:


Indeed they would lie, Taqiyya permits Muslims to lie about their beliefs to non-Muslims as a form of deception.

Now's probably a good time to share this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY&list=FLkKQVLmi4AZT54Z98kh_G-g&index=1

On December 15 2014 11:18 sths wrote:
Is it too early to make jokes? Because I want to make jokes about our first terror attack being inside a coffee shop....

On December 15 2014 12:01 Oktyabr wrote:
does anybody know what their actual demands are?

On December 15 2014 12:29 LilClinkin wrote:
The big media channels keep talking about islamic state even though hours ago it was confirmed that the flag was not an islamic state flag.

On December 15 2014 12:27 sgtnoobkilla wrote:
^ A jihadi with nothing to lose isn't going to negotiate.

I'd say he's a lone wolf inspired by ISIS or some other whackjob cleric from Iraq.

On December 15 2014 12:28 LilClinkin wrote:
This event seems staged to me. A single armed man carrying a blue bag takes hostages in a chocolate shop in Sydney CBD nearby one of the biggest media offices in the country (channel 7 building) and the US consulate building. He has harmed no one as of yet. He ordered one of the hostages to hold up a flag with islamic writing to a window. He seems to walk around comfortably in plain view of the window, with a big scary beard and wearing a bandanna, without any fear of retaliation from sniper units.

4 hours after onset of this incident, the NSW police have evacuated the surrounding area of the sydney CBD. The comissioner was just on TV saying he hpoes for a peaceful resolution to this conflict, even though they have yet to make direct contact with the armed man. WTF? 4 hours on and you haven't contacted the single man responsible for a hostage situation?

On December 15 2014 12:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So did Lindit refuse to become Halal certified or w/e? Seeing that going around on Twitter.

On December 15 2014 12:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So did Lindit refuse to become Halal certified or w/e? Seeing that going around on Twitter.

On December 15 2014 13:47 AssyrianKing wrote:

Keep laughing, but I am not going to let what happened to my people's home and to my people themselves happen here, your people aren't the ones being persecuted for the past 1400 years and forcefully converted, used as sex slaves, raped and murdered

On December 15 2014 13:47 AssyrianKing wrote:

Keep laughing, but I am not going to let what happened to my people's home and to my people themselves happen here, your people aren't the ones being persecuted for the past 1400 years and forcefully converted, used as sex slaves, raped and murdered

On December 15 2014 13:37 oneofthem wrote:
i'll say two things.

moderate, integrated muslims is the best resource we have against radicalism.
simple categorical demonization of muslims is the worst thing we can do against radicalism.

On December 15 2014 14:32 Belisarius wrote:
Short clip of two of the dudes escaping. Not sure how to embed.

https://vine.co/v/O6lZHDMUlYj

On December 15 2014 15:03 peanuts wrote:

His bag could easily contain explosives with a dead man's switch. Also, he has an armed accomplice. Even if he is exposed, you don't take a shot with those two factors in play.

On December 15 2014 15:03 peanuts wrote:

His bag could easily contain explosives with a dead man's switch. Also, he has an armed accomplice. Even if he is exposed, you don't take a shot with those two factors in play.

On December 15 2014 15:32 icystorage wrote:
im really curious if the SAS has been called in for this

On December 15 2014 15:32 icystorage wrote:
im really curious if the SAS has been called in for this

On December 15 2014 15:32 LilClinkin wrote:
A lot of unanswered questions. I will say this is convenient for our currently unpopular government, who today are announcing mid-year budget deficit of $40 billion.

On December 15 2014 15:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
Watching the video of the hostages getting away it does look like the police were not expecting them, making me think they might have escaped as opposed to being let go.

On December 15 2014 15:48 Sub40APM wrote:

Also seems weird how the police werent covering the exits.

1)an ISIL flag in exchange for a hostage


Gunman calling himself "The Brother"

On December 15 2014 15:59 Sub40APM wrote:
Why would they want an ISIL flag? Didnt they already bring one?

On December 15 2014 16:18 GreenHorizons wrote:



Considering the calls started at a right wing radio station and requesting an on air conversation with the PM it's probably just a bababooey waiting for an outlet gullible/greedy enough to give them a platform. Just going to have to wait to know for sure... Damn hostage taker, no consideration for the instant gratification complex we've collectively developed...

I was going to say some more effective ways that this guy could of gotten his message out rather than calling media (if he actually did) or holding up a flag but I don't want to put any ideas out there for stupid people who might try something like this in the future. Needless to say the guy is a moron when it comes to actually getting a specific message across.

It also dawned on me (thanks one) how generating generic hate against Muslims is as effective or more so than generating the terror itself. The terrorist don't want to get westerners on their side, and they know they can't win a conventional war on their own, they want Muslims to join them. Every time an innocent muslim is harassed, assaulted, abused, mocked or berated on a religious or racial level, etc... It's a win for the terrorist. It pushes moderate Muslims further from the west and makes more of the radical's rhetoric ring true in moderate Muslim lives.

Only about 2 hours until sunset in Sydney no? Anyone have some insight as to how night would change the strategic situation?

Only about 2 hours until sunset in Sydney no? Anyone have some insight as to how night would change the strategic situation?

On December 15 2014 16:22 ROOTiaguz wrote:


Well eventually all the crowds of people will go home and make things easier for the police to move around.

On December 15 2014 16:35 peanuts wrote:

I heard the accomplice bit on ABC24. Also, a dead man's switch is basically a mechanism that has to be triggered every so often in order to prevent an action. Basically, inputting the numbers in the Hatch in Lost, to cite a pop culture instance.

On December 15 2014 18:17 paralleluniverse wrote:
This is a despicable and outrageous act of terror. I've noticed that the cowardly Australian press is trying so hard to play down the role of Islam despite the hostage taker flying a Islamic flag, is demanding an ISIS flag in exchange for 1 hostage (it's likely that the Islamic flag was used as a substitute because it's hard to acquire an ISIS flag), and according to a Facebook post from a hostage, the gunman says that he's associated with the "Islamic State of Australia". As far as I know, there's no such thing as the "Islamic State of Australia", so it is likely that this is the work of a lone religious lunatic. While the actions of the gunman doesn't represent all Muslims, to suggest that there's no connection with Islam at all, as the press and many others on social media are trying so hard to do, is delusional. When a gunman specifically makes a statement with a flag that reads "There is no God but Allah" and religiously-motivated demands, clearly he's not motivated by his religion at all. We saw exactly the same sort of deranged denial from "progressives" when Lee Rigby was killed on the streets of London while his murderer was yelling "Allahu Akbar" and people also had their heads in the sand on the role of Islam.

It is quite surreal hearing about this sort of terrible event in your own country. Another unfortunate side effect is that it has distracted from MYEFO, which has revealed that the budget deficit has blown out by a further $67B over 2014-2017 by a government which lied about a "budget emergency" under Labor, is obsessed with fixing the deficit that they've blown up, is spending even more money on school chaplaincies, while doing absolutely nothing to address the unemployment rate that is at a 12 year high

On December 15 2014 18:17 paralleluniverse wrote:
This is a despicable and outrageous act of terror. I've noticed that the cowardly Australian press is trying so hard to play down the role of Islam despite the hostage taker flying a Islamic flag, is demanding an ISIS flag in exchange for 1 hostage (it's likely that the Islamic flag was used as a substitute because it's hard to acquire an ISIS flag), and according to a Facebook post from a hostage, the gunman says that he's associated with the "Islamic State of Australia". As far as I know, there's no such thing as the "Islamic State of Australia", so it is likely that this is the work of a lone religious lunatic. While the actions of the gunman doesn't represent all Muslims, to suggest that there's no connection with Islam at all, as the press and many others on social media are trying so hard to do, is delusional. When a gunman specifically makes a statement with a flag that reads "There is no God but Allah" and religiously-motivated demands, clearly he's not motivated by his religion at all. We saw exactly the same sort of deranged denial from "progressives" when Lee Rigby was killed on the streets of London while his murderer was yelling "Allahu Akbar" and people also had their heads in the sand on the role of Islam.

It is quite surreal hearing about this sort of terrible event in your own country. Another unfortunate side effect is that it has distracted from MYEFO, which has revealed that the budget deficit has blown out by a further $67B over 2014-2017 by a government which lied about a "budget emergency" under Labor, is obsessed with fixing the deficit that they've blown up, is spending even more money on school chaplaincies, while doing absolutely nothing to address the unemployment rate that is at a 12 year high

On December 15 2014 16:28 sths wrote:



Ninjas obviously, they're our number two weapon. The last line of defence before we go nuclear and deploy the mighty drop bear.

On December 15 2014 15:32 LilClinkin wrote:
A lot of unanswered questions. I will say this is convenient for our currently unpopular government, who today are announcing mid-year budget deficit of $40 billion.

On December 15 2014 18:27 ahswtini wrote:

wrong to say this is a muslim problem. equally as wrong not to say that this is an islamist problem.

with regards to your second paragraph, i guess this is a good day to bury bad news

On December 15 2014 19:06 GTR wrote:
Decided to take a nap, any updates since the three escaped?

On December 15 2014 18:17 paralleluniverse wrote:
This is a despicable and outrageous act of terror. I've noticed that the cowardly Australian press is trying so hard to play down the role of Islam despite the hostage taker flying a Islamic flag, is demanding an ISIS flag in exchange for 1 hostage (it's likely that the Islamic flag was used as a substitute because it's hard to acquire an ISIS flag), and according to a Facebook post from a hostage, the gunman says that he's associated with the "Islamic State of Australia". As far as I know, there's no such thing as the "Islamic State of Australia", so it is likely that this is the work of a lone religious lunatic. While the actions of the gunman doesn't represent all Muslims, to suggest that there's no connection with Islam at all, as the press and many others on social media are trying so hard to do, is delusional. When a gunman specifically makes a statement with a flag that reads "There is no God but Allah" and religiously-motivated demands, clearly he's not motivated by his religion at all. We saw exactly the same sort of deranged denial from "progressives" when Lee Rigby was killed on the streets of London while his murderer was yelling "Allahu Akbar" and people also had their heads in the sand on the role of Islam.

It is quite surreal hearing about this sort of terrible event in your own country. Another unfortunate side effect is that it has distracted from MYEFO, which has revealed that the budget deficit has blown out by a further $67B over 2014-2017 by a government which lied about a "budget emergency" under Labor, is obsessed with fixing the deficit that they've blown up, is spending even more money on school chaplaincies, while doing absolutely nothing to address the unemployment rate that is at a 12 year high.

The gunman hasn't shot anyone yet, so I think there's hope that this will end without anyone being killed.

On December 15 2014 19:10 zeo wrote:

How is this not a muslim problem? Of course not all muslims are terrorists, but at the same time all these terrorists are muslims. This is a problem that muslim communities should be fighting against themselves, these loonies don't just pop out of anywhere. There is no out-of-the-box ready-to-use terrorist, it takes years to get indoctrinated to the point where you do something like this. Where are this guys friends and family? No one in the muslim community noticed anything about a group of muslims acting radicalized?

These communities keep very close, why make the choice to turn a blind eye to bad apples in your community? We can do nothing until the muslim communities start weeding out their own poison. Of course we should help them as much as possible but this is their fight, not ours.

edit: Just like a bunch of christians going around killing people and calling for a 5th crusade would be a christian problem.

On December 15 2014 19:19 LilClinkin wrote:


Earlier in the day, mainstream outlets like channel 7 and 9 were speculating wildly about connections to IS, Al-Quaeda, and Jemaah Islamiyah in Indonesia, even though there was and still is no hard evidence to suggest what the affiliations of this individual are. I think in times like this, it is very important to NOT speculate, because media outlets are very powerful and their speculations can be more harmful and long-lasting than the acts of the individual perpetrating the crimes. The most extreme example of sensationalism I've seen today is in image below (screen cap from Daily Telegraph Sydney):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B43i66DCEAADmSr.png:large

The role of media is to keep the public informed on world events, and I don't feel comfortable with the way our mainstream media has handled this situation. I also don't feel comfortable with the ongoing lack of information we have regarding the motivations of this event. Some of our major media outlets have been informed what the demands of this individual are, and are keeping quiet. I understand if there is a need for public safety to maintain silence, however this goes both ways. For instance, we still don't know whether the hostages escaped or were released. Why is that? If you can explain a legitimate reason why disseminating this specific piece of information would jeopardise the safety of civilians or intelligence sources of the authorities, please let me know.

Personally, I feel that there is a deliberate lack of information sharing to the public to purposefully fuel our fears and speculations. I wish I could feel more trusting of our authorities and media, but I just don't.

PS. If any of my info in this post is out-of-date, I apologise

On December 15 2014 19:24 Plexa wrote:

It's completely understandable that there's a lack of information out about this and an unwillingness to disclose information from responsible media outlets. This guy is clearly monitoring/exploiting traditional and social media so controlling information as to not confirm his tactics are working is important. Additionally, not much good is done if media report on the existence of 2 other bombs in Sydney (in addition to 2 in the cafe) particularly when police have swept the area and have not found anything.

On December 15 2014 18:31 ControlMonkey wrote:
I don't see the press denying he has religious motivations, that is why they are also giving plenty of time to Muslim leaders to distance themselves from this guy. They have reported the facts, they are avoiding speculation.

On December 15 2014 19:27 LilClinkin wrote:


I understand why certain info would need to be kept undisclosed. However, a particular piece of info that the NSW Deputy Police Commissioner wouldn't disclose does confuse me. She wouldn't disclose whether the hostages were released or escaped on their own. I just don't see how this sort of information is a public safety issue?

On December 15 2014 19:27 LilClinkin wrote:


I understand why certain info would need to be kept undisclosed. However, a particular piece of info that the NSW Deputy Police Commissioner wouldn't disclose does confuse me. She wouldn't disclose whether the hostages were released or escaped on their own. I just don't see how this sort of information is a public safety issue?

On December 15 2014 19:30 GreenHorizons wrote:



Yeah kinda weird to watch from an American perspective. Of course I'm just watching one channel so I don't know what the more slanted news stations are like (I just presume Australia has Fox News/MSNBC type stations (kinda feel like I'm watching CNN [I actually am on another screen])

They seem to be doing a good job showing that it is being condemned by Muslims in their community and around the world. I hope no one gets hurt as a result of this inside the shop or the Muslims in the community.

On December 15 2014 19:34 Plexa wrote:

It's difficult to tell because we dont know the negotiating methods employed. From what I can guess from what's been released, some of the hostages escaped (reports of the gunman being visibly annoyed when they escaped) while others appear to have been released (as one of them had to go to hospital for a preexisting condition) which suggests there was some negotiation involved with that. I would guess that this information would be made available after the siege, since if people learned that police were giving into concessions in exchange for hostages that might provoke the public to either (a) condemn for giving into terrorism, (b) plead with police to give into further demands. Neither of those are particularly good things to have while the siege is ongoing.

On December 15 2014 19:21 Plexa wrote:
Yes, because there is a giant muslim convention where they all get together and can monitor everyone who calls themselves a muslim.
*rolls eyes*

On December 15 2014 19:48 Pandemona wrote:
Oh i see, so it is just out of the major cities there might be a racial problem. Probably like most countries.

On December 15 2014 19:54 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah ok thats good, it is not as bad as i thought i read/heard.

On December 15 2014 20:04 SoSexy wrote:
Italian news report that 4 armed men are holding a hostage in Belgium :O

Local prosecutors said there was no indication of any link to terrorism or jihadist group Islamic State.

"This isn't the same sort of incident as the events in Sydney," spokeswoman Annemie Serlippens said.

Ghent resident Ruben Denys, who was within the police cordon, told the BBC: "There are police officers around the building, at the back and on people's terraces. A truck has arrived with ladders. They have guns."

Belgian TV said that another siege had taken place in Ghent in October, involving a man implicated in an earlier hostage-taking. That incident involved an unpaid debt, it reported.

On December 15 2014 20:04 SoSexy wrote:
Italian news report that 4 armed men are holding a hostage in Belgium :O

On December 15 2014 20:12 SixStrings wrote:
Stop implying that he is a nut job, he's just being a good Muslim.

You can't act like a liberal, tolerant person and then condemn the action of someone who just adheres to the religion you defend. It's literally in the job description to use subversion and violence against infidels, women and gays, so you're being really unfair here.

On December 15 2014 22:05 SoSexy wrote:
Are the bombs confirmed? Because otherwise if there are 50 people vs 1 man, even if he has a full mag they could overwhelm him. Of course it is not that simple, because noone wants to be the one who gets shot :S

On December 15 2014 21:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
CNN Reporting that the "Hostages escaped" they didn't specify which or how many.

They also reported that "the gunman was agitated" afterwords.

On December 15 2014 21:56 GTR wrote:
Video of Hostage Demands (1)

not sure where it came from

On December 15 2014 22:48 showstealer1829 wrote:


Did they confirm the two females escaped? I know the first 3 did

On December 15 2014 23:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Watching ABC news right now i'm seeing interviews with your average muslims condemning this. I have never really seen that in England.

On December 15 2014 23:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
This guy is seeming less and less like some radical terrorist and more and more like some random tweaked out vagrant type.

I was skeptical of a bomb from the get go, but at this point I don't even think he has a real gun. Who keeps their gun in their backpack and opens it to 'scare away' people... The guy couldn't get the right flag I sincerely doubt he got a real functioning gun (might be a single shot/double barrel shotgun, that would be class A right Aussies?)

This seems like a pretty easygoing situation as far as hostage negotiations go but it's disconcerting to see the media fumble over what to release and what not to release. I imagine the arguments raging between the marketing people and the news people.

Marketing:"Everyone wants to know his name. We could be the ones to tell millions of people first!"...

News:You sick F***! He wants the fame and you want to give it to him so you can sell a fu**ing banner AD!?!..."

Marketing:No you prehistoric pencil pusher! I want to make sure we blah blah The Newsroom"

News: Just because I don't tweet pictures of my dumps doesn't mean I don't know quality news. What good is a news outlet if all we do is appeal to the lowest common denominator

Marketing: Too late, those jerks at _____ beat us to it.

News: Well we might as well report it too now...

News: **turns to an intern** WTF is a banner ad anyway?!?"

On December 15 2014 23:13 ahswtini wrote:
sounds more and more like the actions of a lone nutjob taken without much preparation or thought, with a sprinkling of islamism to draw more attention to himself.

On December 15 2014 23:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
This guy is seeming less and less like some radical terrorist and more and more like some random tweaked out vagrant type.

I was skeptical of a bomb from the get go, but at this point I don't even think he has a real gun. Who keeps their gun in their backpack and opens it to 'scare away' people... The guy couldn't get the right flag I sincerely doubt he got a real functioning gun (might be a single shot/double barrel shotgun, that would be class A right Aussies?)

This seems like a pretty easygoing situation as far as hostage negotiations go but it's disconcerting to see the media fumble over what to release and what not to release. I imagine the arguments raging between the marketing people and the news people.

Marketing:"Everyone wants to know his name. We could be the ones to tell millions of people first!"...

News:You sick F***! He wants the fame and you want to give it to him so you can sell a fu**ing banner AD!?!..."

Marketing:No you prehistoric pencil pusher! I want to make sure we blah blah The Newsroom"

News: Just because I don't tweet pictures of my dumps doesn't mean I don't know quality news. What good is a news outlet if all we do is appeal to the lowest common denominator

Marketing: Too late, those jerks at _____ beat us to it.

News: Well we might as well report it too now...

News: **turns to an intern** WTF is a banner ad anyway?!?"

On December 16 2014 00:12 GreenAndOrangeTurtle wrote:


The news outlets appear to have been really good. They have been contacted by hostages with a list of demands that they have published. They know the names of several of the hostages but have not published them. They have also only released the name of the gunman after the police have given them the go ahead.

By the sound of it, they know a fair bit more than is being said but are playing it by the book.

On December 16 2014 00:16 GreenHorizons wrote:


Oh I guess I wasn't clear I wasn't talking about Australian media (I am only seeing one channel and have no idea which online sites are reputable). I was talking about media outside of Australia. CNN had a guest 'accidentally' revealed the name about a half hour before they officially reported it.

This is just about over.

On December 16 2014 00:12 GreenAndOrangeTurtle wrote:


The news outlets appear to have been really good. They have been contacted by hostages with a list of demands that they have published. They know the names of several of the hostages but have not published them. They have also only released the name of the gunman after the police have given them the go ahead.

By the sound of it, they know a fair bit more than is being said but are playing it by the book.

On December 16 2014 00:24 foxmeep wrote:
It sounds like the gunman fired some rounds then the police reached him and blew him away.

On December 16 2014 00:28 GreenHorizons wrote:


If what looked like gunfire to me actually was, they must of shot a loooot of rounds. Don't think it could of been less than 50 in at least 2 separate bursts.

On December 16 2014 00:32 foxmeep wrote:


I think all those flashes are from the grenades actually. Sounds like they only shot a few rounds on initial entry.

On December 16 2014 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:


That would be a crap ton of flash bangs? I could be wrong though.

On December 16 2014 00:44 foxmeep wrote:


They're not your traditional single flash type. They have multiple smaller rounds.

http://www.vastacademy.com.au/vast-special-products/5-vast-special-products/product-categories/108-distraction-devicesstun-grenades

On December 16 2014 00:51 LaNague wrote:
5 lost hostages is a terrible conclusion, i hope they had a good reason to storm like that

On December 16 2014 00:51 LaNague wrote:
5 lost hostages is a terrible conclusion, i hope they had a good reason to storm like that

On December 16 2014 01:11 foxmeep wrote:
I wonder where CNN got their info from, none of Australia's media seems to know any details yet.

On December 16 2014 01:11 Plexa wrote:

There was some mention of CPR being used on abc just now.

On December 16 2014 01:11 foxmeep wrote:
I wonder where CNN got their info from, none of Australia's media seems to know any details yet.