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On June 18 2017 17:41 SoupeAuLait wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 16:51 Furikawari wrote:
So thanks to this "vote against" we have the worst elected president ever that is going to burn a lot of what we gained wince WWII. Topping Hollande on that one is going to be tough. We also have a buffoon across the pond to remind us what "worst ever" truly means.
I didnt say worst president. I said worst elected. Most disputed first turn despite fair share of Macron propaganda (talking about newspaper here, I watch TV once a year so I heve no opinion for TV) and a right guy that looked really bad, and the second turn was not a Chirac-LePen.
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On June 18 2017 17:46 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 16:51 Furikawari wrote:On June 18 2017 16:24 nojok wrote:On June 18 2017 10:22 RvB wrote:
I'm going to disagree. Macron getting an 80% majority is ridiculous. Dwf and other French voters not voting is perfectly justified when the system doesn't provide you anything to vote for. Even with PR I'm struggling to choose a party worth voting. Everyone should be able to.vote on thw person they want and not be forced to vote on the least worst candidate. I vote for some ideas in the first round of every election and against someone in the second round. It's just how it is, it's democracy. We have a ridiculous system to elect our assembly, yes. It's also somewhat decent. I'd like to remind that it's the French people who elected the politicians who established this system. I blame the voters way more than the system in this case. Voting "against" is what has sold Macron to a lot of people from the first round. I heard on France 2 that 25% of his first round voters did it by conviction, the remaining being split between "no alternative" (probably some PS voters that didnt want Hamon, or thought voting Hamon was a loss - my woman foir example) and "no FN". So thanks to this "vote against" we have the worst elected president ever that is going to burn a lot of what we gained wince WWII. Lol. You had Sarkosconi, lame duck Hollande and even Chirac was completely shit. But Macron is going to destroy the country... stop drinking the Infowars coolaid.
And? Sarko had a big mouth but hardly did anything hurtful. And Macron was in charge of Hollande's economy policy for 5 years (as special counsellor and minister after that, yes, that's what he was), so if Hollande was a "lame duck" I guess Mr Macron as his fair share of responsability? And we already know what they are planning for new labour laws (with some funny shit regarding leaks that could belong to Trump's team). And I didnt say destroy the country, maybe you should learn to read before adopting the usual condescending tone.
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Hoping today for:
1) At least 15 députés for the radical left.
2) Mélenchon elected.
3) Le Pen losing—very unlikely, but who knows...
4) Valls the Oathbreaker getting stomped.
Edit—Participation rate at 12:00 is 17,75% (down from 19,24% in the first round). It was 21,41% in 2012 for a final abstention of 44,6%.
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On June 18 2017 16:51 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 16:24 nojok wrote:On June 18 2017 10:22 RvB wrote:
I'm going to disagree. Macron getting an 80% majority is ridiculous. Dwf and other French voters not voting is perfectly justified when the system doesn't provide you anything to vote for. Even with PR I'm struggling to choose a party worth voting. Everyone should be able to.vote on thw person they want and not be forced to vote on the least worst candidate. I vote for some ideas in the first round of every election and against someone in the second round. It's just how it is, it's democracy. We have a ridiculous system to elect our assembly, yes. It's also somewhat decent. I'd like to remind that it's the French people who elected the politicians who established this system. I blame the voters way more than the system in this case. Voting "against" is what has sold Macron to a lot of people from the first round. I heard on France 2 that 25% of his first round voters did it by conviction, the remaining being split between "no alternative" (probably some PS voters that didnt want Hamon, or thought voting Hamon was a loss - my woman foir example) and "no FN". So thanks to this "vote against" we have the worst elected president ever that is going to burn a lot of what we gained wince WWII.
What are you saying? I should have voted Le Pen during the presidential or Les Républicains today? Sorry I can't stand them and Le Pen scares me to an even higher degree.
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On June 18 2017 10:22 RvB wrote:
I'm going to disagree. Macron getting an 80% majority is ridiculous. Dwf and other French voters not voting is perfectly justified when the system doesn't provide you anything to vote for. Even with PR I'm struggling to choose a party worth voting. Everyone should be able to.vote on thw person they want and not be forced to vote on the least worst candidate.
I did vote in the first round. 
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Aren't there plenty of parties in France to vote for? If even then one abstains then that is a tacit vote for the expected winner.
62 confirmed deaths in a wildfire 120km North of Lisbon yesterday. Rumors that deaths can go above 100... This kind of tragedy is unheard of in my lifetime even though wildfires happen every summer.
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35,33% participation rate at 17:00, down from 40,75% the last week. Final abstention could be as high as 57%, a new record. If the same trend happened in the popular districts, the radical left is toast. 
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Don't forget that in a lot of districts people have the choice between LREM/FN or LREM/LR (mine is LREM/FN). In those cases participation rate should be exceptionnally low (I won't vote today unlike 3 previous ones, 2nd turn presidential I voted white, I won't today).
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Voters might have saved the day after all:
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Edit—Macron has the absolute majority alone.
Blargh, Le Pen is elected...
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so Macron gets about 61% of the votes? Constitutional changes in France need a 3/5 majority right? So he essentially has as much power as he's going to get even though he fell somewhat below the predictions?
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On June 19 2017 04:35 Nyxisto wrote:
so Macron gets about 61% of the votes? Constitutional changes in France need a 3/5 majority right? So he essentially has as much power as he's going to get even though he fell somewhat below the predictions?
Yes. He will need the Senate too, but the right probably won't try to block. Worst case scenario he can call for a referendum, he'll get an easy win on what he plans to do.
Mélenchon is elected.
Too closed yet to call for Valls... Karma, karma, PLEASE!
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Just read this in Austrian media: Macron has demanded from his MPs a written declaration that they will always support and vote for what the government suggests.
Is this true and did they all actually sign such a declaration?
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^That is insane if true o.0
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On June 19 2017 18:54 Big J wrote:
Just read this in Austrian media: Macron has demanded from his MPs a written declaration that they will always support and vote for what the government suggests.
Is this true and did they all actually sign such a declaration?
Yes, roughly... Though it's vague and has no legal value (imperative mandates are forbidden by the Constitution).
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Why make them sign such a thing in the first place?
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On June 19 2017 20:02 Ghostcom wrote:
Why make them sign such a thing in the first place?
To be sure of their docility, of course. Macron was traumatized by the frondeurs, a small group of social-democrats who timidly rebelled against Hollande's right-wing policies and voted against some of his texts after 2014. He doesn't want the same thing to happen to his group, though the odds are much smaller anyway.
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On June 19 2017 04:46 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 04:35 Nyxisto wrote:
so Macron gets about 61% of the votes? Constitutional changes in France need a 3/5 majority right? So he essentially has as much power as he's going to get even though he fell somewhat below the predictions? Yes. He will need the Senate too, but the right probably won't try to block. Worst case scenario he can call for a referendum, he'll get an easy win on what he plans to do. Mélenchon is elected. Too closed yet to call for Valls... Karma, karma, PLEASE!
Do Constitutional changes also require a referendum? In NL you need a supermajority in parliament, then a referendum and then you get anothet election and parliament has to pass the change with a simply majority.
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Thanks for he answer, by the way!
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On June 19 2017 21:48 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 04:46 TheDwf wrote:On June 19 2017 04:35 Nyxisto wrote:
so Macron gets about 61% of the votes? Constitutional changes in France need a 3/5 majority right? So he essentially has as much power as he's going to get even though he fell somewhat below the predictions? Yes. He will need the Senate too, but the right probably won't try to block. Worst case scenario he can call for a referendum, he'll get an easy win on what he plans to do. Mélenchon is elected. Too closed yet to call for Valls... Karma, karma, PLEASE! Do Constitutional changes also require a referendum? In NL you need a supermajority in parliament, then a referendum and then you get anothet election and parliament has to pass the change with a simply majority.
The referendum isn't required. You just need it approved in two subsequent parliaments (the first with a super majority). The parliamentary election in the middle functions as a de facto referendum, though.
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On June 19 2017 21:48 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 04:46 TheDwf wrote:On June 19 2017 04:35 Nyxisto wrote:
so Macron gets about 61% of the votes? Constitutional changes in France need a 3/5 majority right? So he essentially has as much power as he's going to get even though he fell somewhat below the predictions? Yes. He will need the Senate too, but the right probably won't try to block. Worst case scenario he can call for a referendum, he'll get an easy win on what he plans to do. Mélenchon is elected. Too closed yet to call for Valls... Karma, karma, PLEASE! Do Constitutional changes also require a referendum? In NL you need a supermajority in parliament, then a referendum and then you get anothet election and parliament has to pass the change with a simply majority.
Nope, 60% of the Congress is enough. This is how the No to the 2005 TCE was bypassed... Out of the 24 Constitutional amendments under the Vth, only 1 was done by referendum (shortening of the presidential mandate, from 7 to 5 years).
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