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Simberto
Germany11548 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21772 Posts
On June 15 2017 22:24 bardtown wrote: In order to avoid German nationalism let's all willingly submit to German leadership. Better to give in without a fight. I love this fascination with "Germany taking over Europe" just because they were the last ones to try. Doesn't matter that France has done it, or that Spain has done it. No, what matters is that Germany tried. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On June 15 2017 22:31 Gorsameth wrote: I love this fascination with "Germany taking over Europe" just because they were the last ones to try. Doesn't matter that France has done it, or that Spain has done it. No, what matters is that Germany tried. Fairly sure he's talking about the actual dominance within the EU? | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On June 15 2017 22:31 Gorsameth wrote: I love this fascination with "Germany taking over Europe" just because they were the last ones to try. Doesn't matter that France has done it, or that Spain has done it. No, what matters is that Germany tried. Uh, yeah, but the fact that they tried most recently is relevant, especially when they are clearly the dominant force on the continent. It's not like people liked French expansionism either, it's just that France isn't an economic powerhouse, and being an economic powerhouse is the primary method of exerting influence in the 21st century. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 15 2017 22:25 TheDwf wrote: Fighting over economic markets is exactly what the EU is about Yeah, but now you don’t shoot anyone or destroy cities when you do it. Y’all got on the same page and decided to scrap about economics without the industrial war machine. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On June 15 2017 22:19 Acrofales wrote: No. Clearly the right solution is to end all European collaboration, because 19th century style nationalism is the way forward. That's a strawman and you know it. You're very quickly starting to show that you aren't worth taking seriously. | ||
Poopi
France12890 Posts
On June 15 2017 22:31 Gorsameth wrote: I love this fascination with "Germany taking over Europe" just because they were the last ones to try. Doesn't matter that France has done it, or that Spain has done it. No, what matters is that Germany tried. Since they tried and failed maybe this gives them more incentive to try again and succeed tho :p, whereas countries that did it successfully aren't hungry for it anymore | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 16 2017 01:22 Furikawari wrote: Thanks to Napoleon we know that there is nothing interesting beyond our borders :D Nothing that can't be imported, that is for sure. It is nice that France got that out of their system before the industrial revolution. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On June 15 2017 05:09 LegalLord wrote: Were I responsible for dealing with terrorism of the European variety, I'd focus on two main issues. The first would be how freely the perpetrators of large scale terrorist attacks move through the continent, a problem of security arrangements or lack thereof. The second is a cultural issue, in how European nations seem to be quite ineffective at integrating their immigrants in such a way that they would be disinclined towards terrorism. Both have some roots in the general attitude of "Europeans" towards society and are not particularly easy to resolve. For the same reason that the refugee crisis caused a schism within the EU, so would any attempt to resolve this problem. + Show Spoiler + And so that's why the European Union must be destroyed  .You have shown that you aren't worth taking seriously. Your bland repetition of "as actual British person" and "And so that's why the European Union must be destroyed" is getting very wearisome. It's worrying that you are oblivious that parodying the same stupid things your have written originally yourself ad nauseam isn't humorous, or that you are oblivious that those are the rhetoric you have written previously, which were denounced as being absurd. Then you cry and wonder why you aren't taken seriously in this thread. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCbSN8JUIAMYDmg.jpg) Il marche sur l'eau = he walks on the water Internationalization of the personality cult... | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On June 16 2017 18:52 TheDwf wrote: + Show Spoiler + Il marche sur l'eau = he walks on the water Internationalization of the personality cult... I remember watching a clip on France24 just before his meeting with Putin, and it was just 20 minutes of the reporter sucking Macron cock. "He is strong, he is in a good position, he is no pushover" and so on. It was astonishing. It is a little eerie the way he is presented in the media. It reminded me of the Putin worship you can find in the commentary sections of videos featuring the Russian president. Just a complete lack of any critical thinking. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
Romania faced a mounting political crisis on Thursday after the ruling Social Democrat Party, PSD, moved to sack its own six-month-old government - only for Prime Minister Sorin Grindeanu to refuse to give way. orThe Prime Minister instead accused his party leader, Liviu Dragnea, of trying to keep a tight grip over the party and the government. The PSD sought the resignation of the entire cabinet after a heated meeting on Wednesday when the party leadership evaluated the current government as unsatisfactory. All the ministers in the cabinet then submitted their resignations and the PSD leadership voted to withdraw backing for Grindeanu.. The Romanian Prime Minister Sorin Grindeanu's refusal to resign, although pressured by his own Social Democratic Party, the main force in the ruling coalition in Romania, has created a bizarre first on the Romanian political scene after the 1989 anti-communist revolution. On Thursday, the National Executive Council of the Social Democratic Party decided to file a motion of no-confidence against its own Cabinet, formed after winning December's parliamentary elections with 45% of the votes. things started to precipitate after both Dragnea(gov. party leader) and Iohannis(current president) went to US(Iohannis meet with Trump and the CIA head(Merkel and Macron are next), and Dragnea with Trump+Trump's pro Russia people)Moreover, and quite predictably, the Executive Council decided to punish him through exclusion, after the coalition made up of the Social Democratic Party (PSD) and the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats in Romania (ALDE) had withdrawn its political support for the premier. The leaders of the coalition, the Social Democrat Liviu Dragnea, who is also the Speaker of the Chamber of Deputies and the Liberal - Democrat Senate Speaker Calin Popescu Tariceanu have stated that the decision was necessary, given that the government has not been able to fulfill most of the objectives included in the governing programme. . - as per press statements: Dragnea is calling Grindeanu a tool(not Dragnea's tool anymore i guess; there's some speculation from political analysts that after the latest US visit of Iohannis, CIA gave him leverage on Grindeanu(it's pretty tinfoily even for me)) and Grindeanu puts this on Dragnea's gov. critique related to " ... did not develop(enough) (economic)relations with the Russian Federation"(i don't know what that was suppose to mean practically); - there's a censure motion filed against the PM+gov.(it's expected to pass); - Grindeanu wants to fire the current secretary general of the Gov. and filed an executive order to do so; to become active, the order needs to be published in "Monitorul Oficial" and the only way it gets there, is if its signed by, well you guessed it, the current gov. secretary general(that's as funny as going full circle gets; Grindeanu wants Ponta(ex-prime minister, PSD member, far-eastern bent(China) as state secretary; - there are some dissenting voices in PSD but i don't think they'll amount to much; - if Dragnea gets his way there might be protests again; Edit: some Sputnik articles speculate on the name of our next prime minister - Ana Birchall, ex-minister of European Affairs in Grindeanu Gov.(current interim leader of Ministry of Justice) but i don't know ... | ||
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Sent.
Poland9211 Posts
I noticed that you and, to a lesser degree, opisska (when mentioning Chinese investments), tend do describe political events in your countries as conflicts between pro American/European/Chinese/Russian factions. Obviously, these powers have some influence on your countries, but I think you're making them look too influential. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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Broetchenholer
Germany1944 Posts
On June 15 2017 22:36 bardtown wrote: Uh, yeah, but the fact that they tried most recently is relevant, especially when they are clearly the dominant force on the continent. It's not like people liked French expansionism either, it's just that France isn't an economic powerhouse, and being an economic powerhouse is the primary method of exerting influence in the 21st century. Uhm, which German nationalism? If anything we are assholes about how we don't have that as a driving factor of our policies. I most certainly am. Because i am way superior to french or american people that feel proud of being born in a specific country. Morons. Terrorism is not big enough a thread to change the way society works for it. It would be nice if our investigative organisations could work as efficiently as possible without infringing on the freedom of the citizens but apart from that we should simply not react at all to anyone blowing up in our mids. I mean, trying to solve the underlying problems like poverty and wars should of course still happen. And i have zero ideas what this should have to do with the EU. There is currently no anti-EU terrorism i know of, so what would having less EU even do? | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On June 16 2017 22:48 Sent. wrote: Are you sure you're not overplaying the foreign influence in your national politics? Maybe it's a normal domestic political crisis and not a power struggle between CIA, Russia and Chyna? I noticed that you and, to a lesser degree, opisska (when mentioning Chinese investments), tend do describe political events in your countries as conflicts between pro American/European/Chinese/Russian factions. Obviously, these powers have some influence on your countries, but I think you're making them look too influential. Nah man, clearly the Russians are responsible for this, for Trump winning, for Le Pen's popularity, for Brexit, for the Qatar crisis... I'm sure they shot down that Polish plane too, quite deliberately. You're just succumbing to the Russian propaganda that says they don't have a finger in the pie everywhere. Don't be blind, blame Putin! You can never overplay Russian interference in domestic or international politics. The media would never play into that and influence people's perception to the point where they think the Russians are behind everything. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 16 2017 22:48 Sent. wrote: Are you sure you're not overplaying the foreign influence in your national politics? Maybe it's a normal domestic political crisis and not a power struggle between CIA, Russia and Chyna? I noticed that you and, to a lesser degree, opisska (when mentioning Chinese investments), tend do describe political events in your countries as conflicts between pro American/European/Chinese/Russian factions. Obviously, these powers have some influence on your countries, but I think you're making them look too influential. It is more akin to the US and our attempts to mess around with other nations elections in the past. It isn’t about who wins, but discrediting the process itself. The political divisions are created by the country and its people. Putin’s government just want to throw more fuel on that fire, make the divisions deeper. Make people distrust the election process. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
France launched a technology visa on Thursday which aims to attract international talent, with newly-elected President Emmanuel Macron talking about the need to strip out regulation to become a "Country of unicorns". Speaking at the Viva Tech conference in Paris, France, Macron outlined how his government would slash complex regulation, make it easier for foreign talent to work, and support start-ups with money, in order to create world-leading companies. The visa is open to start-up founders, employees and investors and is a fast-track procedure to obtain a residence permit in France known as the "Talent Passport". "The bet of the future for us is to carry on educating our talents, taking our students to the highest levels of academic success. We must defend our educational model, we must help our students go further," Macron said, adding that if they end up going to another country, "They must come back, because here is where the future lies." Another proposal put forward by Macron was a European Venture Fund that can support start-ups as they grow. Macron made a strong rallying cry to the entrepreneurs in France and received a standing ovation from the audience. "Entrepreneur is the new France." neat. Also RIP Helmut Kohl | ||
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