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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 19 2017 22:31 Ghostcom wrote: The more I learn about French politics, the more confused I get. Thanks for the answers. I feel the same way when it comes to UK politics. I saw reports talking about “shadow cabinet/counsels”, which I assumed would be some conspiracy theory bullshit with a name like that. But nope, its real and everyone seems to think its normal. Even though it sounds like it is right out of a bad video game political thriller. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6294 Posts
On June 19 2017 22:10 Acrofales wrote: The referendum isn't required. You just need it approved in two subsequent parliaments (the first with a super majority). The parliamentary election in the middle functions as a de facto referendum, though. You're right. Nor sure why I thought a referendum is required. It has to pass with a 2/3 majority after the election (so the 2nd vote). https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/grondwet-en-statuut/inhoud/herziening-grondwet I don't know of an equivalent to the shadow cabinet anywhere in else. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On June 19 2017 22:31 Ghostcom wrote: The more I learn about French politics, the more confused I get. Thanks for the answers. Keep in mind, too, that Macron isn't backed by any real political party other than his very recent and badly defined "movement". Thus, what he wants to avoid is (1) to have the guys formerly at the PS or LR, who got elected under the LREM tag, revert back to the PS/LR if his presidency goes bad and his policies start being contested Hollande-style and (2) to have all his rookie MPs doing stupid things and looking messy like Grillo's movement during its beginnings. This signed declaration is interesting in the sense that since the LREM Parliamentary group will surely be full of raw opportunists who smelled that being branded LREM meant a free win (we have example of candidate MPs for Macron who held highly racist or homophobic statements, etc), there's no guarantee that they won't keep exercising their opportunistic skills when Macron will be at the other end of the success scale. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8145 Posts
On June 19 2017 19:31 TheDwf wrote: Yes, roughly... Though it's vague and has no legal value (imperative mandates are forbidden by the Constitution). Do you have a source though, couldn't find this info anywhere. Edit: thought it was the ministers, misread. That's really weird; the parliament is really not supposed to be obeying blindly the executive branch... | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 19 2017 23:08 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The shadow cabinet is simply the mock cabinet that would had been formed had the opposition won the election instead of lost. If the party to which the shadow cabinet is connected to win the next election, they would be "rotated" in to the real cabinet. Traditionally they score political points whenever their actual counterpart in power say something. They hold no real power except to criticize, except to show themselves to the British public the alternative if they have won. It is "shadow" as in attached to the body and are just as visible as the cabinet, not shadow as in hiding in the dark. There's no real counterpart in American politics. The entire thing makes perfect sense. Some presidents have had the “kitchen cabinet”, the term we use to refer to unofficial advisers. I just found it comical that the term in the UK is named something out of bad young adult lit. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On June 19 2017 22:31 Ghostcom wrote: The more I learn about French politics, the more confused I get. Thanks for the answers. Haha, yeah... The French regime is certainly something. On June 19 2017 23:28 Biff The Understudy wrote: Do you have a source though, couldn't find this info anywhere. Edit: thought it was the ministers, misread. That's really weird; the parliament is really not supposed to be obeying blindly the executive branch... Here. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6294 Posts
On June 19 2017 23:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Really? I always thought it was a feature of first past the post democracies and USA was the exception. The more I know... According to wiki there are more. Not all of the countries have fptp though. I never knew... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Cabinet | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
1. A small attack happens, with no or limited casualities. 2. A triumphant minister of Interior leaps onto the scene and roars: See! This is proof that we need the state of emergency to prevent attacks! 3. State of emergency is maintained/prolonged despite having just proven its radical uselessness. (Some guy apparently just failed an attack on gendarmes in Paris.) | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On June 20 2017 02:32 TheDwf wrote: Another day confirming the theorem of securitarian stupidity: 1. A small attack happens, with no or limited casualities. 2. A triumphant minister of Interior leaps onto the scene and roars: See! This is proof that we need the state of emergency to prevent attacks! 3. State of emergency is maintained/prolonged despite having just proven its radical uselessness. (Some guy apparently just failed an attack on gendarmes in Paris.) I think you way understate this (failed) attack. That car was filled with gas bottles, meaning it was quite literally a driving bomb with some major boom - and more importantly you seem to miss the fact that he had multiple firearms in the car, including a kalashnikov(!). That was a small attack because he either was retarded, or the cops reacted brilliantly. That could've been easily 30+ dead with a big car bomb and a full automatic assault rifle. So no, that wasn't a "small attack", it was a "failed attack" that could've potentially killed dozens. More importantly, yet again someone who was on the watchlist. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
Can't say how it was in this pecific case or if something maorly changed recently though. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6294 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9319 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On June 21 2017 01:32 RvB wrote: Guns are easy to get if you really want them. It doesn't have a lot to do with France in particular. I don't know what your definition of easy is but I have no idea how to get an illegal AK and I would be surprised if this wouldn't cost a good deal of money. Also it doesn't really seem to be that easy for terrorists in several other countries where they've largely resorted to knifes or car attacks. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On June 21 2017 01:19 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I am guessing that the Russian invasion of Ukraine may had inadvertedly opened up a weapon smuggling route. Or perhaps the Syrian conflict. I'd say only locally, without touching EU | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6294 Posts
On June 21 2017 02:08 Nyxisto wrote: I don't know what your definition of easy is but I have no idea how to get an illegal AK and I would be surprised if this wouldn't cost a good deal of money. Also it doesn't really seem to be that easy for terrorists in several other countries where they've largely resorted to knifes or car attacks. Easy enough that I'm able to get some if I wanted. In addition there's the deep web which made getting illegal things like this a lot easier. Sure it costs a great deal of cash but that hardly matters when you're suiciding anyway. | ||
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