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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
April 23 2017 16:19 GMT
#15941
It's difficult probably, but it's a necessary step. Uncontrolled immigration from countries which don't share EU principles and democracy is highly undesirable in my opinion. Also, calling economic migrants "refugees" is such a stupid concept that only left wing can come up with it. Sure, Syrians aren't economic migrants, but they're not the only ones that the EU calls refugees. E.g. Afghanistan, Iran, etc.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 16:27:58
April 23 2017 16:24 GMT
#15942
That news about NGO is exploding in Italy. I suppose it will become a big topic in the next days. Let's hope something good comes out of it - the situation is out of control.
Dating thread on TL LUL
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 16:29:58
April 23 2017 16:29 GMT
#15943
On April 24 2017 01:19 Shield wrote:
It's difficult probably, but it's a necessary step. Uncontrolled immigration from countries which don't share EU principles and democracy is highly undesirable in my opinion. Also, calling economic migrants "refugees" is such a stupid concept that only left wing can come up with it. Sure, Syrians aren't economic migrants, but they're not the only ones that the EU calls refugees. E.g. Afghanistan, Iran, etc.

Then pay it for yourself. It's always the same bullshit, when it's something I care for like free education, health care, pensions etc. right-wingers want to liberalize it, when it's something they care for like more law and order bullshit they want to keep it in state hand and increase spending and then tell me it's in my best interest. No it's not. I don't give a fuck about terrorism that causes less casualities than free roaming cows and I don't give a fuck about whether people run into a church or a mosque.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
April 23 2017 16:32 GMT
#15944
On April 24 2017 01:29 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 01:19 Shield wrote:
It's difficult probably, but it's a necessary step. Uncontrolled immigration from countries which don't share EU principles and democracy is highly undesirable in my opinion. Also, calling economic migrants "refugees" is such a stupid concept that only left wing can come up with it. Sure, Syrians aren't economic migrants, but they're not the only ones that the EU calls refugees. E.g. Afghanistan, Iran, etc.

Then pay it for yourself. It's always the same bullshit, when it's something I care for like free education, health care, pensions etc. right-wingers want to liberalize it, when it's something they care for like more law and order bullshit they want to keep it in state hand and increase spending and then tell me it's in my best interest. No it's not. I don't give a fuck about terrorism that causes less casualities than free roaming cows and I don't give a fuck about whether people run into a church or a mosque.

Uh, they actually have some vigilantes doing border patrols in eastern Europe. I think it's safe to say you don't really want more of that.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 23 2017 16:37 GMT
#15945
On April 24 2017 01:32 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 01:29 Big J wrote:
On April 24 2017 01:19 Shield wrote:
It's difficult probably, but it's a necessary step. Uncontrolled immigration from countries which don't share EU principles and democracy is highly undesirable in my opinion. Also, calling economic migrants "refugees" is such a stupid concept that only left wing can come up with it. Sure, Syrians aren't economic migrants, but they're not the only ones that the EU calls refugees. E.g. Afghanistan, Iran, etc.

Then pay it for yourself. It's always the same bullshit, when it's something I care for like free education, health care, pensions etc. right-wingers want to liberalize it, when it's something they care for like more law and order bullshit they want to keep it in state hand and increase spending and then tell me it's in my best interest. No it's not. I don't give a fuck about terrorism that causes less casualities than free roaming cows and I don't give a fuck about whether people run into a church or a mosque.

Uh, they actually have some vigilantes doing border patrols in eastern Europe. I think it's safe to say you don't really want more of that.

I don't live anywhere there, so why should I care or pay. Am I doing this RIGHT, huehuehue?
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 16:42:19
April 23 2017 16:41 GMT
#15946
On April 24 2017 01:29 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 01:19 Shield wrote:
It's difficult probably, but it's a necessary step. Uncontrolled immigration from countries which don't share EU principles and democracy is highly undesirable in my opinion. Also, calling economic migrants "refugees" is such a stupid concept that only left wing can come up with it. Sure, Syrians aren't economic migrants, but they're not the only ones that the EU calls refugees. E.g. Afghanistan, Iran, etc.

Then pay it for yourself. It's always the same bullshit, when it's something I care for like free education, health care, pensions etc. right-wingers want to liberalize it, when it's something they care for like more law and order bullshit they want to keep it in state hand and increase spending and then tell me it's in my best interest. No it's not. I don't give a fuck about terrorism that causes less casualities than free roaming cows and I don't give a fuck about whether people run into a church or a mosque.


If you're working, chances are you're paying for Bulgaria's wall and border control. The EU is giving some funds to my country to help. The reason is migrants are going through Turkey and Turkey is a neighbour of Bulgaria. I'm actually happy to pay for wall as part of my taxes, and because I pay taxes, I'm probably doing so already.

You might not care about terrorism, but I care. Many people do. Stop betraying your country. I know you have a nazi past as a country, but letting refugees en masse won't give you redemption (just in case Germany and Austria do it for that reason).
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
April 23 2017 16:41 GMT
#15947
On April 24 2017 01:37 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 01:32 bardtown wrote:
On April 24 2017 01:29 Big J wrote:
On April 24 2017 01:19 Shield wrote:
It's difficult probably, but it's a necessary step. Uncontrolled immigration from countries which don't share EU principles and democracy is highly undesirable in my opinion. Also, calling economic migrants "refugees" is such a stupid concept that only left wing can come up with it. Sure, Syrians aren't economic migrants, but they're not the only ones that the EU calls refugees. E.g. Afghanistan, Iran, etc.

Then pay it for yourself. It's always the same bullshit, when it's something I care for like free education, health care, pensions etc. right-wingers want to liberalize it, when it's something they care for like more law and order bullshit they want to keep it in state hand and increase spending and then tell me it's in my best interest. No it's not. I don't give a fuck about terrorism that causes less casualities than free roaming cows and I don't give a fuck about whether people run into a church or a mosque.

Uh, they actually have some vigilantes doing border patrols in eastern Europe. I think it's safe to say you don't really want more of that.

I don't live anywhere there, so why should I care or pay. Am I doing this RIGHT, huehuehue?

If you were a nationalist, maybe. But you're not, so the onus is on you to find solutions to problems that arise as a result of your superstate ambitions.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
April 23 2017 16:56 GMT
#15948
70% turnout in France? That's a lot.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
April 23 2017 17:05 GMT
#15949
It's projected to be 80%

Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8187 Posts
April 23 2017 17:05 GMT
#15950
On April 23 2017 22:13 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2017 22:10 OtherWorld wrote:
On April 23 2017 21:58 bardtown wrote:
If their quotas were flawless we could just skip the election altogether.

I don't think that's the point. The point is that polls were pretty accurate about the FN's score at the 2014 European elections, and that they actually overestimated the FN's score at the 2015 élections départementales ("county-level elections", I guess ?). Thus if there's a flaw in their quotas concerning the FN, it's most likely not in favor of not reaching the FN's voters.


Does the FN vote share even matter, I think Le Pen has enough of a lead to get to the final 2 short of a polling disaster, the contest is who gets the 2nd place next to Le Pen in the final round. Fillon, Macron or Melechon?

Macron is ahead of her in the polls..
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8187 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 17:08:13
April 23 2017 17:08 GMT
#15951
On April 24 2017 00:09 LegalLord wrote:
It doesn't exactly surprise me that the communist would be pro-Russia.

A few hours away from results and I still have no idea what to expect. Fantastic.

Mélenchon is not pro Putin. And his position to Moscow, which i don't like, has nothing at all to do with him being communist (he actually isn't communist but nevermind).
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
April 23 2017 17:11 GMT
#15952
Isn't he a Trotskyite...?
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 23 2017 17:14 GMT
#15953
On April 24 2017 00:47 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 00:09 LegalLord wrote:
It doesn't exactly surprise me that the communist would be pro-Russia.

A few hours away from results and I still have no idea what to expect. Fantastic.

If Putin were a communist that would make sense, but Putin is a capitalist strongman. Communism being in power died in the perestroika.


Yeah, Czech communist are still amusingly pro-Russian and anti-EU while the EU is miles ahead in building socialism than current day Russia is. It's just so hard to get the old ideas our of their minds apparently.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
April 23 2017 17:20 GMT
#15954
On April 24 2017 01:32 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 01:29 Big J wrote:
On April 24 2017 01:19 Shield wrote:
It's difficult probably, but it's a necessary step. Uncontrolled immigration from countries which don't share EU principles and democracy is highly undesirable in my opinion. Also, calling economic migrants "refugees" is such a stupid concept that only left wing can come up with it. Sure, Syrians aren't economic migrants, but they're not the only ones that the EU calls refugees. E.g. Afghanistan, Iran, etc.

Then pay it for yourself. It's always the same bullshit, when it's something I care for like free education, health care, pensions etc. right-wingers want to liberalize it, when it's something they care for like more law and order bullshit they want to keep it in state hand and increase spending and then tell me it's in my best interest. No it's not. I don't give a fuck about terrorism that causes less casualities than free roaming cows and I don't give a fuck about whether people run into a church or a mosque.

Uh, they actually have some vigilantes doing border patrols in eastern Europe. I think it's safe to say you don't really want more of that.

Just cause you do it yourself doesn't mean you can bypass law. Same goes for free schools and such.
passive quaranstream fan
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-23 17:22:34
April 23 2017 17:22 GMT
#15955


Seems like there are a lot of different ideas out there, but Macron seems to have won.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 23 2017 17:26 GMT
#15956
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4437156/Leading-candidates-cast-votes-French-election.html

Who said there are no exit polls? But interestingly, I found only the very reputable Daily Mail reporting on them, so ... Says Macron and Le Pen.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
April 23 2017 17:36 GMT
#15957
On April 24 2017 02:26 opisska wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4437156/Leading-candidates-cast-votes-French-election.html

Who said there are no exit polls? But interestingly, I found only the very reputable Daily Mail reporting on them, so ... Says Macron and Le Pen.

the guy who said that said there would be no exit polls from french companies and all exit polls would be from elsewhere, thus less reliable according to him. Idk how true either of that is but that's what he said iirc
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 23 2017 17:37 GMT
#15958
On April 24 2017 01:41 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 01:37 Big J wrote:
On April 24 2017 01:32 bardtown wrote:
On April 24 2017 01:29 Big J wrote:
On April 24 2017 01:19 Shield wrote:
It's difficult probably, but it's a necessary step. Uncontrolled immigration from countries which don't share EU principles and democracy is highly undesirable in my opinion. Also, calling economic migrants "refugees" is such a stupid concept that only left wing can come up with it. Sure, Syrians aren't economic migrants, but they're not the only ones that the EU calls refugees. E.g. Afghanistan, Iran, etc.

Then pay it for yourself. It's always the same bullshit, when it's something I care for like free education, health care, pensions etc. right-wingers want to liberalize it, when it's something they care for like more law and order bullshit they want to keep it in state hand and increase spending and then tell me it's in my best interest. No it's not. I don't give a fuck about terrorism that causes less casualities than free roaming cows and I don't give a fuck about whether people run into a church or a mosque.

Uh, they actually have some vigilantes doing border patrols in eastern Europe. I think it's safe to say you don't really want more of that.

I don't live anywhere there, so why should I care or pay. Am I doing this RIGHT, huehuehue?

If you were a nationalist, maybe. But you're not, so the onus is on you to find solutions to problems that arise as a result of your superstate ambitions.


Newsflash, there are people who don't picture themselves as some form of slave to a metaphysical state or nation-concept.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
April 23 2017 17:48 GMT
#15959
On April 24 2017 02:37 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2017 01:41 bardtown wrote:
On April 24 2017 01:37 Big J wrote:
On April 24 2017 01:32 bardtown wrote:
On April 24 2017 01:29 Big J wrote:
On April 24 2017 01:19 Shield wrote:
It's difficult probably, but it's a necessary step. Uncontrolled immigration from countries which don't share EU principles and democracy is highly undesirable in my opinion. Also, calling economic migrants "refugees" is such a stupid concept that only left wing can come up with it. Sure, Syrians aren't economic migrants, but they're not the only ones that the EU calls refugees. E.g. Afghanistan, Iran, etc.

Then pay it for yourself. It's always the same bullshit, when it's something I care for like free education, health care, pensions etc. right-wingers want to liberalize it, when it's something they care for like more law and order bullshit they want to keep it in state hand and increase spending and then tell me it's in my best interest. No it's not. I don't give a fuck about terrorism that causes less casualities than free roaming cows and I don't give a fuck about whether people run into a church or a mosque.

Uh, they actually have some vigilantes doing border patrols in eastern Europe. I think it's safe to say you don't really want more of that.

I don't live anywhere there, so why should I care or pay. Am I doing this RIGHT, huehuehue?

If you were a nationalist, maybe. But you're not, so the onus is on you to find solutions to problems that arise as a result of your superstate ambitions.


Newsflash, there are people who don't picture themselves as some form of slave to a metaphysical state or nation-concept.

Doesn't that make it a nation of people not picturing themselves as some form of slave to a metaphysical state or nation-concept then?
WriterMaru
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 23 2017 17:48 GMT
#15960
Actual results within the next hour, yes?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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