EPTOn April 23 2017 23:04 bardtown wrote:
Which Russian puppets are you talking about?
Which Russian puppets are you talking about?
Its not hard to draw parallels with Trump when Le Pen is meeting with Putin.
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22466 Posts
Its not hard to draw parallels with Trump when Le Pen is meeting with Putin. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
This might seem like an friendly inclusive approach, but I am pretty sure that the main goal here is to stir shit up - it's one of the most commented article of the day on the site, with mainly anti-immigrant comments or Le Pen supporters. Is this how you get people to "engage" these days? As a bonus point, you may still point towards the article at face value and claim that you aren't a xenophobic echo chamber ... | ||
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warding
Portugal2396 Posts
On April 23 2017 23:45 bardtown wrote: Well I'm waiting to see what emerges, there. It's hard to believe that the POTUS is a puppet of some economically crippled 2% of world GDP country. I mean the Russian administration have money to influence individuals, but do they have enough to influence Trump? Could that kind of money change hands without being picked up? Doesn't seem likely to me. Le Pen is more of a Russophile than Trump. I wouldn't say that makes her a puppet, though. Russia is just one of the countries that someone with her style of politics can look to for support when the rest of Europe will be broadly opposed to her. It seems like a leap to say someone is a puppet when there is a clear sense of mutual benefit. That's exactly the reason why it was so appalling to see Trump cozy up to Putin and Russia when there was zero political benefit to do so. BTW isn't Melenchon all super-Putin too? | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On April 23 2017 23:50 warding wrote: That's exactly the reason why it was so appalling to see Trump cozy up to Putin and Russia when there was zero political benefit to do so. BTW isn't Melenchon all super-Putin too? Yup and Fillon to a smaller extent | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 23 2017 23:45 bardtown wrote: Well I'm waiting to see what emerges, there. It's hard to believe that the POTUS is a puppet of some economically crippled 2% of world GDP country. I mean the Russian administration have money to influence individuals, but do they have enough to influence Trump? Could that kind of money change hands without being picked up? Doesn't seem likely to me. Le Pen is more of a Russophile than Trump. I wouldn't say that makes her a puppet, though. Russia is just one of the countries that someone with her style of politics can look to for support when the rest of Europe will be broadly opposed to her. It seems like a leap to say someone is a puppet when there is a clear sense of mutual benefit. I find this idea that rich people stop caring about money once they get rich to be really weird. I know you didn't straight up say it but that's what "does Russia have the money to influence him" boils down to. I don't think there's money directly flowing from Russia into Trumps pockets but abusing the power he has to increase the worth behind his name? I have not the slightest doubt in my mind that he'd be willing to do that. This is obviously just an assumption from me since I can't speak from experience but I would assume that rich people don't get rich by not caring about money or by passing up on such opportunities. Thus the idea that he suddenly switches gears from businessman who thinks about what's best for his business to someone who doesn't care about money anymore seems very questionable to me. Doesn't mean that everyone is like that and there are a bunch of different people but I don't particularly see a reason why he (or rich people on average) would perform better than most other people in that regard. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 23 2017 23:50 warding wrote: That's exactly the reason why it was so appalling to see Trump cozy up to Putin and Russia when there was zero political benefit to do so. BTW isn't Melenchon all super-Putin too? It's more like Mélenchon is anti-american than pro-Putin, tbh | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
A few hours away from results and I still have no idea what to expect. Fantastic. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
Re our conversation about the migrant crisis yesterday: Italy prosecutor says rescue boats in contact with people smugglers An Italian prosecutor has evidence of phone calls between Libyan people smugglers and aid groups operating rescue boats, he told newspaper La Stampa, amid growing criticism of non-governmental groups saving refugees off the Libyan coast. http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-migrants-italy-ngo-idUKKBN17P0IX?utm_campaign=trueAnthem: Trending Content&utm_content=58fcc9a804d301782b44aa76&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On April 24 2017 00:30 bardtown wrote: Melenchon and Le Pen cleaning house with overseas voters, apparently. Re our conversation about the migrant crisis yesterday: Italy prosecutor says rescue boats in contact with people smugglers An Italian prosecutor has evidence of phone calls between Libyan people smugglers and aid groups operating rescue boats, he told newspaper La Stampa, amid growing criticism of non-governmental groups saving refugees off the Libyan coast. http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-migrants-italy-ngo-idUKKBN17P0IX?utm_campaign=trueAnthem: Trending Content&utm_content=58fcc9a804d301782b44aa76&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter Lucrative job opportunities if NGO individuals can procure kickbacks for easier rescues/'coordinated' rescues. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18368 Posts
On April 24 2017 00:09 LegalLord wrote: It doesn't exactly surprise me that the communist would be pro-Russia. A few hours away from results and I still have no idea what to expect. Fantastic. If Putin were a communist that would make sense, but Putin is a capitalist strongman. Communism being in power died in the perestroika. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 24 2017 00:30 bardtown wrote: Melenchon and Le Pen cleaning house with overseas voters, apparently. Re our conversation about the migrant crisis yesterday: Italy prosecutor says rescue boats in contact with people smugglers An Italian prosecutor has evidence of phone calls between Libyan people smugglers and aid groups operating rescue boats, he told newspaper La Stampa, amid growing criticism of non-governmental groups saving refugees off the Libyan coast. http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-migrants-italy-ngo-idUKKBN17P0IX?utm_campaign=trueAnthem: Trending Content&utm_content=58fcc9a804d301782b44aa76&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter Fucking left-wing communists that want to keep these successful businesses regulated with their shitty passports, as a true right-winger I demand that transporting refugees becomes an open-for-all business. No more smuggeling! | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On April 24 2017 00:57 Big J wrote: Fucking left-wing communists that want to keep these successful businesses regulated with their shitty passports, as a true right-winger I demand that transporting refugees becomes an open-for-all business. No more smuggeling! You're trying to be ironic but you seem to summing up the EU's neoliberal approach quite nicely! | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
 Stupid Merkel. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 24 2017 01:01 bardtown wrote: You're trying to be ironic but you seem to summing up the EU's neoliberal approach quite nicely! Which is why we need a hard turn to the left, away from this idiotic idea that deregulation is the way and towards the idea that the only way to have a free market Europe is a democratic, federal Union instead of a nationalist shitshow of the European Council every other month. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On April 24 2017 01:09 Shield wrote: One of EU's biggest mistakes is to accept refugees and force other EU countries to take them as well. Every German I speak to is unhappy with that. I mention Germans because Merkel has allowed the highest number of refugees than any other country in EU. This seems that you speak to Germans only from a particular social bubble, given Merkel's recent increase of approval rating to 60 percent. | ||
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warding
Portugal2396 Posts
On April 24 2017 01:09 Shield wrote: One of EU's biggest mistakes is to accept refugees and force other EU countries to take them as well. Every German I speak to is unhappy with that. I mention Germans because Merkel has allowed the highest number of refugees than any other country in EU. Stupid Merkel.Yeah, we have to build a giant, beautiful wall and make Libya and Turkey pay for it. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On April 24 2017 01:12 warding wrote: Yeah, we have to build a giant, beautiful wall and make Libya and Turkey pay for it. That's exactly what Bulgaria is building near its border with Turkey and I'm quite happy with that. I know you try to dumb this down to Trump's level, but I don't consider Mexicans to be as controversial as what's coming from the Middle East. Leftists should start to think about their own country first. | ||
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warding
Portugal2396 Posts
On April 24 2017 01:13 Shield wrote: That's exactly what Bulgaria is building near its border with Turkey and I'm quite happy with that. I know you try to dumb this down to Trump's level, but I don't consider Mexicans as controversial as what's coming from the Middle East. Leftists should start to think about their own country first. I know. They're letting in killers, they're letting in rapists. I assume some of them may be good people. Some bad habibis out there. Kidding aside, my comment is more meant to state that stopping people coming in is actually really difficult, not a comment on the desirability or not of letting people in. PS: I'm not a leftist. | ||
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